T Vance
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Negative LEO/IKEA Encounter
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dougwg
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hopnpop wrote:
Thats fine but in the same instance should you and others be giving flack to others FOR jumping onboard?
just playing devils advocate here, please don't give me flack for it
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For the record I believe in "no harm no foul".
Walk around in the store window shopping (50 people) fine. I think it will show them that OMG 50 people had gun in the store and NOTHING happened, it was ok, no one was yelling and running for the door and all the bad things that people say will happen, didn't.
But please, yes, lets not fill karts with goods and then leave a mess for them to clean up.
Remember people, we're trying to make friends and get people on our side.
hopnpop wrote:
Thats fine but in the same instance should you and others be giving flack to others FOR jumping onboard?
just playing devils advocate here, please don't give me flack for it
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For the record I believe in "no harm no foul".
Walk around in the store window shopping (50 people)
fine. I think it will show them that OMG 50 people had gun in the store and NOTHING happened, it was ok, no one was yelling and running for the door and all the bad things that people say will happen, didn't.But please, yes, lets not fill karts with goods and then leave a mess for them to clean up.
Remember people, we're trying to make friends and get people on our side.
Evil Creamsicle
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Forgive the long post but I just read 3 pages and had a few comments:
@Veritas
@T Vance
we should all wear numbered shirts... but there should be a gap... like 1 2 3 5 6... so they'll spend all day looking for 4...
@dougwg
@SpringerXDacp
Forgive the long post but I just read 3 pages and had a few comments:
@Veritas
This is a fantastic point... and I'm gonna go have some fun on Wikipedia in a few minutes
@T Vance
First... we already established this was a joke... so with that in mind:
we should all wear numbered shirts... but there should be a gap... like 1 2 3 5 6... so they'll spend all day looking for 4...
@dougwg
Yeah... then we can all leave them a wonderful smelling Methane Surprise
@SpringerXDacp
On a more serious note... keep in mind that cops do have a 'cybercrimes' division... and while none of us have committed such acts (we hope), they could pretty easily, say, find out what IP address posted on this forum or sent an email... meaning that if they really wanted, they could prove that you sent a complaint letter to IKEA, and thus were informed that they do not allow guns, and thus were trespassing. I don't know if they would want to get that involved in trying to pinch us but they certainly could if they wanted to.
Evil Creamsicle
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA
I'm sure that soon IKEA will notice and remove this from their article, so I've taken the liberty of posting my changes here as well.
Quote:IKEA Widipedia Article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA
I'm sure that soon IKEA will notice and remove this from their article, so I've taken the liberty of posting my changes here as well.
Quote:IKEA Widipedia Article
PDinDetroit
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Evil Creamsicle wrote:
Not saying it cannot be done, just that it is not currently and would require "extra effort" without History being gathered. All of these posts are "in the clear" (IE: no HTTPS/SSL) and someone could be gathering it all prior to ever getting to the Web System (Network Promiscuous Mode anyone???)
Evil Creamsicle wrote:
Jpierce and Mike (moderators) have stated the IP Address Tracking is off at this time. There are probably Web Server or Load Balancer Logs, but those are only kept a short time period (probably 7 days before roll-over).
Not saying it cannot be done, just that it is not currently and would require "extra effort" without History being gathered. All of these posts are "in the clear" (IE: no HTTPS/SSL) and someone could be gathering it all prior to ever getting to the Web System (Network Promiscuous Mode anyone???)
Evil Creamsicle
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PDinDetroit wrote:
really I think the chances they'd do that is like slim to none, maybe 2 percent... just saying that it is 'possible'. Its good to be extra paranoid when it comes to police these days.
PDinDetroit wrote:
They could get it from IKEA from your emails though...
really I think the chances they'd do that is like slim to none, maybe 2 percent... just saying that it is 'possible'. Its good to be extra paranoid when it comes to police these days.
Taurus850CIA
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T Vance wrote:
T Vance wrote:
LOL! Good stuff!
Classic
TheRabbitsHole
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Evil Creamsicle wrote:
Looks accurate to me. What needs to be changed?
Evil Creamsicle wrote:
Looks accurate to me. What needs to be changed?
Evil Creamsicle
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its 12:35 and its been changed back already.
I also got this user message from Wikipedia:
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to IKEA, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. ⊃° style="color: rgb(139, 0, 0);"Hot style="color: rgb(0, 100, 0);"CROCODILE...... (talk) 16:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
its 12:35 and its been changed back already.
I also got this user message from Wikipedia:
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to IKEA, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. ⊃° style="color: rgb(139, 0, 0);"Hot style="color: rgb(0, 100, 0);"CROCODILE...... (talk) 16:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)N6ATF
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hopnpop wrote:
hopnpop wrote:
I don't feel like I was heard. I'm assuming you got boilerplate like the rest of us? That tells me they don't care to read what we say (more than just the gun keywords that get flagged) or respond in kind.
N6ATF
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Evil Creamsicle wrote:
ETA: I did it...
*In 2009, it was discovered that IKEA has a policy of banning firearms for lawful self-defense from its [[U.S.]] stores. Numerous e-mail replies were sent by "IKEA Customer Care" to those complaining about the treatment of a customer lawfully bearing a firearm at the Canton, MI, store. They read: "As a private company on private property, IKEA reserves the right to not allow weapons inside our store." and "At IKEA, we honor the private rights of all its customers and co-workers and at this time IKEA has chosen to provide a weapons free environment."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/31399.html|title=Negative LEO/IKEA Encounter|date=2009-09-12|accessdate=2009-09-24}}</ref> While IKEA's policy is designed to thwart the law-abiding, criminals who do not abide by rules and laws have historically been undeterred by such policies, instead choosing to commit mass murder where they are in effect.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55246|title=The grave danger of 'gun-free zones'|author=van Wyk, Charl|date=2007-04-18|accessdate=2009-09-24}}</ref>
Evil Creamsicle wrote:
I'm no Wikipedia editor, but perhaps it should instead be under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA#Criticismsits 12:35 and its been changed back already.
I also got this user message from Wikipedia:
ETA: I did it...
*In 2009, it was discovered that IKEA has a policy of banning firearms for lawful self-defense from its [[U.S.]] stores. Numerous e-mail replies were sent by "IKEA Customer Care" to those complaining about the treatment of a customer lawfully bearing a firearm at the Canton, MI, store. They read: "As a private company on private property, IKEA reserves the right to not allow weapons inside our store." and "At IKEA, we honor the private rights of all its customers and co-workers and at this time IKEA has chosen to provide a weapons free environment."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/31399.html|title=Negative LEO/IKEA Encounter|date=2009-09-12|accessdate=2009-09-24}}</ref> While IKEA's policy is designed to thwart the law-abiding, criminals who do not abide by rules and laws have historically been undeterred by such policies, instead choosing to commit mass murder where they are in effect.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55246|title=The grave danger of 'gun-free zones'|author=van Wyk, Charl|date=2007-04-18|accessdate=2009-09-24}}</ref>
hopnpop
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dougwg wrote:
You made me re-read my posts and I didn't see where I had given anyone any flack. If it seemed that way, my bad. I thought I only basically said that if this is being really planned, I'm not in. Like I said, I guess I'm not as confrontational.
T - cool, it IS funny to talk about, I just dunno about carrying it out...
dougwg wrote:
hopnpop wrote:Thats fine but in the same instance should you and others be giving flack to others FOR jumping onboard?
just playing devils advocate here, please don't give me flack for it
You made me re-read my posts and I didn't see where I had given anyone any flack. If it seemed that way, my bad. I thought I only basically said that if this is being really planned, I'm not in. Like I said, I guess I'm not as confrontational.
T - cool, it IS funny to talk about, I just dunno about carrying it out...
hopnpop
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Evil Creamsicle wrote:
Evil Creamsicle wrote:
LMFAO I don't care who you are, that there's funny
hopnpop
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N6ATF wrote:
N6ATF wrote:
And that's cool, you do you. I know I wasn't 'heard' either butchocked it up as 'oh friggin well. They suck.' :banghead:
Evil Creamsicle
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N6ATF wrote:
That said, I just went and checked and what you say you posted isn't there... guess it was conveniently edited out.
However if you go revisit the IKEA wiki page with your same IP address it may tell you you have a new 'message', and it might explain what happened.
EDIT: I just went back in and reposted, verbatim, what you had said you added. We'll see how long it stays this time.
N6ATF wrote:
I didn't notice there was a criticisms section.Evil Creamsicle wrote:I'm no Wikipedia editor, but perhaps it should instead be under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA#Criticismsits 12:35 and its been changed back already.
I also got this user message from Wikipedia:
ETA: I did it...
*In 2009, it was discovered that IKEA has a policy of banning firearms for lawful self-defense from its [[U.S.]] stores. Numerous e-mail replies were sent by "IKEA Customer Care" to those complaining about the treatment of a customer lawfully bearing a firearm at the Canton, MI, store. They read: "As a private company on private property, IKEA reserves the right to not allow weapons inside our store." and "At IKEA, we honor the private rights of all its customers and co-workers and at this time IKEA has chosen to provide a weapons free environment."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/31399.html|title=Negative LEO/IKEA Encounter|date=2009-09-12|accessdate=2009-09-24}}</ref> While IKEA's policy is designed to thwart the law-abiding, criminals who do not abide by rules and laws have historically been undeterred by such policies, instead choosing to commit mass murder where they are in effect.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55246|title=The grave danger of 'gun-free zones'|author=van Wyk, Charl|date=2007-04-18|accessdate=2009-09-24}}</ref>
That said, I just went and checked and what you say you posted isn't there... guess it was conveniently edited out.
However if you go revisit the IKEA wiki page with your same IP address it may tell you you have a new 'message', and it might explain what happened.
EDIT: I just went back in and reposted, verbatim, what you had said you added. We'll see how long it stays this time.
N6ATF
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Evil Creamsicle wrote:
I have attached a PDF printout of the page before it is further vandalized by this seemingly corporate PR hack.
Evil Creamsicle wrote:
Apparently Hotcrocodile's job is instant and summary termination without even reading reference sources.N6ATF wrote:I didn't notice there was a criticisms section.Evil Creamsicle wrote:I'm no Wikipedia editor, but perhaps it should instead be under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA#Criticismsits 12:35 and its been changed back already.
I also got this user message from Wikipedia:
ETA: I did it...
*In 2009, it was discovered that IKEA has a policy of banning firearms for lawful self-defense from its [[U.S.]] stores. Numerous e-mail replies were sent by "IKEA Customer Care" to those complaining about the treatment of a customer lawfully bearing a firearm at the Canton, MI, store. They read: "As a private company on private property, IKEA reserves the right to not allow weapons inside our store." and "At IKEA, we honor the private rights of all its customers and co-workers and at this time IKEA has chosen to provide a weapons free environment."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/31399.html|title=Negative LEO/IKEA Encounter|date=2009-09-12|accessdate=2009-09-24}}</ref> While IKEA's policy is designed to thwart the law-abiding, criminals who do not abide by rules and laws have historically been undeterred by such policies, instead choosing to commit mass murder where they are in effect.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55246|title=The grave danger of 'gun-free zones'|author=van Wyk, Charl|date=2007-04-18|accessdate=2009-09-24}}</ref>
That said, I just went and checked and what you say you posted isn't there... guess it was conveniently edited out.
However if you go revisit the IKEA wiki page with your same IP address it may tell you you have a new 'message', and it might explain what happened.
EDIT: I just went back in and reposted, verbatim, what you had said you added. We'll see how long it stays this time.
I have attached a PDF printout of the page before it is further vandalized by this seemingly corporate PR hack.
lechwe
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mikestilly wrote:
mikestilly wrote:
I don't think T was serious and I definitely wasn't. Just making some fun out of it.
eastmeyers
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Evil Creamsicle wrote:
@T Vance
Okay what we really need to do (but wont happen, lol) is get some "Good Cops", you know the ones that don't/no-longer harrase us, like Hazel Park, Oakland County Sherriffs... Anyways get a few of them, and a bunch of us and head up to a corn maze, give the oc'ers a 5 minute head start. See if they can catch us all in two hours, if not they have to donate to our defence fund, and if they win we donate to one of their police funds!
It would be a WIN WIN!!!
:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:monkey:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate
Evil Creamsicle wrote:
@T Vance
Okay what we really need to do (but wont happen, lol) is get some "Good Cops", you know the ones that don't/no-longer harrase us, like Hazel Park, Oakland County Sherriffs... Anyways get a few of them, and a bunch of us and head up to a corn maze, give the oc'ers a 5 minute head start. See if they can catch us all in two hours, if not they have to donate to our defence fund, and if they win we donate to one of their police funds!
It would be a WIN WIN!!!
:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:monkey:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate
SpringerXDacp
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eastmeyers wrote:
eastmeyers wrote:
Ummmm...would this be an unloaded or a loaded competition? :uhoh:
eastmeyers
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SpringerXDacp wrote:
SpringerXDacp wrote:
Not sure if your being serious or sarcastic, but either way, I think we as well as the copers can be professional and not shoot. At all, everyone would know whats going on and everyone a willing participant. So no issues, just fun!