i dont want to go on for too long, but my point here is that when we see newer posters, while sometimes annoying, we should understand that most of us were there too, and hopefully they will learn as we have. as for the the ones of you that are new... keep a very open mind here, when i was newer (and still) i find some of the things people say hard to understand, and sometimes i feel or felt that they were a little extreme. after researching more and getting my rights violated a few times my knowledge continues to grow because of the other posters here.