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same old question, open carry in a car without a concealed permit

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so i have been oc for the last 2 weeks now,but every thime i get back in to my car i have to unload the gun and put it back in the trunk

the question is

can i keep my smith and wesson while its loaded over the passenger seat even if i don't have a concealed permit


thank you all



i live in falls church virgina
 
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led for breakfast wrote:
ok thank you i will try it even when the gun is black as the night skyand the seats are black too
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So is my heart, but it is not hidden from common observation - I wear it on my sleeve.

You may OC a camo gun in a camo holster while wearing BDUs and sitting on camo seatcovers. You might be called a wannabe, but your gun is NOT concealed.

Yata hey
 
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Grapeshot wrote:
led for breakfast wrote:
ok thank you i will try it even when the gun is black as the night sky and the seats are black too
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So is my heart, but it is not hidden from common observation - I wear it on my sleeve.

You may OC a camo gun in a camo holster while wearing BDUs and sitting on camo seatcovers.  You might be called a wannabe, but your gun is NOT concealed.

      Yata hey
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Now that I disagree with because you are hiding the "true nature" of what you are carrying.. just like the North American Arms belt buckel pistol in PLAIN SITE have been considered concealed.. (because the reasonable man does not even know it is a real gun)>
Ed
 
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ed wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
led for breakfast wrote:
ok thank you i will try it even when the gun is black as the night skyand the seats are black too
Click to expand...
So is my heart, but it is not hidden from common observation - I wear it on my sleeve.

You may OC a camo gun in a camo holster while wearing BDUs and sitting on camo seatcovers. You might be called a wannabe, but your gun is NOT concealed.

Yata hey
Click to expand...
Now that I disagree with because you are hiding the "true nature" of what you are carrying.. just like the North American Arms belt buckel pistol in PLAIN SITE have been considered concealed.. (because the reasonable man does not even know it is a real gun)>
Ed
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The NAA belt buckle is deceiving - it looks like well, a belt buckle.

A camo 1911 like a camo AR15 still looks like a gun - no question in my mind. Its the same as black gun, in black inside the waist band holster, worn with black shirt.

I see nothing establishing that the color of the gun related to the color of the clothing makes any difference between OC and CC.

Yata hey
 
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Grapeshot wrote:
ed wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
led for breakfast wrote:
ok thank you i will try it even when the gun is black as the night skyand the seats are black too
Click to expand...
So is my heart, but it is not hidden from common observation - I wear it on my sleeve.

You may OC a camo gun in a camo holster while wearing BDUs and sitting on camo seatcovers. You might be called a wannabe, but your gun is NOT concealed.

Yata hey
Click to expand...
Now that I disagree with because you are hiding the "true nature" of what you are carrying.. just like the North American Arms belt buckel pistol in PLAIN SITE have been considered concealed.. (because the reasonable man does not even know it is a real gun)>
Ed
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The NAA belt buckle is deceiving - it looks like well, a belt buckle.

A camo 1911 like a camo AR15 still looks like a gun - no question in my mind. Its the same as black gun, in black inside the waist band holster, worn with black shirt.

I see nothing establishing that the color of the gun related to the color of the clothing makes any difference between OC and CC.

Yata hey
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I agree with Grapeshot here. His examples are spot on.
 
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ed wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
You may OC a camo gun in a camo holster while wearing BDUs and sitting on camo seatcovers. You might be called a wannabe, but your gun is NOT concealed.

Yata hey
Click to expand...
Now that I disagree with because you are hiding the "true nature" of what you are carrying.. just like the North American Arms belt buckel pistol in PLAIN SITE have been considered concealed.. (because the reasonable man does not even know it is a real gun)>
Ed
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Grapeshot-spot on:D

I Oc'ed @ the Fairfax County fair wearing all black to include gun and holster, the only thing that stood out was my GSL button.

I don't carry my permit (or ID)when I OC.


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Running the plates on my car wouldn't reveal that someone driving it has a permit.
 
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Agent19 wrote:
ed wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
You may OC a camo gun in a camo holster while wearing BDUs and sitting on camo seatcovers. You might be called a wannabe, but your gun is NOT concealed.

Yata hey
Click to expand...
Now that I disagree with because you are hiding the "true nature" of what you are carrying.. just like the North American Arms belt buckel pistol in PLAIN SITE have been considered concealed.. (because the reasonable man does not even know it is a real gun)>
Ed
Click to expand...

Grapeshot-spot on:D

I Oc'ed @ the Fairfax County fair wearing all black to include gun and holster, the only thing that stood out was my GSL button.

I don't carry my permit (or ID)when I OC.


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Running the plates on my car wouldn't reveal that someone driving it has a permit.
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May I suggest you reconsider doing this? The reason is this. What if you are within 1000' of a school doing this? Technically you are in violation of federal law and an LEO could arrest you for doing this.

And we really need you out and about and free to carry the cause.
 
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SouthernBoy wrote:
Agent19 wrote:
ed wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
You may OC a camo gun in a camo holster while wearing BDUs and sitting on camo seatcovers. You might be called a wannabe, but your gun is NOT concealed.

Yata hey
Click to expand...
Now that I disagree with because you are hiding the "true nature" of what you are carrying.. just like the North American Arms belt buckel pistol in PLAIN SITE have been considered concealed.. (because the reasonable man does not even know it is a real gun)>
Ed
Click to expand...

Grapeshot-spot on:D

I Oc'ed @ the Fairfax County fair wearing all black to include gun and holster, the only thing that stood out was my GSL button.

I don't carry my permit (or ID)when I OC.


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ETA:
Running the plates on my car wouldn't reveal that someone driving it has a permit.
Click to expand...
May I suggest you reconsider doing this? The reason is this. What if you are within 1000' of a school doing this? Technically you are in violation of federal law and an LEO could arrest you for doing this.

And we really need you out and about and free to carry the cause.
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Local LE enforces federal laws?

That and he did not say that he OCs indiscriminately.

Yata hey
 
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Citizen wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
led for breakfast wrote:
ok thank you i will try it even when the gun is black as the night skyand the seats are black too
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SNIP So is my heart, but it is not hidden from common observation - I wear it on my sleeve for all to see.
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QFT :):p
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In case there was any doubt, I fixed it.

Yata hey
 
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Grapeshot wrote:
led for breakfast wrote:
ok thank you i will try it even when the gun is black as the night skyand the seats are black too
Click to expand...
So is my heart, but it is not hidden from common observation - I wear it on my sleeve.

You may OC a camo gun in a camo holster while wearing BDUs and sitting on camo seatcovers. You might be called a wannabe, but your gun is NOT concealed.

Yata
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I gotta try that look its gotta be priceless !!!!!
 
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Grapeshot wrote:
SouthernBoy wrote:
Agent19 wrote:
ed wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
You may OC a camo gun in a camo holster while wearing BDUs and sitting on camo seatcovers. You might be called a wannabe, but your gun is NOT concealed.

Yata hey
Click to expand...
Now that I disagree with because you are hiding the "true nature" of what you are carrying.. just like the North American Arms belt buckel pistol in PLAIN SITE have been considered concealed.. (because the reasonable man does not even know it is a real gun)>
Ed
Click to expand...

Grapeshot-spot on:D

I Oc'ed @ the Fairfax County fair wearing all black to include gun and holster, the only thing that stood out was my GSL button.

I don't carry my permit (or ID)when I OC.


[line]

ETA:
Running the plates on my car wouldn't reveal that someone driving it has a permit.
Click to expand...
May I suggest you reconsider doing this? The reason is this. What if you are within 1000' of a school doing this? Technically you are in violation of federal law and an LEO could arrest you for doing this.

And we really need you out and about and free to carry the cause.
Click to expand...
Local LE enforces federal laws?

That and he did not say that he OCs indiscriminately.

Yata hey
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From what I understand county and local police would be expected to enforce this federal law, but I am not sure about this. Perhaps is why you almost never here of anyone being arrested for doing this.

I was just mentioning this so that people might know that it may not be a bad idea to carry one's permit as a "just in case" thing. If they happened to encounter an LEO who for whatever reason, just does not like citizens to be carrying guns, he might be looking for situations where he could make someone's life miserable. Carrying the law to the letter could save someone from such nonsense.

So I hope you're right in your questioning this one.
 
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SouthernBoy wrote:
And we really need you out and about and free to carry the cause.
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Thanks for the concern.:D

I don't see anywhere in thelaw where it states I have to have my permit on my person when I'm in a school GFZ, I just need to posses a valid one.

Beside I believe it is impossible to comply with the GFZ acts.

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Back to the OP's question:

I don't believe a firearm carried openly would be consider concealed when seated in a car or booth in a Restaurant/club.

IANALNDIPOOTBT.

 
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Agent19 wrote:
I don't see anywhere in thelaw where it states I have to have my permit on my person when I'm in a school GFZ, I just need to posses a valid one.

Beside I believe it is impossible to comply with the GFZ acts.

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but to carry concealed, you must have that permit on your person with a government issued photo id
 
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Agent19 wrote:
SouthernBoy wrote:
And we really need you out and about and free to carry the cause.
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Thanks for the concern.:D

I don't see anywhere in thelaw where it states I have to have my permit on my person when I'm in a school GFZ, I just need to posses a valid one.

Beside I believe it is impossible to comply with the GFZ acts.

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Back to the OP's question:

I don't believe a firearm carried openly would be consider concealed when seated in a car or booth in a Restaurant/club.

IANALNDIPOOTBT.
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Excellent! I just re-read U.S. Code 18,922, q.2.B.ii and it clearly states that the,

"..individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license"

As you pointed out, it does not say you must be carrying your "license" at the time you are carrying your firearm in the school zone. Great catch, Agent19!
 
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