brokenbarrel
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I would think that if someone was concerned enough about the performance of their 9MM to want +P+ ammo they would probably be better served by moving to a 357SIG and not having to worry about the beating their gun will take. How much of a difference does that extra "+" make? No shot being taken, just curious...
curtiswr, Good Glock info. Like I said in my first post I wasn't taking a shot at Glcok or SIG or even KEL TEC (because, those shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as +P+). Just passing on info, which caused you to throw out more info. Good.longshot wrote:A lot of gun dealers have heard a lot of things..40 Cal wrote:rashley wrote:5. Full grip (grip extensions attached to the clip don’t qualify, I want a full grip on the gun itself).
What's a clip?
CZ-85
Clip? Used to be for roaches ...or something. I have that pet peeve also...a magazine ain't something you read on a gun.
I recently bought a CZ 75. Likely too big for what the poster wants, but what a great gun. Was at the Chantilly, Va Gun Show Friday and asked my favorite dealer if the CZ 75 I had bought from him previously would handle 9mm +P+. His answer was that he'd heard of Glocks and Sigs and Kel Tecs having trouble with +P+, but never heard of that with a CZ. Went on to say they are rugged all steel guns that are built to last.
Ok, Glock and Sig guys I'm not taking a shot at those great guns, just saying what David told me. As for Kel Tec, anyone putting +P+ thru one is nuts. At most it'll take limited +P use and I won't even put one shot of that thru my P 11.
But here's this with regards to Glock and +P+ :
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=57653
Glock Armorer's manual states that the G19 and G17 are rated for ammo up to 43,500psi.
That's FAR in excess of any pressure numbers I've seen for commercial +P+ intended for pistol ammo.
On another forum, there's a Norwegian (the Norwegian military uses the Glock 17) who claims that the L7A1 (That's the Hirtenberger subgun ammo in the BATF warning) is commonly used in the G17 pistols.
He stated that it seems to reduce the pistol service life to around 50,000 rounds but that there have been no catastrophic failures.
For the record I'm not advocating the use of the L7A1 ammo in any pistol--just passing on an anecdote.
And:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=901559
Your owners manual will say any SAAMI or NATO Spec ammo.
+P+ is a designation for SAAMI member companies to use when they load over SAAMI specification. It is not a SAAMI or NATO specification.
But, the Glock Armorers Manual says that +P+ 9MM is fine in Glocks.
Look at the Para Ordnance Companion:My requirements are:
1. Auto
2. Not single-action only.
3. 9mm
4. Manual Safety
5. Full grip (grip extensions attached to the clip don’t qualify, I want a full grip on the gun itself).
6. Stainless, titanium, or polymer finish.
7. “Drop” safety.
8. External hammer (preferred).
9. Won’t break the bank (preferred).
+1. I love my KP95(stainless on polymer frame) Large frame IWB concealment easiest for a firearm this size.Ruger P95 would be a good choice. Very reliable for less than $400.
It's conceivable that there are some folks who feel that the criteria ought to be reconsidered. No harm in making suggestions, I reckon, as long as they be made in a civil manner.