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    The below happened on the 18 of September 2009

    Was just detained by Westland police, 5 cars and one bike. Was issued ticket for brandishing. Recorder on. Will file FOIA ASAP.

    Updates to follow when possible.
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    dfox wrote:
    The below happened on the 18 of September 2009

    Was just detained by Westland police, 5 cars and one bike. Was issued ticket for brandishing. Recorder on. Will file FOIA ASAP.

    Updates to follow when possible.
    Did they keep your gun?

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    Very curious about the "brandishing" charge! I realize you can't go into details, but as far as the AG opinion and definition of the act. If it stayed in your holster, there is no charge
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    HankT wrote:
    Did they keep your gun?
    Yes, his firearm was returned.


    dfox has been in contact with a lawyer.

    He was standing still, leaning against a wall, casually chatting with another gentleman.




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    Too soon to be discussing that in this case.

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    Jblack44 wrote:
    Very curious about the "brandishing" charge! I realize you can't go into details, but as far as the AG opinion and definition of the act. If it stayed in your holster, there is no charge
    That's kind of "funny" because when I was stoped I only got one car and a drive by and the LEO told me "no one said it wasn't legal"when I said what i was doing was legal.

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    Jblack44 wrote:
    Very curious about the "brandishing" charge! I realize you can't go into details, but as far as the AG opinion and definition of the act. If it stayed in your holster, there is no charge
    That's kind of "funny" because when I was stoped I only got one car and a drive by and the LEO told me "no one said it wasn't legal"when I said what i was doing was legal.

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    So when will the westland litter clean up and picnic be?
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    So when will the westland litter clean up and picnic be?
    Mine as well do Canton at the same time since they are neighboring cities.

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    Michigander wrote:
    So when will the westland litter clean up and picnic be?
    There will be NO litter clean up in Westland!

    Picketing the police station, filling the city council meeting with OCers, YES!

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    So when will the westland litter clean up and picnic be?
    Mine as well do Canton at the same time since they are neighboring cities.
    We are already having the Chilli thing in 3 weeks in Canton.

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    I like the sound of picketing. Just set a date.
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    UPDATE!!!!!!:what:

    Received letter from State of Michigan 18th Judicial District, Westland MI. Register of Actions.

    Original Charge BRANDISHING

    Dismissed by party

    Administrative dismissal - Police Department

    Police Dept Voided Citation

    CASE CLOSED

    :celebrate

    Another WIN for OC!
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    dfox wrote:
    UPDATE!!!!!!:what:

    Received letter from State of Michigan 18th Judicial District, Westland MI. Register of Actions.

    Original Charge BRANDISHING

    Dismissed by party

    Administrative dismissal - Police Department

    Police Dept Voided Citation

    CASE CLOSED

    :celebrate

    Another WIN for OC!
    Awesome! Glad to hear it.

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    glad to hear it!
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (who will watch the watchmen?)

    I am not a lawyer. Nothing in any of posts should be construed as legal advice.

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    Woohoo! Good job.

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    dfox wrote:
    Original Charge BRANDISHING

    Dismissed by party

    Administrative dismissal - Police Department

    Police Dept Voided Citation

    CASE CLOSED
    Good for you!

    Can you still file a complaint against Westland police?

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    Another win for OC would be to SUE THEM for violating your Civil Rights. Don't lie down. Take it to the next level.

    They dismissed the charge because they realized they F'ed up. HOWEVER, that does not "make it right" for how they treated you.

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    Can you tell the whole story now?

    BTW, CONGRATS!

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    Congrats Dfox! Yes, you should definitely file a complaint to raise awareness for them internally.

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    Maybe now we won't need to do a group protest, but perhaps we should still seal the deal with a picnic in the huge park by the PD. :celebrate
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    Great news!
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    T Vance wrote:
    Can you tell the whole story now?

    BTW, CONGRATS!
    I'm hoping he will follow up on the illegal detention.

    I have heard that a citation is tantamount to arrest, so maybe it can be classified as a false arrest. I really don't have anything solid on that, though.
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    Unreal!

    I would most definitely be seeking legal action against the department!

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