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gollbladder13 wrote:
See but that's just it. Sure, it's none of their business, but you are right it's where an individual draws the line. Something as simple as your name, although your right, is not being trampled on if you voluntarily give it out. It's only violated if you chose not to give it and they force it out of you. That's why you ask the officer "are you asking or demanding".
I find it hard to believe "My name is gollbladder13" can be used against me in court...
Slow down young grasshopper!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE
All other pertinent videos can be found here:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/30752.html
I suggest you watch them.
This I will guarantee, Once you have finished your educational endeavor and you are stopped for whatever reason by the police and it becomes evident to you that the officer is not conducting business according to what you have learned. Your eyes may open a little wider and allow you to see the big picture.
The fact is, many (Not All) officers do not like the idea of a citizen, even a law abiding citizen carrying a fire arm. Whether it is open carry, concealed, legal, illegal, or handed down to you from John Wayne himself.
These officers believe only they should have the right to carry a fire arm. It makes them feel important. It makes that little tin badge they are wearing seem so much bigger. It makes it easier for them to intimidate people. (Their view not mine)
It is all about a power trip and that is all. When I graduated from College and the academy, that was the biggest thought in the minds of most of the young graduates. " I am going to carry a gun." Not only were they thoughts but I actually heard the words come out of some of their mouths.
Being a street cop is no exciting job, Most of the day you just ride or ride around in a cruiser pulling radar. They make their own excitement and that usually means pulling a stunt like the officers did to Frank. Did the officer's round up the dead raccoons that were laying behind the house where the incident took place? Did the officer's do any investigating at the scene at all? No, No.
In fact it is standard procedure that the first officer on scene will be in control of the investigation. Therefore, they had already talked to Frank and walked away. It wasn't until a third officer (who obviously didn't like the fact that Frank was OCing) came up to Frank and used obscene and unprofessional language, that Frank chose to exercise his 5th Amendment Rights.
Take notes my friend, this is a situation you could easily find yourself in, whether you are a police officer responding to a call or a law abiding citizen simply exercising your right to carry. These officers are not the only officers that behave the way they do.
You could be next, even if you are nice enough to give your name.
If you want to do something exciting, be a crime scene investigator, a coroner's investigator, a public defender's investigator. I guarantee you will investigate more homicides then any street cop will ever see in their entire career and the chance of you stomping on anyone's rights will be far less as well.
Look at the whole picture and where your happiness lies before you decide.