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    What does everyone think about starting a cpl fund for members of M.O.C.?

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    How about this ...I'm just brainstorming here so bear with me.

    Say MOC sets up a fund to help people with their CPL fees. For round numbers let's a qualifying MOC member can get $100 from the fund. So for $300 MOC helps 3 people.

    Or, what if MOC pays the $300 to send someone through the CPL instructor course and that person agrees to give the class for free (with the exception of any materials cost) to any MOC member FOREVER. Now for the same $300 MOC has helped many people.

    I, for one, am very interested in becoming a CPL instructor but can't scrape up the $300 right now.

    Just a thought that popped into my head.

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    I am becoming a ffl dealer and was looking into becoming an cpl instructor also but like you said 300.00 is a little more then I can scrap up so maybe you have a good idea!!So how about a fund to make me and bronson cpl instructors and we will give the cpl class to moc members for free for life o(other then the supply cost)

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    Sounds like a great idea to me, Bronson and Cabman1. I'd certainly donate some cash for your training both to get my own cpl and to help others in the future. Just hope one of you would be doing a class in the saginaw area.

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    Im sure one of the 2 of us would do it I know I would.

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    Awesome!!!

    I'm to proud to beg but if I won the cpl lotto!! :celebrate

    It would be a very generous thing for MOC or any individual to do for fellow members to further the range of where they could go to educate others on the practice of open carry.

    Being a non-cpl open carry other than walks,bike rides and hiking it is in my view a hassle because of the "red tape" of places I can't go and the way it has to be done to not be unlawful.

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    Bronson wrote:
    How about this ...I'm just brainstorming here so bear with me.

    Say MOC sets up a fund to help people with their CPL fees. For round numbers let's a qualifying MOC member can get $100 from the fund. So for $300 MOC helps 3 people.

    Or, what if MOC pays the $300 to send someone through the CPL instructor course and that person agrees to give the class for free (with the exception of any materials cost) to any MOC member FOREVER. Now for the same $300 MOC has helped many people.

    I, for one, am very interested in becoming a CPL instructor but can't scrape up the $300 right now.

    Just a thought that popped into my head.

    Carry on.

    Bronson
    I think you've come up with one helluva great idea.

    Let me throw out a couple of ideas...

    Regional Instructors to avoid too many from one area. Like in an exclusive territory. Higher populated areas of course would have more than remote areas.
    Free classes to members of MOC in current standing.

    Also, since bronson came up with this brilliant idea, I would like to make the first donation, of fifty bucks, on his behalf. PM me contact/payment info.


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    I have 20 for a good cause, just don't forget me when classes start

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    bad idea.
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    i would love to get my cpl!!

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    send me info i'll send sum cash

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    jeremy05 wrote:
    bad idea.
    It is a "bad idea" because...???

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    what is the price of a cpl class?

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    Depending on where you take it, anywhere from 100-150 is the norm. Then the 105 registration for the CPL permit itself.

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    well let me know guys

    i need to get my cpl, but cash is low

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    OK, the instructor part is taken care of, but what about the LEO and Attorney part of the class? Won't you have to pay for them also? Or maybe you can find people to do those parts pro bono I told both my kids that when they wanted to take the CPL class, that I would pay for it. If they can take the class for free, I'd put in like amounts for this fund as it would benefit many more folks for the cost of educating just my two children. If they could find a class that wouldn't cause a hardship for travel(one is Houghton Co. and the other is presently in Oscoda Co.) So my question is, is there some one in these areas that would be willing to train and become a certified instructor?springerdave.

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    CV67PAT wrote:
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    bad idea.
    It is a "bad idea" because...???
    Just my opnion. Im not giving away my money so someone can get a free CPL. I find it hard to find a situation where someone can't afford a CPL themselves. Just seems lazy.

    So they can Afford a Gun, holster, ammo, hopefully training, a decent belt ( optional ). But people from here have to donate their hard earned cash? Well Not from me.



    How are you going to pick who gets the money? A Lotto? Whomever makes the biggest sob story?



    Hey Lets start a AMMO fund while we are at it!

    Is'nt this a OC forum anyways?
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    I would not have a problem handing over cash to someone in my children's areas if others could benefit from the service as well.
    The site is OC but as you know the CPL enhances the OC.

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    jeremy05 wrote:
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    bad idea.
    It is a "bad idea" because...???
    Just my opnion. Im not giving away my money so someone can get a free CPL. Then don't. I find it hard to find a situation where someone can't afford a CPL themselves. Rather elitist. Just seems lazy. Easy to say when you're bellied up to the government trough.

    So they can Afford a Gun, holster, ammo, hopefully training, a decent belt ( optional ). But people from here have to donate their hard earned cash? Only those with a desire. Well Not from me. That's fine.


    How are you going to pick who gets the money? A Lotto? Whomever makes the biggest sob story?



    Hey Lets start a AMMO fund while we are at it!

    Is'nt this a OC forum anyways? Yes, it is. However, a CPL in Michigan facilitates OC by removing restrictions on the possession and transport of a pistol.

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    CV67PAT wrote:
    jeremy05 wrote:
    CV67PAT wrote:
    jeremy05 wrote:
    bad idea.
    It is a "bad idea" because...???
    Just my opnion. Im not giving away my money so someone can get a free CPL. Then don't. I find it hard to find a situation where someone can't afford a CPL themselves. Rather elitist. Just seems lazy. Easy to say when you're bellied up to the government trough.

    So they can Afford a Gun, holster, ammo, hopefully training, a decent belt ( optional ). But people from here have to donate their hard earned cash? Only those with a desire. Well Not from me. That's fine.


    How are you going to pick who gets the money? A Lotto? Whomever makes the biggest sob story?



    Hey Lets start a AMMO fund while we are at it!

    Is'nt this a OC forum anyways? Yes, it is a forum for the exchange of information and ideas.



    Then don't.I'm not

    Rather elitist.I don't think so.

    Easy to say when you're bellied up to the government trough. not a nice way to say it! I worked my ass off for my job.

    Only those with a desire.Its their choice

    How are you going to pick who gets the money? A Lotto? Whomever makes the biggest sob story? How would you recommend doing this? Biggest Post count? Whom ever is best friends with the money holder?



    Hey Lets start a AMMO fund while we are at it! No Response?

    Is'nt this a OC forum anyways? Yes, it is a forum for the exchange of information and ideas.



    Freedom isn't free, but this is America! We will find a way to outsource it and save some money - Jeremy

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    In my opinion the money for defense and civil suit fund makes sense this doesnt. I dont feel welfare for cpl licenses is a good idea. Is a pistol fund next then an ammo fund, then a holster fund, then a going to the range fund. A fund is a good idea but not for licenses. Even though I feel we are strong armed with the fees if someone cant afford a CPL how can they afford everything else? I dont have a ton of money being in debt and trying to get out but I budgeted for my CPL and everything else and there is no reason others cant do it. Dont flame me this is just my opinion.

    How on earth would it even be fairly distributed when you get a million people in the welfare line. Or lazy cheap libs who drive a mercades in line? More bad here then good.

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    I agree with Mikestilly... I think this is a slippery slope and could quickly get out of hand and also could cause hard feelings.

    Defence fund I can see other than that I am not in agreement with this type of fund.

    If instructors want to cut MOC members a good deal on the class that also seems ok but a fund to pay for CPL's for people who cannot afford them seems like it could go south in a hurry...
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    I'm not comfortable with this idea either, as I don't see any oversight as to how the funds will be spent. Having said that, I am willing and would enjoy helping other members out, so I've created the following guidelines for myself:

    I'll donate $5 for a CPL class or application to any member with the following credentials, as funds permit:

    1) MOC member for 6+ months
    2) Contributed 100+ posts.
    3) Demonstrates 3+ picnics/events/police encounters/ordinances re-written


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    That is the way it should be... one person helping another... I know from my experience with the Gun Club that funds will come up missing or someone will feel that money is not being spent correctly and then we will have problems... I also worry some about the defense fund and feel it should be handled very carefully so that we don'r have problems along these lines as well!
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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    I think the spirit of this was to train CPL class INSTRUCTORS that would then educate as many as they could for free/plus materials so THOSE folks could then go get their own CPL. Am I wrong with that idea? Or was the intent of the OP to just pay for select members' CPL's?springerdave.

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