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    Heard this advertised on the radio today, found the web site, directions to the event seem to reference public space("all in an enchanting courthouse square, " ) and their list of rules includes: "NO weapons".

    http://www.powhatanwinefestival.com/tickets.htm

    Do we need to gently remind the Powhatan Chamber of Commerce about state pre-emption and public property ?



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    I just sent Tina an e-mail.
    Carry On.

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    Interesting, a wine festival. I wonder what kind of ABC license they have. Would this mean CC is out?

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    unless they give it a resturant or club license, whichI doubt, you can CC.

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    TFred wrote:
    Interesting, a wine festival. I wonder what kind of ABC license they have. Would this mean CC is out?

    TFred
    There's one of these "wine things" at Waterside Park on my range day, too... Should we cancel the range day and go look at the wine & cheese crowd? I don't drink, but I bet they have some tasty cheeses available!

    Do I have to bring my own crackers?
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    Interesting, a wine festival. I wonder what kind of ABC license they have. Would this mean CC is out?

    TFred
    There's one of these "wine things" at Waterside Park on my range day, too... Should we cancel the range day and go look at the wine & cheese crowd? I don't drink, but I bet they have some tasty cheeses available!

    Do I have to bring my own crackers?
    I'll bring a couple boxes of wheat thins for ya :celebrate

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    I'll bring some Port Wine Cheese with me to the range, too.
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
    (unknown 'gun~writer')

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    Looks like there are 24 wineries coming to the event so my guess is that they will be using their ABC Winery license. Either way, OC is GTG.
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    I just heard back form them.. The tickets were already printed with NO WEAPONS. I think they agree with what I presented and will be changing the website soon. We will see!

    Ed
    Carry On.

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    cbackous wrote:
    unless they give it a resturant or club license, whichI doubt, you can CC.
    I would agree
    Carry On.

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    No Weapons has been removed from site as of 9/30/09 @ 2159

    :celebrate
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    I need a "that was easy" button.

    Carry On.

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    ed wrote:
    I need a "that was easy" button.

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    Problem is too many of these preprinted tickets and signs get made up with erroneous information and then need to be corrected.

    Frequently, as with these tickets, that is impossible; therefore, the false message is propagated.

    BTW - did you notice that it Powhatan's Festival of the Grape ?

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Problem is too many of these preprinted tickets and signs get made up with erroneous information and then need to be corrected.
    Heh, heh, heh. I notice the list does not say it is a list of restrictions. It could be taken as a promotional list--"Feel free to come and be comfortable, we are not going to allow pets, guns..."

    I wonder if they are open to complaint or suit from an anti-gunner from false advertising printed on their tickets? "Hey!! You said there would be no guns!! Gimme my money back. I'm reporting you to the consumer protection agency."
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    Hey, Ed!

    You got time to go after them for the part about legal identification required?

    Can they demand legal ID just for attending? Is this a "no minors" venue for some reason?

    Otherwise, I should think Brown v Texas, Kolender v Lawson, and Hiibel v 6th Judicial District Court might apply.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Grape?

    Maybe I've asked this question before, if so, tell me to pack sand...

    Do you have a black powder cannon? I've spent some time on the "crew" of ships with black powder cannons. I remember making charges with FFF or FFFF powder in aluminum foil for them. The cans looked like the same sizecans that paint thinner came in and they were red and white.

    I remember the charges being about the size of my fist. This was when I was a young, impressionable teenager and I just remember we made quite a lot of noise with them and they would shoot a tennis ball or a soda can full of cement darn near into orbit.

    Now that I'm an adult and have acquired a little bit of knowledge in the area of explosives, that was a BUNCH of black powder... When we went to Harborfest in the late 70's, I remember the windows in the buildings downtown rattling when we shot. Those were the days...
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
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    Citizen wrote:
    Hey, Ed!

    You got time to go after them for the part about legal identification required?

    Can they demand legal ID just for attending? Is this a "no minors" venue for some reason?

    Otherwise, I should think Brown v Texas, Kolender v Lawson, and Hiibel v 6th Judicial District Court might apply.
    naw.. I am just working on the niche' gun stuff
    Carry On.

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    Citizen wrote:
    Hey, Ed!

    You got time to go after them for the part about legal identification required?

    Can they demand legal ID just for attending? Is this a "no minors" venue for some reason?

    Otherwise, I should think Brown v Texas, Kolender v Lawson, and Hiibel v 6th Judicial District Court might apply.
    Maybe they don't want to have to worry about ID'ing everyone who is partaking of the wine tasting?

    TFred


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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    Grape?

    Maybe I've asked this question before, if so, tell me to pack sand...

    Do you have a black powder cannon? I've spent some time on the "crew" of ships with black powder cannons. I remember making charges with FFF or FFFF powder in aluminum foil for them. The cans looked like the same sizecans that paint thinner came in and they were red and white.

    I remember the charges being about the size of my fist. This was when I was a young, impressionable teenager and I just remember we made quite a lot of noise with them and they would shoot a tennis ball or a soda can full of cement darn near into orbit.

    Now that I'm an adult and have acquired a little bit of knowledge in the area of explosives, that was a BUNCH of black powder... When we went to Harborfest in the late 70's, I remember the windows in the buildings downtown rattling when we shot. Those were the days...
    MSC

    When I lived in the So. MD area I was a member of a living history program for Civil War, 1861 era. We demonstrated loading and firing a 12 pound field howitzer and the rifled musket.

    Burned a lot of black powder. If I remember correctly 1.25 lb per round. Was a lot of fun.

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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    Grape?

    Maybe I've asked this question before, if so, tell me to pack sand...

    Do you have a black powder cannon? I've spent some time on the "crew" of ships with black powder cannons. I remember making charges with FFF or FFFF powder in aluminum foil for them. The cans looked like the same sizecans that paint thinner came in and they were red and white.

    I remember the charges being about the size of my fist. This was when I was a young, impressionable teenager and I just remember we made quite a lot of noise with them and they would shoot a tennis ball or a soda can full of cement darn near into orbit.

    Now that I'm an adult and have acquired a little bit of knowledge in the area of explosives, that was a BUNCH of black powder... When we went to Harborfest in the late 70's, I remember the windows in the buildings downtown rattling when we shot. Those were the days...
    Nope, wish I did though.

    BTW - don't tell Citizen that I don't - it is what keeps him polite - he's fearful that I might lower the muzzle.

    Have considered acquiring a carbide cannon - fun in the sun and all that.

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    I'd forgotten about carbide. I used to use a carbide"lamp" for blackening sights when I was shooting in matches.

    I've never been to one of these "wine tastings" or festivals, but I BET they're CHOCK-FULL of tree-huggin, gun-hatin libbies. I bet you guys OCing there will have lots to talk about after the event. Don't forget your voice recorders! I wanna HEAR the silly comments "OH THE HUMANITY!" "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?" (Of which, there should be NONE present)

    I remember using a "rock or 2" of carbide and one or two DROPS of water in the carbide lamp, screwing the lid on and then you had a BLOWTORCH that made a nice black smoke to blacken your sights. Worked great and didn't leave a lot of residue to screw up your sight picture or allignment.

    Let me know how the festival goes. I bet there are comments about even tasting wine and OCing at the same time... Is this really a good idea for our Cause?
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    I'd forgotten about carbide. I used to use a carbide"lamp" for blackening sights when I was shooting in matches.

    I've never been to one of these "wine tastings" or festivals, but I BET they're CHOCK-FULL of tree-huggin, gun-hatin libbies. I bet you guys OCing there will have lots to talk about after the event. Don't forget your voice recorders! I wanna HEAR the silly comments "OH THE HUMANITY!" "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?" (Of which, there should be NONE present)

    I remember using a "rock or 2" of carbide and one or two DROPS of water in the carbide lamp, screwing the lid on and then you had a BLOWTORCH that made a nice black smoke to blacken your sights. Worked great and didn't leave a lot of residue to screw up your sight picture or allignment.

    Let me know how the festival goes. I bet there are comments about even tasting wine and OCing at the same time... Is this really a good idea for our Cause?
    Just looking and being seen. Maybe they'll even have non-alcoholic grapa.

    Wouldn't expect much of a problem in Powhatan - most of the people there embrace conservative values.

    Yata hey
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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    Grape?

    Maybe I've asked this question before, if so, tell me to pack sand...

    Do you have a black powder cannon?

    He goes by Grapeshot not due to a cannon butbecause pruneshot just didn't have the same pizzazz!
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    ProShooter wrote:
    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    Grape?

    Maybe I've asked this question before, if so, tell me to pack sand...

    Do you have a black powder cannon?

    He goes by Grapeshot not due to a cannon butbecause pruneshot just didn't have the same pizzazz!
    OH, that is sooo mean :^).

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