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This afternoon I went about a part of Merced that I frequent, and started asking various establishments what their policies, corporate and private were with regards to firearms, UOC, CCW, and spoke with them about various PC numbers and laws regarding their legality.
At Raley's in Merced, the manager available declined to state any official policy, and suggested I contact their corporate office. The gentleman there intimated to me that he would almost certainly call the police if a man or woman entered the store carrying an unloaded openly carried firearm.
At the Papa Murphy's across the street, the young girl in managment there informed me that "No way would that be legal, unless you were a cop." and that she would detain me, call the police and have me arrested for felony possession. All the while having this conversation while preparing a Family Sized Hawaiian.
At the haircut shop within the same strip mall I was informed that I would be very welcome there. The gentlemen there was exceptionally courteous and his staff although at first confused, were congenial after understanding the issue I presented. He claimed although he was unaware of corporate policy regarding it, he had no issues, and as the owner he informed his employees to groom, style and shave even those who carried firearms.
At the Cigarette Store, the employee and manager (a private business) said they recognized the legality of UOC but refused to serve those in possession of firearms and would call the police in such an event.
The Chevron gas station found no fault with the legality of UOC or CC with a CCWP, but that by the nature of the business, E.g operating a gas station, he would immediately call the police. He said Chevron obeyed all state and federal laws, but that he would fear for his employees life in such an event, as he had never witnessed a UOC before.
The Mexican restraunt adjacent to the smoke shop was not really able to, in my opinion, fully understand the questions I was asking. The gentleman who owned the restraunt called his son over to act as translator (lets be honest, my spanish is pretty poor). In the end I think he got the gist of it, pistole, no la bala, no bueno. I believe he did not understand the PC I was attempting to explain, and unfortunetly continued to believe that only Police Officers could legally carry firearms. I would note that the food at this estabilishment is quite good, and that I believe multi-lingual UOCers should be encouraged, or we should develop a pamphlet in Spanish/Hmong.
The Wells Fargo Bank declined to state any incidence of robbery or experience with UOC or CC, and that they would clarify their corporate policy and apply it to their branch.
Further down G street:
Rite-Aid: the employee at the counter intimated to me that she had no problem with UOC and that her father was an avid gun collector and her brother a former Highway Patrolman before he was tragically killed.
The manager available told me flat out that it was illegal. I asked him to clarify and said that it was illegal for employees to UOC or CC. And that this policy likely extended to patrons. I asked him to clarify the policy number and he called HR, who said that they would get back to me. He then demanded to know if I was carrying a firearm and said he would call the police if any UOC or CCer should up. He also said he would only do this until it was clarified by corporate.
The Christian Connection was very welcoming, they disagreed initially with UOC, and CC. I attempted to explain and was pleased by the openness of dialogue. A man named Rick, a part owner and soon to be EMT said he found no fault or illegality and said that we must all respect the law, and fight for what we believed in, although he disagreed with many UOC and CC points. The other part owner who came in later, remained uncomfortable with the idea, but recognized the legality and need for some people to UOC.
The sporting goods store's manager was on the phone so I opted not to interrupt or waste their busy time.
The Walgreens on G was terrible. Awful. I attempted to be courteous, and respectful, but that had no effect on the sheer pig-headedness of the manager available at Walgreens.
He came up and we began discussing the penal codes and laws regarding UOC and CC. He said, whatever corporate said he would not permit it in his store. That citizens had no right to possess firearms outside their homes and that he would detain them, contact the police and protect his employees from any M(orW)WAG. I explained to him that I did not require him to validate my rights. He promptly cut me off and told me he didn't have to fill my perscriptions. I asked him if this was true to corporate policy, what it had to do with our conversation, and if that held true to medicare and medicaid perscriptions to which he started bellowing and saying that it was his store and he could do what he liked and serve who he liked and call the police on who he liked. Other patrons within earshot were confused and I left the store after being told to call corporate, and that whether or not it was legal it wouldnt be happening in his store. Couldn't be happier to not shop there anymore.
Next up was Staples, this was bad. Insttead of re writing it, I'll just post the complaint letter I submitted to Staples:
"Hello there,
I have a major concern regarding Staples corporate policy.
I represent an advocacy group that supports the people of California and their right to carry an UNLOADED handgun OPENLY without a permit, legal under our Second Amendment Rights and California Penal Code: PC12031(e) and related codes.
There are many members of our advocacy group here in Merced, and it is our right, complete with precedent and current legal codes, as California residents and United States citizens to openly carry our legal unloaded handguns in public places.
This exercise in our rights is often met with resistance from the uninformed, the politically opposite and the ignorant. It is also the right of every business to refuse our patronage, and in the interests of avoiding conflict with proprietors, I visited the Staples center at 20 W Olive in Merced, CA (unarmed) and asked to speak with the manager available.
A man approached me and after introductions informed me that it was against Staples policy for anyone to carry a firearm aside from police officers, inside the store. When he was unable to provide me with a statute or policy number, he suggested that it might be acceptable. He asked me why I would "drill him" about the various aspects of the law, and told me that I was "abrasive" and "unfriendly". Then your manager intimated to me that he would personally call the police on any individual lawfully carrying an unloaded firearm within the store. He said he would confront an individual openly carrying an unloaded firearm and ask them to disarm and leave the premises. He claimed this was within his decision making authority, whether or not it was corporate policy, as his first interest was in preserving the peace of mind of his customers. He also informed me that Staples followed all Federal and State laws and guidelines.
I am not writing with regards unprofessional manner this manager used, and have as such left his name absent. I am writing to clarify Staples official policy regarding UNLOADED, OPEN carry of handguns in California State.
Does Staples follow all Federal and State guidelines?
Does Staples accept the 2nd Amendment as a right? (feel free to not answer this if you perceive it to be too political or as some kind of baiting)
Does Staples recognize the authority of the State of California to determine the legality of openly carrying an unloaded firearm?
Does Staples have a policy regarding its managers or associates and their power to ask a patron to leave, disarm, or provide proof of residency, concealed carry permit, or a firearms unloaded status?
Does Staples have a policy encouraging its associates to call the police if a citizen is legally, openly carrying an unloaded firearm?
I encourage you to forward this message to your legal department or policy makers for clarification, and to respond to me as soon as it is possible. Our organization has been told that we are not welcome in Staples at Merced, CA if we are openly carrying an unloaded firearm or legally possessing a concealed firearm. There are XXX of us, who have been effectively banned from the store, should we choose to execute our rights as citizens of the USA and residents of California.
It is not our mission to cause trouble, but rather to protect ourselves and others, to deter crime, and encourage the acceptance of the possibility that law abiding citizens might be able to possess firearms.
We sincerely appreciate your time, and I look forward to being welcome in your stores. I understand that questions such as these take time to properly formulate an accurate answer, and am looking forward to your reply.
Yours,
Andrew ----"
Then came the Savemart, where the manager was a pleasure to speak with, Tim Rice his name was, and he said that he had his concerns about the comfort of his customer base, and that the store had been robbed before. He said he would contact corporate for clarification and if UOC and CC were accepted at Savemart then more power unto ourselves. I also enjoyed speaking with the delightful young black man greeting people at the door, he was excited to be joining the Marines and a proud supporter of the 2nd Amendment.
The Bicycle World across the way said come on in, don't shoot noone and we welcome your business.
That was about it, then I had to head back to UCM and pick up the battleaxe.
I feel like I'm making a bit more connection with local businesses and making some headway into exposing people to open carry, without necessarily UOCing at the time.
Next up: abusing the Universities' printers to make pamphlets!
Thoughts on this?
This afternoon I went about a part of Merced that I frequent, and started asking various establishments what their policies, corporate and private were with regards to firearms, UOC, CCW, and spoke with them about various PC numbers and laws regarding their legality.
At Raley's in Merced, the manager available declined to state any official policy, and suggested I contact their corporate office. The gentleman there intimated to me that he would almost certainly call the police if a man or woman entered the store carrying an unloaded openly carried firearm.
At the Papa Murphy's across the street, the young girl in managment there informed me that "No way would that be legal, unless you were a cop." and that she would detain me, call the police and have me arrested for felony possession. All the while having this conversation while preparing a Family Sized Hawaiian.
At the haircut shop within the same strip mall I was informed that I would be very welcome there. The gentlemen there was exceptionally courteous and his staff although at first confused, were congenial after understanding the issue I presented. He claimed although he was unaware of corporate policy regarding it, he had no issues, and as the owner he informed his employees to groom, style and shave even those who carried firearms.
At the Cigarette Store, the employee and manager (a private business) said they recognized the legality of UOC but refused to serve those in possession of firearms and would call the police in such an event.
The Chevron gas station found no fault with the legality of UOC or CC with a CCWP, but that by the nature of the business, E.g operating a gas station, he would immediately call the police. He said Chevron obeyed all state and federal laws, but that he would fear for his employees life in such an event, as he had never witnessed a UOC before.
The Mexican restraunt adjacent to the smoke shop was not really able to, in my opinion, fully understand the questions I was asking. The gentleman who owned the restraunt called his son over to act as translator (lets be honest, my spanish is pretty poor). In the end I think he got the gist of it, pistole, no la bala, no bueno. I believe he did not understand the PC I was attempting to explain, and unfortunetly continued to believe that only Police Officers could legally carry firearms. I would note that the food at this estabilishment is quite good, and that I believe multi-lingual UOCers should be encouraged, or we should develop a pamphlet in Spanish/Hmong.
The Wells Fargo Bank declined to state any incidence of robbery or experience with UOC or CC, and that they would clarify their corporate policy and apply it to their branch.
Further down G street:
Rite-Aid: the employee at the counter intimated to me that she had no problem with UOC and that her father was an avid gun collector and her brother a former Highway Patrolman before he was tragically killed.
The manager available told me flat out that it was illegal. I asked him to clarify and said that it was illegal for employees to UOC or CC. And that this policy likely extended to patrons. I asked him to clarify the policy number and he called HR, who said that they would get back to me. He then demanded to know if I was carrying a firearm and said he would call the police if any UOC or CCer should up. He also said he would only do this until it was clarified by corporate.
The Christian Connection was very welcoming, they disagreed initially with UOC, and CC. I attempted to explain and was pleased by the openness of dialogue. A man named Rick, a part owner and soon to be EMT said he found no fault or illegality and said that we must all respect the law, and fight for what we believed in, although he disagreed with many UOC and CC points. The other part owner who came in later, remained uncomfortable with the idea, but recognized the legality and need for some people to UOC.
The sporting goods store's manager was on the phone so I opted not to interrupt or waste their busy time.
The Walgreens on G was terrible. Awful. I attempted to be courteous, and respectful, but that had no effect on the sheer pig-headedness of the manager available at Walgreens.
He came up and we began discussing the penal codes and laws regarding UOC and CC. He said, whatever corporate said he would not permit it in his store. That citizens had no right to possess firearms outside their homes and that he would detain them, contact the police and protect his employees from any M(orW)WAG. I explained to him that I did not require him to validate my rights. He promptly cut me off and told me he didn't have to fill my perscriptions. I asked him if this was true to corporate policy, what it had to do with our conversation, and if that held true to medicare and medicaid perscriptions to which he started bellowing and saying that it was his store and he could do what he liked and serve who he liked and call the police on who he liked. Other patrons within earshot were confused and I left the store after being told to call corporate, and that whether or not it was legal it wouldnt be happening in his store. Couldn't be happier to not shop there anymore.
Next up was Staples, this was bad. Insttead of re writing it, I'll just post the complaint letter I submitted to Staples:
"Hello there,
I have a major concern regarding Staples corporate policy.
I represent an advocacy group that supports the people of California and their right to carry an UNLOADED handgun OPENLY without a permit, legal under our Second Amendment Rights and California Penal Code: PC12031(e) and related codes.
There are many members of our advocacy group here in Merced, and it is our right, complete with precedent and current legal codes, as California residents and United States citizens to openly carry our legal unloaded handguns in public places.
This exercise in our rights is often met with resistance from the uninformed, the politically opposite and the ignorant. It is also the right of every business to refuse our patronage, and in the interests of avoiding conflict with proprietors, I visited the Staples center at 20 W Olive in Merced, CA (unarmed) and asked to speak with the manager available.
A man approached me and after introductions informed me that it was against Staples policy for anyone to carry a firearm aside from police officers, inside the store. When he was unable to provide me with a statute or policy number, he suggested that it might be acceptable. He asked me why I would "drill him" about the various aspects of the law, and told me that I was "abrasive" and "unfriendly". Then your manager intimated to me that he would personally call the police on any individual lawfully carrying an unloaded firearm within the store. He said he would confront an individual openly carrying an unloaded firearm and ask them to disarm and leave the premises. He claimed this was within his decision making authority, whether or not it was corporate policy, as his first interest was in preserving the peace of mind of his customers. He also informed me that Staples followed all Federal and State laws and guidelines.
I am not writing with regards unprofessional manner this manager used, and have as such left his name absent. I am writing to clarify Staples official policy regarding UNLOADED, OPEN carry of handguns in California State.
Does Staples follow all Federal and State guidelines?
Does Staples accept the 2nd Amendment as a right? (feel free to not answer this if you perceive it to be too political or as some kind of baiting)
Does Staples recognize the authority of the State of California to determine the legality of openly carrying an unloaded firearm?
Does Staples have a policy regarding its managers or associates and their power to ask a patron to leave, disarm, or provide proof of residency, concealed carry permit, or a firearms unloaded status?
Does Staples have a policy encouraging its associates to call the police if a citizen is legally, openly carrying an unloaded firearm?
I encourage you to forward this message to your legal department or policy makers for clarification, and to respond to me as soon as it is possible. Our organization has been told that we are not welcome in Staples at Merced, CA if we are openly carrying an unloaded firearm or legally possessing a concealed firearm. There are XXX of us, who have been effectively banned from the store, should we choose to execute our rights as citizens of the USA and residents of California.
It is not our mission to cause trouble, but rather to protect ourselves and others, to deter crime, and encourage the acceptance of the possibility that law abiding citizens might be able to possess firearms.
We sincerely appreciate your time, and I look forward to being welcome in your stores. I understand that questions such as these take time to properly formulate an accurate answer, and am looking forward to your reply.
Yours,
Andrew ----"
Then came the Savemart, where the manager was a pleasure to speak with, Tim Rice his name was, and he said that he had his concerns about the comfort of his customer base, and that the store had been robbed before. He said he would contact corporate for clarification and if UOC and CC were accepted at Savemart then more power unto ourselves. I also enjoyed speaking with the delightful young black man greeting people at the door, he was excited to be joining the Marines and a proud supporter of the 2nd Amendment.
The Bicycle World across the way said come on in, don't shoot noone and we welcome your business.
That was about it, then I had to head back to UCM and pick up the battleaxe.
I feel like I'm making a bit more connection with local businesses and making some headway into exposing people to open carry, without necessarily UOCing at the time.
Next up: abusing the Universities' printers to make pamphlets!
Thoughts on this?
