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The Open Carry Report

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Its all about saturation, those in your sphere of influence will become accustomed to your carry (or protest) habits.. is why noone pay any attention to me anymore.. Im feeling neglected.. sigh..

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Well the guard and I talk often and I get the impression that he'dwelcom law abiding students with CHL's being welcomedto carry so that there is someone to back him up a little if there ever is an active shooter or some such.
 

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We-the-People wrote:
Well the guard and I talk often and I get the impression that he'dwelcom law abiding students with CHL's being welcomedto carry so that there is someone to back him up a little if there ever is an active shooter or some such.
Its not often enough we get to post good relations with either private parties or leo / security. There are plenty of folks who don't mind or even endorse self defense by either cc or oc.
I hear a lot of people calling us bashers and anti leo but they don't realize just how much respect most of us have for someone who does the job right and is honorable. We try to educate the ones who do not know better and spotlight those who don't care or blatantly violate our rights.
Any agency that reads (without cherry picking) a decent cross section of this site or CG or any of a number of threads will see that we constantly strive to know the law and yes actively change the laws that are unconstitutional.
I have had predominantly positive responses the entire last 1.5 yrs I have been actively carrying and try to give kudos where they are due.

Darn soapbox, goin for coffee now..

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Standing in Dairy Queen waiting for my pecan buster parfait, an older gentleman had his to go order and started to leave, then came back over question in his eyes.. I am prepared to answer either way his opinion went..

He says, "I have a pistol, can I carry it like that without a permit?"

:D "Why of course sir." and here I explain the basics and point him to OCDO and state statutes to learn more. Ya gotta love that pocket full of flyers..

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Ahhh.. we have a winner.. on Saturday I was at a Quarter Horse show at the Oregon Horse Center out of Eugene where I have been OCing for over a year, one of the people that works there and has to have seen me carrying.. (I have walked by him countless times in the last year).. came up to me (nose to nose) and demanded that I leave immediately in an aggressive and rather scared manner..

I started to ask him a couple of questions when he interrupted with, "I don't care if you have a permit or anything, you have to get it out of here cuz you are panicking people! You can't do that, its against the rules here!"

I had seen no panic, no overt notice or any reaction at all, but we have a lot of out of state people here for the show so who knows if someone complained. I locked my pistol in my vehicle and came back in for the show.. I plan on having a discussion with the management in the near future.. it is private property so they are able to restrict carry, but I want the gentleman to know I will not be screamed at like that.

I told my friends there that I guess a cowboy at a horse show in the western U.S. is not allowed to have a gun on him.. which is a bummer, it completes my outfit.. :)
 

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Just googled their site and interestingly, they have a picture on their main page (the slide show part) with a guy on horseback apparently shooting a firearm (you can't see a gun because of the huge muzzle flash). There's also another picture where a guy is wearing what sure looks like a big scary knife!

Interestingly, I was told by one of the managers at the local storegas and convenience store last week "you shouldn't be in here with a gun". Hmmmm not the owner, did NOT say "leave" or "don't come in here with a gun", just"you shouldn't be..."

OH WELL, not 86'd some I'm gonna continue to carry as I do everywhere but the school (carry empty holster to protest there).

Speakingofthe college, I'vehadat least two(I'm aware of two) individuals go to security to complain about "a guy that might have a gun because he has an empty holster". Security hasn't bothered me yet.
 
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you shouldn't be in here with a gun. i'd have told him; yeah, tell that to the scumbag that comes in here someday, and presses a handgun to your head, and says; open the register, or die. let me know how that works out for ya!
 

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We-the-People wrote:
Just googled their site and interestingly, they have a picture on their main page (the slide show part) with a guy on horseback apparently shooting a firearm (you can't see a gun because of the huge muzzle flash). There's also another picture where a guy is wearing what sure looks like a big scary knife!

Interestingly, I was told by one of the managers at the local storegas and convenience store last week "you shouldn't be in here with a gun". Hmmmm not the owner, did NOT say "leave" or "don't come in here with a gun", just"you shouldn't be..."

OH WELL, not 86'd some I'm gonna continue to carry as I do everywhere but the school (carry empty holster to protest there).

Speakingofthe college, I'vehadat least two (I'm aware of two) individuals go to security to complain about "a guy that might have a gun because he has an empty holster". Security hasn't bothered me yet.
I mentioned this to my friends and they told me they do hold mounted shooting events here.. figures.. hehe.. I am going to contact the owner this week to clarify the issue.. I have heard he is approachable.. we will find out!
 

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Pics of the hat I had made at the horse show that I wore after they asked me to disarm...
 

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Now you're just too easy Jim. My wife and I have had "the discussion" several times, including tonight over our valentines dinner, "what do we do if they tell me I can't have the weapon". OUR answer is that we get up and leave.....and do not pay the bill (tough if you're in a fast food place and already paid though -- note we were NOT at fast food for V-day).

If they wish to remove my ability to defend myself, I don't want to support them in any way whatsoever. As for not paying the dinner bill, it is a breach of contract for them. By allowing entry and seating me we have a legally binding "implied contract". That contract is that I will order food, they will deliver it and supply a booth/table/etc at which to consume the food, then I will pay for the food. Should they breach that contract by way of amending it to exclude the weapon I wore in openly, I am no longer under any legal obligation to compensate the breaching party (the restaurant).

Offering a "take out box" does not fulfill the implied contract as seating me implies a dine in contract.

Now if they just ASK, thenI say I won't take it outside or cover it up and they allow me to finish my meal, I must pay the bill. But I don't have to come back....and won't.
 

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I have to dance a little with this facility unfortunately.. my g/f owns/shows horses and sells supplements.. so not frequenting this place is not really an option. I do not yet have a concrete 'policy' from them and will continue to be a good ambassador as well as educator. I gave them my card and told them I would like to meet the owner to discuss the matter as I have already spent thousands of dollars here while OCing for at least a year so far with no adverse responses.

I am under the impression that the person who instigated the contact might be biased and made the issue alone.. just a working theory and I may be proven wrong. We will see and I will update as things progress.

It was our horses birthday today and for Valentine's he and the g/f won their class and took home a Grand Champion ribbon!!
 

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Friend of mine went out to target practice with a G21 and a .38 s&w, he is going in for qualifications this coming week.. on the way to and from the shoot, we went in Wilco Farm and Garden, Starbucks, Papa Murphy's Pizza, Fred Meyer's and a 7-11.. whew.. busy day.. no problems anywhere..
 

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I'll bet that back in the lost world of Atlantis, even to be a garbage disposal worker you at least had to have a B.A.
 
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No problems with The OC for the past three days. But by season 3 the show really starts to get repetitive.
 
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Franz Ferdinand (18 December 1863 – 28 June 1914) was an Archduke of Austria-Este, Austro-Hungarian and Royal Prince of Hungary and of Bohemia, and from 1896 until his death, heir presumptive to the Austro-Hungarian throne.[1]
His assassination in Sarajevo precipitated Austria-Hungary's declaration of war against Serbia. This caused the Central Powers (including Germany and Austria-Hungary) and Serbia's allies to declare war on each other, starting World War I.[2][3][4]

Early life
He was born in Graz, Austria, the eldest son of Archduke Karl Ludwig of Austria (younger brother of Franz Joseph and Maximilian) and of his second wife, Princess Maria Annunciata of Bourbon-Two Sicilies. In 1875, when he was only eleven years old, his cousin Duke Francis V of Modena died, naming Franz Ferdinand his heir on condition that he add the name Este to his own. Franz Ferdinand thus became one of the wealthiest men in Austria.

Heir presumptive
In 1889, Franz Ferdinand's life changed dramatically. His cousin Crown Prince Rudolf committed suicide at his hunting lodge in Mayerling.[5] This left Franz Ferdinand's father, Karl Ludwig, as first in line to the throne. Karl Ludwig died of typhoid fever in 1896.[6] Henceforth, Franz Ferdinand was groomed to succeed to the throne.

Travels
Despite this burden, he did manage to find time for travel and personal pursuits, such as the time he spent hunting kangaroos and emus in Australia in 1893,[7] on to Nouméa, New Hebrides, Solomon Islands, New Guinea, Sarawak, Hong Kong, Japan,[8] and the return trip to Austria sailing across the Pacific on the RMS Empress of China from Yokohama to Vancouver.[9]
The Archduke and Archduchess visited England in the fall of 1913, spending a week with George V and Queen Mary at Windsor Castle before going to stay for another week with the Duke of Portland at Welbeck Abbey, Nottinghamshire, where they arrived on 22 November. He attended a service at the local Catholic church in Worksop and the Duke and Archduke went game shooting on the Welbeck estate when, according to the Duke's memoirs, Men, Women and Things:
"One of the loaders fell down. This caused both barrels of the gun he was carrying to be discharged, the shot passing within a few feet of the archduke and myself. I have often wondered whether the Great War might not have been averted, or at least postponed, had the archduke met his death there and not in Sarajevo the following year."[10]

Franz Ferdinand had a fondness for trophy hunting that was excessive even by the standards of European nobility of this time.[11] In his diaries he kept track of an estimated 300,000 game kills, 5,000 of which were deer. Approximately 100,000 trophies were on exhibit at his Bohemian castle at Konopiště[12][13] which he also stuffed with various antiquities, his other great passion.[14]

Military career
Franz Ferdinand, like most males in the ruling Habsburg line, entered the Austro-Hungarian Army at a young age. He was frequently and rapidly promoted, given the rank of lieutenant at age fourteen, captain at twenty-two, colonel at twenty-seven, and major general at thirty-one.[15] While never receiving formal staff training, he was considered eligible for command and at one point briefly led the primarily Hungarian 9th Hussar Regiment.[16] In 1898 he was given a commission "at the special disposition of His Majesty" to make inquiries into all aspects of the military services and military agencies were commanded to share their papers with him.[17]

He exerted influence on the armed forces even when he did not hold a specific command through a military chancery that produced and received documents and papers on military affairs. This was headed by Alexander Brosch von Aarenau and eventually employed a staff of sixteen.[17]

Franz in 1913, as heir-presumptive to the elderly emperor, had been appointed inspector general of all the armed forces of Austria-Hungary (Generalinspektor der gesamten bewaffneten Macht), a position superior to that previously held by Archduke Albrecht and including presumed command in wartime.[18]

Marriage and family

Château Konopiště in Bohemia – summer residence of Franz Ferdinand and his family
In 1894 Franz Ferdinand met Countess Sophie Chotek at a ball in Prague. To be eligible to marry a member of the Imperial House of Habsburg, one had to be a member of one of the reigning or formerly reigning dynasties of Europe. The Choteks were not one of these families, although they did include among their ancestors, in the female line, princes of Baden, Hohenzollern-Hechingen, and Liechtenstein. One of Sophie's direct ancestors was Albert IV, Count of Habsburg; she was descended from Elisabeth of Habsburg, a sister of King Rudolph I of Germany. Franz Ferdinand was a descendant of King Rudolph I. Sophie was a lady-in-waiting to Archduchess Isabella, wife of Archduke Friedrich, Duke of Teschen. Franz Ferdinand began to visit Archduke Friedrich's villa in Pressburg (now Bratislava). Sophie wrote to Franz Ferdinand during his convalescence from tuberculosis on the island of Lošinj in the Adriatic. They kept their relationship a secret.[19]

Deeply in love, Franz Ferdinand refused to consider marrying anyone else. Finally, in 1899, Emperor Franz Joseph agreed to permit Franz Ferdinand to marry Sophie, on condition that the marriage would be morganatic and that their descendants would not have succession rights to the throne.[5] Sophie would not share her husband's rank, title, precedence, or privileges; as such, she would not normally appear in public beside him. She would not be allowed to ride in the royal carriage or sit in the royal box in theaters.[19]
The wedding took place on 1 July 1900, at Reichstadt (now Zákupy) in Bohemia; Franz Joseph did not attend the affair, nor did any archduke including Franz Ferdinand's brothers.[5] The only members of the imperial family who were present were Franz Ferdinand's stepmother, Princess Maria Theresa of Braganza, and her two daughters. Upon the marriage, Sophie was given the title "Princess of Hohenberg" (Fürstin von Hohenberg) with the style "Her Serene Highness" (Ihre Durchlaucht). In 1909, she was given the more senior title "Duchess of Hohenberg" (Herzogin von Hohenberg) with the style "Her Highness" (Ihre Hoheit). This raised her status considerably, but she still yielded precedence at court to all the archduchesses. Whenever a function required the couple to assemble with the other members of the imperial family, Sophie was forced to stand far down the line, separated from her husband.[19]
Franz Ferdinand's children were:

Princess Sophie of Hohenberg (1901–1990), married Count Friedrich von Nostitz-Rieneck (1891–1973)
Maximilian, Duke of Hohenberg (1902–1962), married Countess Elisabeth von Waldburg zu Wolfegg und Waldsee (1904–1993)
Prince Ernst of Hohenberg (1904–1954), married Marie-Therese Wood (1910–1985)
Stillborn son (1908), buried in Artstetten Castle, near his parents[20][21]

Character
The German historian Michael Freund described Franz Ferdinand as "a man of uninspired energy, dark in appearance and emotion, who radiated an aura of strangeness and cast a shadow of violence and recklessness ... a true personality amidst the amiable inanity that characterized Austrian society at this time."[22] As his sometime admirer Karl Kraus put it, "he was not one who would greet you ... he felt no compulsion to reach out for the unexplored region which the Viennese call their heart."[23] His relations with Emperor Franz Joseph were tense; the emperor's personal servant recalled in his memoirs that "thunder and lightning always raged when they had their discussions."[24] The commentaries and orders which the heir to the throne wrote as margin notes to the documents of the Imperial central commission for architectural conservation (where he was Protector) reveal what can be described as "choleric conservativism."[25] The Italian historian Leo Valiani provided the following description.

Francis Ferdinand was a prince of absolutist inclinations, but he had certain intellectual gifts and undoubted moral earnestness. One of his projects--though because of his impatient, suspicious, almost hysterical temperament, his commitment to it, and the methods by which he proposed to bring it about, often changed--was to consolidate the structure of the state and the authority and popularity of the Crown, on which he saw clearly that the fate of the dynasty depended, by abolishing, if not the dominance of the German Austrians, which he wished to maintain for military reasons, though he wanted to diminish it in the civil administration, certainly the far more burdensome sway of the Magyars over the Slav and Romanian nationalities which in 1848–49 had saved the dynasty in armed combat with the Hungarian revolution. Baron Margutti, Francis Joseph's aide-de-camp, was told by Francis Ferdinand in 1895 and--with a remarkable consistency in view of the changes that took place in the intervening years--again in 1913, that the introduction of the dual system in 1867 had been disastrous and that, when he ascended the throne, he intended to re-establish strong central government: this objective, he believed, could be attained only by the simultaneous granting of far-reaching administrative autonomy to all the nationalities of the monarchy. In a letter of February 1, 1913, to Berchtold, the Foreign Minister, in which he gave his reasons for not wanting war with Serbia, the Archduke said that "irredentism in our country ... will cease immediately if our Slavs are given a comfortable, fair and good life" instead of being trampled on (as they were being trampled on by the Hungarians). It must have been this which caused Berchtold, in a character sketch of Francis Ferdinand written ten years after his death, to say that, if he had succeeded to the throne, he would have tried to replace the dual system by a supranational federation.[26]

Political views

Map of the federalization of Austria-Hungary planned by Archduke Franz Ferdinand, the member states with separate governments
Historians have disagreed on how to characterize the political philosophies of Franz Ferdinand, some attributing generally liberal views on the empire's nationalities while others have emphasized his dynastic centralism, Catholic conservatism, and tendency to clash with other leaders.[15] He advocated granting greater autonomy to ethnic groups within the Empire and addressing their grievances, especially the Czechs in Bohemia and the south Slavic peoples in Croatia and Bosnia, who had been left out of the Austro-Hungarian compromise of 1867.[27] Yet his feelings towards the Hungarians were less generous, often described as antipathy. For example, in 1904 he wrote that "The Hungarians are all rabble, regardless of whether they are minister or duke, cardinal or burgher, peasant, hussar, domestic servant, or revolutionary" and he regarded even István Tisza as a revolutionary and "patented traitor".[28] He regarded Hungarian nationalism as a revolutionary threat to the Habsburg dynasty and reportedly became angry when officers of the 9th Hussars Regiment (which he commanded) spoke Hungarian in his presence — despite the fact that it was the official regimental language.[16] He further regarded the Hungarian branch of the Dual Monarchy's army, the Honvédség, as an unreliable and potentially threatening force within the empire, complaining at the Hungarians' failure to provide funds for the joint army[29] and opposing the formation of artillery units within the Hungarian forces.[30]
He also advocated a careful approach towards Serbia - repeatedly locking horns with Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf, Vienna's hard-line Chief of the General Staff, warning that harsh treatment of Serbia would bring Austria-Hungary into open conflict with Russia, to the ruin of both Empires.
He was disappointed when Austria-Hungary failed to act as a Great Power, such as during the Boxer Rebellion, in 1900. Other nations, including, in his description, "dwarf states like Belgium and Portugal",[31] had soldiers stationed in China, but Austria-Hungary did not. However, Austria-Hungary did participate in the Eight-Nation Alliance to suppress the Boxers, and sent soldiers as part of the "international relief force".
Franz Ferdinand was a prominent and influential supporter of the Austro-Hungarian Navy in a time when sea power was not a priority in Austrian foreign policy and the Navy was relatively little known and supported by the public. After his assassination in 1914, the Navy honoured Franz Ferdinand and his wife with a lying in state aboard SMS Viribus Unitis.

Assassination
Main article: Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria

As described by contemporary Spanish magazine El Mundo Gráfico: "The moment when the Austrian archdukes, following the first attempt against their lifes, arrived at the City Council (of Sarajevo), where they were received by the mayor and the municipal corporation."

The 1911 Gräf & Stift Bois de Boulogne phaeton automobile in which Archduke Ferdinand and his wife were assassinated. It is now displayed in the Museum of Military History in Vienna

Franz Ferdinand's blood-stained uniform.
Latin bridge (prev. Princip bridge) in Sarajevo. Across the bridge is a street of several grayish houses not more than four stories high.
The Latin Bridge near the assassination site
The bluish-tinted stamp shows Sophia, duchess of Hohenberg on the left, and Franz Ferdinand on the right. The stamp is titled "Militärpost" ("Military Mail") at the top, and the date of the couple's deaths at the bottom.
Austria-Hungary commemorative postage stamp
On Sunday, 28 June 1914, at approximately 10:45 am, Franz Ferdinand and his wife were killed in Sarajevo, the capital of the Austro-Hungarian province of Bosnia and Herzegovina, by Gavrilo Princip, 19 at the time, a member of Young Bosnia and one of a group of assassins organized and armed by the Black Hand.[4] The event led to a chain of events that eventually triggered World War I.
Earlier in the day, the couple had been attacked by Nedeljko Čabrinović, who had thrown a grenade at their car. However, the bomb detonated behind them, hurting the occupants in the following car. On arriving at the Governor's residence, Franz angrily shouted, "So this is how you welcome your guests — with bombs?!"[32]
After a short rest at the Governor's residence, the royal couple insisted on seeing all those who had been injured by the bomb at the local hospital. However, no one told the drivers that the itinerary had been changed. When the error was discovered, the drivers had to turn around. As the cars backed down the street and onto a side street, the line of cars stalled. At this same time, Princip was sitting at a cafe across the street. He instantly seized his opportunity and walked across the street and shot the royal couple.[32] He first shot Sophie in the abdomen and then shot Franz Ferdinand in the neck. Franz leaned over his wife crying. He was still alive when witnesses arrived to render aid.[4] His dying words to Sophie were, 'Don't die darling, live for our children.'[32] Princip's weapon was the pocket-sized FN Model 1910 pistol chambered for the .380 ACP cartridge provided him by Serbian Army Colonel and Black Hand member Dragutin Dimitrijević.[33] The archduke's aides attempted to undo his coat but realized they needed scissors to cut it open. It was too late; he died within minutes. Sophie also died en route to the hospital.[34]
A detailed account of the shooting can be found in Sarajevo by Joachim Remak:[35]
One bullet pierced Franz Ferdinand's neck while the other pierced Sophie's abdomen. ... As the car was reversing (to go back to the Governor's residence because the entourage thought the Imperial couple were unhurt) a thin streak of blood shot from the Archduke's mouth onto Count Harrach's right cheek (he was standing on the car's running board). Harrach drew out a handkerchief to still the gushing blood. The Duchess, seeing this, called: "For Heaven's sake! What happened to you?" and sank from her seat, her face falling between her husband's knees.
Harrach and Potoriek ... thought she had fainted ... only her husband seemed to have an instinct for what was happening. Turning to his wife despite the bullet in his neck, Franz Ferdinand pleaded: "Sopherl! Sopherl! Sterbe nicht! Bleibe am Leben für unsere Kinder! - Sophie dear! Don't die! Stay alive for our children!" Having said this, he seemed to sag down himself. His plumed hat ... fell off; many of its green feathers were found all over the car floor. Count Harrach seized the Archduke by the uniform collar to hold him up. He asked "Leiden Eure Kaiserliche Hoheit sehr? - Is Your Imperial Highness suffering very badly?" "Es ist nichts. - It is nothing." said the Archduke in a weak but audible voice. He seemed to be losing consciousness during his last few minutes, but, his voice growing steadily weaker, he repeated the phrase perhaps six or seven times more.
A rattle began to issue from his throat, which subsided as the car drew in front of the Konak bersibin (Town Hall). Despite several doctors' efforts, the Archduke died shortly after being carried into the building while his beloved wife was almost certainly dead from internal bleeding before the motorcade reached the Konak.
The assassinations, along with the arms race, nationalism, imperialism, militarism, and the alliance system all contributed to the origins of World War I, which began a month after Franz Ferdinand's death, with Austria-Hungary's declaration of war against Serbia.[36] The assassination of Ferdinand is considered the most immediate cause of World War I.[37]
Franz Ferdinand is interred with his wife Sophie in Artstetten Castle, Austria.
Commemorations

Monogram

The Castle of Artstetten commemorative coin
Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his Castle of Artstetten were selected as a main motif for the Austrian 10 euro The Castle of Artstetten commemorative coin, minted on 13 October 2004. The reverse shows the entrance to the crypt of the Hohenberg family. There are two portraits below, showing Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie, Duchess of Hohenberg.[38]
The Scottish band Franz Ferdinand named themselves after him.[39]
 
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OC'ed at Best Buy today. People were really giving me strange looks when I acted out the scene where Sandy and Ryan were dissing on Marissa.
 
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