No second ammendment in national Gov't textbooks?

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BJA wrote:

Well I just got done with the civil liberties and civil rights section in my college national government and politics today course. There was no mention of the second ammendment..... I go back to the index to see where the second ammendment is discussed, it's only on two pages with very little discussion in the WHOLE book. Realy?! I then look up "gun control" in the index of my textbook and it has five pages. Discussing whether gun control is good or bad, it says to make the conclusion yourself and get involved...... Anyone's elses textbook or course like this?



This really worries me.



Ben

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I have had courses like that. The entire purpose of college training is to indoctrinate you into a set mode of thinking--universities and colleges do not I don't think by nature encourage free thought, or free speech, and they certainly do not tend to promote the exercise of your other Constitutionally protected rights--the student whose professor called the police on him after he exercised his Constitutionally protected First Amendment right when he advocated for allowing Concealed carry on college campuses http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum64/22431.html

is but one example.

It is not about "education", it is about indoctrination. That is the sad fact of education today.

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suntzu wrote:

It is not about "education", it is about indoctrination. That is the sad fact of education today.

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For the lefty profs, maybe.

For the college boards of directors, it's about making mad cash via the path of least resistance. Crank out diplomas, take that grant money and those subsidized student loans, and stuff that bank account.

For the students, it's about getting that piece of paper that you need to get a job, regardless of whether you actually learned anything or not.

/cynicism

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BJA wrote:

The book is very new, it even has barack obama becoming president, it also costed 150$ and it's not a hard cover. 2009 cengage learning. While they go over all the other civil liberties in great detail except the 2nd ammendment. man o man someone just posted that they thing the 2nd ammendment is most at risk yet they agree with outlawing hollow points and "armor piercing bullets", 6 month waiting period on every gun, no private gun sales, limiting magazine capacity and registering every firearm and ballistics in a national database. WOW :banghead::banghead:I have a long semester ahead of me....



Ben

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This is why I'm dropping out of my bachelor degree and either going to a tech school or getting an associates degree since I don't want to be a doctor or lawyer, I don't want to be in debt over books.

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actually, heller only applied to D.C. Because of the incorporation clause in the constitution it has to be brought up to the supreme court against a state to be applicable to them.

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Holy thread necro, Batman!

Heller was an interpretation of the 2nd Amendment and thus applied to all federal laws, not just to D.C.. You are correct in that the 2nd Amendment wouldn't apply automatically to the states, but there is nothing called an "incorporation clause" in the constitution. Incorporation is the process by which jurisprudence extends the Bill of Rights to the states; it is done under authority of Article 3, Section 2, Clause 1.

In McDonald incorporation was attempted through the 14th Amendment's "Due Process Clause" and "Privileges or Immunities Clause." The latter was shot down quickly in oral argument; the former may bring us a victory.

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ah touche my friend, you are correct, i should read the constitution again.

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Y'all need to remember the old maxim that I bring up when we're investigating why these sort of things happen.

If you want to know WHY this anti-gun bias is so prevalent in textbooks, you need to FOLLOW THE MONEY.

The largest textbook publisher in the world is Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.

HCH is owned by Education Media and Publishing Group.

http://people.brandeis.edu/~lamiller/houghtonmifflin.html

EMPG is an Irish corporation, registered in the Cayman Islands. There was recently a rather large kerfuffle in Ireland about EMPG's financial situation, wherein they restructured, and essentially zero-ed out their stockholders books, rendering all old investments, obligations, and debts ($3.5 BILLION) to be void. They then re-financed through various investment banks and funds, and gave posh stock options to their CEO and CFO (who retained their positions, despite the company's financial troubles!) and the 9 new members of their newly-created Board of Directors (which is essentially made of reps from their new investors).

So what does this all mean?

All the textbook Publishers (not just HMH, but Pearson, and McGraw-Hill as well) are owned--lock, stock, and barrel--by big international banks.

These guys (the banksters) intentionally engineered the financial collapse last year which caused HMH's near-demise, and then they rushed in to buy them up and give themselves posh stock options and controlling positions in the company.

These are the same banksters who fund groups like VPC, HCI, and BCPHV. These are the same banksters who fund the wars in the middle east by laundering money for BOTH sides. These are the same banksters who have completely infiltrated the high offices of our current administration here in the USA and are currently ransacking th eAmerican economy down to the last cent. These are the same banksters who funded the rise of the Bolshevik Revolution, funded Stalin, funded Mao, funded Pol Pot, funded the rise of the German National Socialist Party, funded IBM's sales of Hollerith Card machines to the Third Reich so they could keep accurate records in the concentration camps.

Follow the money, folks. It all leads back to the same place. Every international war crime, engineered revolution, and institutional agenda to strip people of their Human Rights can be traced back to the same source.

Banks... Big Banks... Big Banks in London, New York, and Belgium.

Follow the Money.

It's a easy trail to follow.

It's covered in blood, dirt, and smells of lies, deceit, and oppression...

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suntzu wrote:

I have had courses like that. The entire purpose of college training is to indoctrinate you into a set mode of thinking--universities and colleges do not I don't think by nature encourage free thought, or free speech, and they certainly do not tend to promote the exercise of your other Constitutionally protected rights--the student whose professor called the police on him after he exercised his Constitutionally protected First Amendment right when he advocated for allowing Concealed carry on college campuses http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum64/22431.html

is but one example.

It is not about "education", it is about indoctrination. That is the sad fact of education today.

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Oh God, so true.

I am currently pursuing dual associates, and let me tell you that your commentary could not be more spot on.

The college I am attending is a liberal arts college, that simply has the kind of CNE program I am looking for, so I elected to take it. Of course there are course prerequisites, and in those I have witnessed some of the most comical dialogue I could have ever seen come out of a professors mouth, particularly in the "Interpersonal Communications in the Workplace" course.

What an enormously large pile of strong smelling fecal matter! In the classes where the professors do not try to cram their rhetorical opinion down your throat, stating absurdity as it is patent fact, I find myself absolutely loving the classes.

Presenting facts and letting the human mind develop its own solutions to presented facts is one of our greatest strengths. Why do I need some doctorate jackass to tell me how to feel?

EDIT: Wow...yeah this thread is old...

I shot in the NRA Jr rifle program when I was a kid and wore my awards to school and was IMMEDIATELY BOOTED OUT OF SCHOOL. It was my first encounter with the anti gun/ anti think for yourself school network.

dukenukum said:

I shot in the NRA Jr rifle program when I was a kid and wore my awards to school and was IMMEDIATELY BOOTED OUT OF SCHOOL. It was my first encounter with the anti gun/ anti think for yourself school network.

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I hate zero tolerance policies with a passion.

Jack House said:

I hate zero tolerance policies with a passion.

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That's why I love our school system where students and teachers wear firearm related clothing to school all the time, and the school just sponsored a firearm safety training day ( on school grounds), and the school district has awarded our local 4-H shooting sports club a $4000.00 grant to buy more firearms for our club.

BJA said:

I've been a "gun activist" since 12but had no one to guide me. I had to learn on my own. I just can't believe how blatent this is though, I paid 125$ for the textbook, I told theprofessor I believe I wasted my money. We also had an online discussion on "what civil liberty do you think is most at risk" the title of my response is "where is the second ammendment????" and wrote my response. Don't know if i'll get in trouble for sturring things up but I don't care.... I told him straight up WOW, I can't believe I wasted my money on this textbook, one of the most important civil rights cases just happened and this Brand new expensive text book has nothing in it to do about the second ammendment. Does this class say anything about it?

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I hope your paper is checked for spelling better than your post.

If the professor doesn't cover what the text doesn't, go the the regents and demand your money back on the course on the grounds of breach of contract. Be sure to bring a lawyer when you brace the B-turds.

Hillmann said:

When I was in high school the only founding document that was covered in any depth was the decleration of independence. All the other importent documents (Magna carta, Articles of confedration and constution) were very quickly skimmed over, usualy in a single 45 minute class.

I know the magna carta isn't a founding document but is is important to american history because it recognized the rights of commoners.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

America.

When Englishmen left their homeland for the new world, they brought with them charters establishing the colonies. The Massachusetts Bay Company charter for example stated the colonists would "have and enjoy all liberties and immunities of free and natural subjects." The Virginia Charter of 1606 (which was largely drafted by Sir Edward Coke) stated the colonists would have all "liberties, franchises and immunities" as if they had been born in England. The Massachusetts Body of Liberties contained similarites to clause 29 of the Magna Carta, and the Massachusetts General Court in drawing it up viewed Magna Carta as the chief embodiment of English common law[74]. The other colonies would follow their example. In 1638 Maryland sought to recognise Magna Carta as part of the law of the province but it was not granted by the King[75].

In 1687 William Penn published The Excellent Privilege of Liberty and Property: being the birth-right of the Free-Born Subjects of England which contained the first copy of Magna Carta printed on American soil. Penn's comments reflected Coke's, indicating a belief that Magna Carta was a fundamental law[76]. The colonists drew on English lawbooks leading them to an anachronistic interpretation of the Magna Carta, believing it guaranteed trial by jury and habeas corpus[77].

The development of Parliamentary sovereignty in the British Isles did not constitutionally affect the Thirteen Colonies, which retained an adherence to English common law, but it would come to directly affect the relationship between Britain and the colonies[78]. When American colonists raised arms against Britain, they were fighting not so much for new freedom, but to preserve liberties and rights, as believed to be enshrined in the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights. American Revolutionaries would supplement this with ideas of natural right.

In 1787 when the revolutionaries gathered to draft a constitution they built upon the legal system they knew and admired, English common law, and on Lockean philosophy.

The American Constitution is the "supreme law of the land", recalling the manner in which Magna Carta had come to be regarded as fundamental law. This heritage is quite apparent. In comparing Magna Carta with the Bill of Rights: the Fifth Amendment guarantees: "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law." In addition, the United States Constitution included a similar writ in the Suspension Clause, article 1, section 9: "The privilege of the writ habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it." Each of these proclaim no man may be imprisoned or detained without proof that they did wrong. The Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution states that, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." The framers of the United States Constitution wished to ensure that rights they already held, such as those provided by the Magna Carta, were not lost unless explicitly curtailed in the new United States Constitution.[79][80]

The United States Supreme Court has explicitly referenced Lord Coke's analysis of Magna Carta as an antecedent of the Sixth Amendment's right to a speedy trial.[81]

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Dreamer said:

These guys (the banksters) intentionally engineered the financial collapse last year which caused HMH's near-demise, and then they rushed in to buy them up and give themselves posh stock options and controlling positions in the company.

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Has anyone else recognised that the text books put out for the last 30 years have had an increasing leftwing bias? I just want to get this straight, since books just designed 2 years ago have yet to see print.

When you read nonsensical rants like this, just replace the word "bankster" with "jew", and see if you can find a parallel.

PrayingForWar said:

Has anyone else recognised that the text books put out for the last 30 years have had an increasing leftwing bias?

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Absolutely. My university's American History professor recognized it back in the 80s, so much so, he refused to use a textbook written after 1960. "Worthless, rewritten trash" he called them.

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Absolutely. My university's American History professor recognized it back in the 80s, so much so, he refused to use a textbook written after 1960. "Worthless, rewritten trash" he called them.

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Sounds a lot like the history Prof I had in 72. There was NO political spin in his class.