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    Where: Mark Cortis’s office. 1312 N. Campbell Royal Oak, MI 48067 Suite# 130 Wild West Academy

    An old google street view pic http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...res/office.jpg

    It's very easy to find, just south of 12 mile on Cambell, across the street from a school.
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    When: Saturday, October 31, 9:30 am

    What to bring: Lots of various CC and OC rigs and handguns.

    ***Handguns to be used in the movie MUST be unloaded, preferably with the slide locked back and in a case as an added safety precaution. ***

    Lunch will be available across the street at the Royal Cafe, but you can also pack one, or leave before then.


    I’ve mentioned before that I thought it would be a good idea to make a video on how to select a handgun and holster, or how to select a holster, or how to safely use what someone might already have. What happened to me last year with my CZ, and the ND incident that happened recently convinced me we should probably do it. So basically the main point here is to consider safety. Things like capacity and accuracy probably aren't so important to discuss.


    I was talking to Mark Cortis from the Wild West Academy CPL training school, and he agreed with me, saying that students ask him all the time about how to select a holster and/or handgun. He and I and a couple people he works with ate lunch today to talk about this. Everyone there agreed it would be a good idea. The thing is, they’re mostly concealed carriers, so doing this movie from the perspective of both CC and OC will require our assistance.

    The idea is that not only will it provide possible recruits to MOC, and business to the WWA, it could also provide useful information to anyone who looks it up on youtube. We’re planning on filming it with Mark’s VADO, which is a handy little HD video camera.

    As I said up top, if you come please bring lots of handguns and holsters so that they can all be compared. This is still in the planning stages, and any input is highly appreciated. We want to make a good and informative video. This is the rough draft of the outline I’ve made.


    Selecting a holster and handgun, a brief video by Michigan open carriers and the Wild West Academy.

    Approximately 30 minutes long, but longer if needed.

    Done as a panel discussion, with separate demonstrations on drawing techniques also with possible later live fire demos. To be edited and chopped up later, perhaps splicing the demo's straight into the panel discussion.

    Subjects will include, but are not limited to

    All types of holsters, and their safe, proper, and effective use. IWB, shoulder, OWB, all levels of retention holsters. Specific analysis on:
    - Cost
    - Safety
    - Comfort
    - Speed
    - Durability
    - Concealability and/or retention where applicable
    - How to use properly and what role it’s best suited for


    All types of decent handguns that someone might have, from a repro colt walker to a Ruger SR9, and how to carry them safely. Evaluating each for
    - Drop safety
    - Cost
    - Safe and proper carry condition
    - Proper ways to load and unload

    Also possible to go over will be magazine pouches and gun belts.


    Evil Creamsicle already told me he'd get involved, but who else is interested in helping?
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    Very cool.. Would it be something I could post on my open carry Youtube site?

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    Of course! Post it everywhere.
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    Well I only have one gun and I have to work then. :X But this is a great idea and I look forward to seeing this video. :celebrate

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    I would come but probably But you would't wanna use my cheap gun or holster.I know there will be alot of others joining in to help.Could we also get a copy I beleave we are going to try to start an introduction to ocing class.

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    Excellent idea, Michigander. You guys are consistentlydoing some swell things in the Great Lakes State.



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    Sounds like a good idea. I am in the area and would like to support this. I am sure that some of these are out there on YouTube, but some additional ones couldn't hurt.

    I would think that you could do the following shorts (1 video per topic, 5-10 minutes) (random.thoughts):

    1. Handgun Selection Pros/Cons Discussion (Semi-Auto or Revolver, Compact or Full Size, Minimum Caliber Size).
    2. Holster Selection Pros/Cons Discussion (Shoulder, Cross-Draw, Thigh, IWB, Paddle, etc) (Retention - Active/Passive).
    3. Carry Conditions Pros/Cons Discussion (http://www.sightm1911.com/Care/1911_conditions.htm)

    I have a Ruger GP100 4" with Galco Belt Holster and S&W M&P 9/45 with Galco IWB and Fobus Paddle Holsters.

    (Edited for clarity).
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    Does it have to be on Halloween? I get scared on that day, scared I won't get enough candy...haaaa BoooooooooooBoooooooooo.

    No, but really, on Halloween?

    I would like to come just to give a fat mans perspective on both OC and CC.
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    ALL perspectives are important! If you only have a Hi Point and an Uncle Mikes or something similar, and you have a system that works, then you have valid and important first hand knowledge that you can share if you want to. Or if you have 20 pistols and 60 holsters, you'll also have valid viewpoints.

    About the date, I don't know that anyone realized it was halloween. If that ends up being a problem for a lot of people, it could probably be postponed or scheduled sooner. But it pretty much has to be a Saturday for Mark.
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    If you only have a Hi Point and an Uncle Mikes


    howed he know what i have??

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    PDinDetroit wrote:
    Sounds like a good idea. I am in the area and would like to support this. I am sure that some of these are out there on YouTube, but some additional ones couldn't hurt.

    I would think that you could do the following shorts (1 video per topic, 5-10 minutes) (random.thoughts):

    1. Handgun Selection Pros/Cons Discussion (Semi-Auto or Revolver, Compact or Full Size, Minimum Caliber Size).
    2. Holster Selection Pros/Cons Discussion (Shoulder, Cross-Draw, Thigh, IWB, Paddle, etc) (Retention - Active/Passive).
    3. Carry Conditions Pros/Cons Discussion (http://www.sightm1911.com/Care/1911_conditions.htm)

    I have a Ruger GP100 4" with Galco Belt Holster and S&W M&P 9/45 with Galco IWB and Fobus Paddle Holsters.

    (Edited for clarity).
    I'm thinking the way to do this is fast, fast, fast. Brief introductions to guns and holsters that will give new comers fundamental knowledge without having to do research for weeks on end.

    That said, there is nothing to stop us from filming as much as we want to, and editing the garbage out later. So it's all good.

    Something else to consider is that we can add separate footage taken later, or ripped straight from youtube, and put it on the video.

    My main concern is to keep it very informative, but as snappy as possible. Making it some what entertaining would also be nice.
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    Michigander wrote:
    PDinDetroit wrote:
    Sounds like a good idea. I am in the area and would like to support this. I am sure that some of these are out there on YouTube, but some additional ones couldn't hurt.

    I would think that you could do the following shorts (1 video per topic, 5-10 minutes) (random.thoughts):

    1. Handgun Selection Pros/Cons Discussion (Semi-Auto or Revolver, Compact or Full Size, Minimum Caliber Size).
    2. Holster Selection Pros/Cons Discussion (Shoulder, Cross-Draw, Thigh, IWB, Paddle, etc) (Retention - Active/Passive).
    3. Carry Conditions Pros/Cons Discussion (http://www.sightm1911.com/Care/1911_conditions.htm)

    I have a Ruger GP100 4" with Galco Belt Holster and S&W M&P 9/45 with Galco IWB and Fobus Paddle Holsters.

    (Edited for clarity).
    I'm thinking the way to do this is fast, fast, fast. Brief introductions to guns and holsters that will give new comers fundamental knowledge without having to do research for weeks on end.

    That said, there is nothing to stop us from filming as much as we want to, and editing the garbage out later. So it's all good.

    Something else to consider is that we can add separate footage taken later, or ripped straight from youtube, and put it on the video.

    My main concern is to keep it very informative, but as snappy as possible. Making it some what entertaining would also be nice.
    My thought was that most people will not have the patience for more than 10 minutes per segment, especially if on YouTube. For a DVD, you could have each segment as a separate chapter that would play in order (one after another).
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    I am here to tell you that as teacher 10 min is perfect for a video. Any more and people have to be extremely interested to stay focused.

    This is coming from a teacher who instructs hands on learners... The kids the other teacher don't know what to do with
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    Sounds like a good idea to me. I'd be happy to show up and offer a female's perspective.

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    Oh and making a DVD ISO that is available for download from the MI open carry site would be a good idea as then any member could download it and burn a DVD for themselves or others.
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    Sure Michigander,

    I'll do everything I can to attend. Lets see, J-Frame in a pocket holster or belt holster, 1911 in a leather belt holster, M+P c in an IWB and a 92FS in a Serpa. And mag holsters for a few also. Should be interesting.

    (And I might even have enough belt room and/or belt holding power to do all of that at once without losing my drawers)

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    Radioman wrote:
    Sure Michigander,

    I'll do everything I can to attend.* Lets see, J-Frame in a pocket holster or belt holster, 1911 in a leather belt holster, M+P c in an IWB and a 92FS in a Serpa.* And mag holsters for a few also.* Should be interesting.*

    (And I might even have enough belt room and/or belt holding power to do all of that at once without losing my drawers)

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    Suspenders.... :celebrate
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    LOL ... that might give it away if I was to go in concealing all of that while wearing suspenders and a belt.

    With a few of the items that I normally wear in colder months I should be able to pull this off so long as I can keep my jeans up while doing so. :what:Wouldn't that give an anti a heart attack if they knew what we could do.

    Might have to try that tomorrow and see how it goes around the house before work. Guess that gives me a task to do in the morning. All of those with at least one reload for each concealed with normal colder weather dress minus an overcoat. See if I can actually do it. If I can, then show up that way for the video shoot and have the viewers (figuratively) guess how many guns and reloads I am carrying (maybe a panel member or two that doesnt read here also) then show them one at a time.

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    My CPL instructor did something similar and he managed to have 8 diff guns + at least one reload for each on or about his person with no one being the wiser!
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    bump
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    Mark and I have been emailing back and forth about this video.

    What we both agreed on at my suggestion, and he established as a rule since it's his property is that all guns to be used in the video MUST be unloaded. Slide locked back and in a case is what I suggest. Makes it easy and safe to take them out and set them on the table where we'll make the movie.


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    Michigander wrote:
    Mark and I have been emailing back and forth about this video.

    What we both agreed on at my suggestion, and he established as a rule since it's his property is that all guns to be used in the video MUST be unloaded. Slide locked back and in a case is what I suggest. Makes it easy and safe to take them out and set them on the table where we'll make the movie.

    Check Venators thread on the OC talk in Fowlerville. If you have the video done by nov 7th you could bring it along and we could set up a monitor to play it while folks are there. I know it's not much time and you could even shoot some of Brians talk to add if you felt that it would help.

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    I've got a new outline I typed out. I'm all for suggestions.







    Outline

    Intro, perhaps with footage and music spliced into it, perhaps with a blank colored screen and words going across it like credits on TV.

    Intro of those on camera, first with a brief explanation of the purpose of the video, and second where each individual introduces themselves, and quickly and without further comment says what they carry.

    When the main body of the film starts, a large assortment of handguns and holsters will be on the table laid out neatly. The handguns will be placed right by their holsters for neatness and convenience. The handguns must be unloaded and locked open, or have their cylinders swung out.

    Starting with the holsters, each holster will be gone over for how it is used. If possible, this will include a holster being in hand as it’s being discussed, as well as someone wearing another one to demonstrate how it’s used with an ASP red gun, or perhaps a pistol with the barrel removed. The following characteristics will be gone over for each.

    - Cost
    - Safety
    - Comfort
    - Speed
    - Durability
    - Concealability and/or retention where applicable
    - How to use properly and what role it’s best suited for


    Live fire demos and staged violent encounters can easily be spliced into this by having a blank screen that says “demo” and cutting to demo drawing and shooting using that rig.

    After that, pistols themselves and how appropriate and safe they are for use in specific holsters will be assessed by the group with the checklist.
    - Drop safety
    - Cost
    - Safe and proper carry condition
    - Proper ways to load and unload


    Gun belts and mag pouches can also be gone over at this point, if desired.

    The staged violent encounter footage to be spliced in later will be filmed at this point. This could also be used as stand alone youtube movie material with written or audio commentary. Whatever seems to work well.

    Conclusion with some silly line like “Stay armed, stay safe, and thanks for watching”.

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    autosurgeon wrote:
    I am here to tell you that as teacher 10 min is perfect for a video. Any more and people have to be extremely interested to stay focused.

    This is coming from a teacher who instructs hands on learners... The kids the other teacher don't know what to do with
    Will this fit within the 10 min window???

    What type of video/audio equipment will you have?

    Are you thinking a normal background (room you are filming in) or will you green-screen and matte in another background later (or only for specific segments)?

    What video editing studio software are you using or who would be doing that?


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    I would say as long as the video is broken into more or less uniform 10 minute segments or chapters it will be fine...
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