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I made a little boy cry today...

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David.Car wrote:
FunkTrooper wrote:
Wait wait, you BOTH have Five Sevens?!?!

Pics?
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The 5.7 is a very very interesting firearm... For that reason alone I want one (that and the libs hating it) but I don't believe in it as a personal defense sidearm.

The round has been used very successfully in law enforcement but out of the rifle build. The rounds just don't expand very well and don't penetrate that deep for me to be comfortable with it as a carry piece.
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The Five Seven has a cult following. The ball ammo tumbles like a NATO 5,56 round
The 197 round has a blue tip and makes the bullet explode. I have shot at level 3 vest with the 192 round at 75 feet and the bullet went through like paper.
Then there is a ammo company that pushes the envelope for the 5.7 hand gun
http://eliteammunition.com/
 
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I would trust my Fiveseven over a 9MM or .40SW any day. I only carry a Fiveseven or a Glock20 in 10MM. my backup gun is a Glock 29 in 10MM, only because they don't make a compact Fiveseven.
 
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Metalhead47 wrote:
No, not beating myself up. Just feel really really sorry for this poor kid. Barely out of diapers & already conditioned to a life of dependency.

I've been reading that "Patriots: A novel of survival" book that last couple weeks. I know I'm way behind the curve on such matters but it's like I'm walking around in awe at all the people I come across every day who lack the slightest shred of self reliance. And to see them passing this mindset on to theirs kids instead of saying "don't be like me son," it's just damn sad.
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That is so true. I was raised to believe that you just don't ask others for help (including doctors) unless you are on your death bed. I'm not quite as bad like that as my mother used to be, but still today's society is so against self reliance. I don't think the current presidential administration is going to help in that regards at all, either.
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I'm surprised to hear someone in the Navy especially an officer say something like that.


Don't be surprised, FunkTrooper. Officers are people too!
 
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n16ht5 wrote:
I would trust my Fiveseven over a 9MM or .40SW any day. I only carry a Fiveseven or a Glock20 in 10MM. my backup gun is a Glock 29 in 10MM, only because they don't make a compact Fiveseven.
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This post reeks of "tacticool" you have me laughing. ONLY carry a 5.7 or 10mm. HA.

Could you pick two extreme ends? The 5.7x28 is comparable to a .22wm while a 10mm is over the top power.

The only thing the 5.7 has going for it is it's ability to fire multiple shots quickly due to low recoil, and its vest penetration ability. Other then that it is a useless round. That is why it has a use for LEO in the rifle format. They don't have to worry about rounds going through the bad guy because its penetration distance is barely adequate, yet they can use it in burst or full auto due to the low recoil.

As a pistol round it is crap. It will kill any bad guy as good as any round with one in the heart or the brain, but other then that you are going in with a less then prefered round. Why use birdshot in your shotgun when buckshot is available? Why use 5.7 in a hand gun when 9mm, .40 and .45 all have VASTLY superior results?
 
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:dude: sorry, but my pistol doesn't resemble this..

gunporn-glock26-tacticool.jpg


grow up now.
the fiveseven isn't a 22wmr.

10mm is not over the top. it's not even as much power as a 44mag, which is what I would consider a good all around..
 
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David.Car wrote:
n16ht5 wrote:
I would trust my Fiveseven over a 9MM or .40SW any day. I only carry a Fiveseven or a Glock20 in 10MM. my backup gun is a Glock 29 in 10MM, only because they don't make a compact Fiveseven.
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This post reeks of "tacticool" you have me laughing. ONLY carry a 5.7 or 10mm. HA.

Could you pick two extreme ends? The 5.7x28 is comparable to a .22wm while a 10mm is over the top power.

The only thing the 5.7 has going for it is it's ability to fire multiple shots quickly due to low recoil, and its vest penetration ability. Other then that it is a useless round. That is why it has a use for LEO in the rifle format. They don't have to worry about rounds going through the bad guy because its penetration distance is barely adequate, yet they can use it in burst or full auto due to the low recoil.

As a pistol round it is crap. It will kill any bad guy as good as any round with one in the heart or the brain, but other then that you are going in with a less then prefered round. Why use birdshot in your shotgun when buckshot is available? Why use 5.7 in a hand gun when 9mm, .40 and .45 all have VASTLY superior results?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgXK8SOpvpc

Bigger is not necessarily better. The 5.7 round has shown itself to be extremely effective in wound profiles, not overpentrating, et cetera. The round is designed to tumble upon penetration of flesh, which is what sets it apart from .22 LR or WMR. The fact is, you can check ballistic gelatin reports, see its use by police force, etc - it's an effective round.

On the other hand, it's more expensive than the 9mm I carry, both for the pistol and the ammo. There's a definite trade off to be made in that regard, but don't dismiss it outright. The round can be and is extremely effective, as are many of the available self defense rounds (9mm, .40, .45, 10mm, etc).
 
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I love O.C.D.O.
This is the forum were we can discuss little boys crying to the ballistics of the 5.8X28 round and perhaps The rock group Creed.
 
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Tawnos wrote:
The fact is, you can check ballistic gelatin reports, see its use by police force, etc - it's an effective round.
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I will trust in the ballistics gel studies and the people who study ballistics:

Dr. Roberts (student of the Army Wound Ballistic Research Laboratory),

"The early 5.7 x 28 mm 23 gr FMJ bullet fired by the FN P-90 had insufficient penetration for law enforcement and military use. The current 31 gr SS-190 FMJ bullet has nearly adequate penetration, but the wound resulting from this projectile has a relatively small permanent crush cavity, as well as an insignificant temporary stretch cavity. Although the 5.7 x 28 mm penetrates soft body armor, wounding potential is at best like a .22 LR or .22 MagnumEven 9mm NATO FMJ makes a larger wound"

"Standard 9 mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP JHP loads crush more tissue, offer ideal penetration, and are equally likely to not exit the opponent as the 5.7 mm. 5.56 mm and 6.8 mm weapons offer significantly superior terminal effects compared to 5.7 mm. Bottom line—what does the P90 offer that is not already available?"



Why put yourself at a disadvantage from the start.
 
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BUT BUT....it's soooooo COOL! :p

Seriously.....the only reason people even know about this round is because the P-90 is "futuristic" looking, so they used it on Stargate extensively. And people went, "That's cool, I gotta get me one of those!"

But the reality is.....it sucks. Give me a .308 battle rifle any day over a pea shooter.
 
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FunkTrooper wrote:
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I was raised to believe that you just don't ask others for help (including doctors) unless you are on your death bed. I'm not quite as bad like that as my mother used to be, but still today's society is so against self reliance. I don't think the current presidential administration is going to help in that regards at all, either.
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I'm surprised to hear someone in the Navy especially an officer say something like that.
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What ?!?!?!
 
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compmanio365 wrote:
BUT BUT....it's soooooo COOL! :p

Seriously.....the only reason people even know about this round is because the P-90 is "futuristic" looking, so they used it on Stargate extensively. And people went, "That's cool, I gotta get me one of those!"

But the reality is.....it sucks. Give me a .308 battle rifle any day over a pea shooter.
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+1 on 7.62x51 Battle Rifle !

- L1A1, M-14, G-3 etc... Love em all.

:dude:Bat
 
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compmanio365 wrote:
BUT BUT....it's soooooo COOL! :p

Seriously.....the only reason people even know about this round is because the P-90 is "futuristic" looking, so they used it on Stargate extensively. And people went, "That's cool, I gotta get me one of those!"

But the reality is.....it sucks. Give me a .308 battle rifle any day over a pea shooter.
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The fact that you know this makes you a nerd:p
 
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phone guy wrote:
I love O.C.D.O.
This is the forum were we can discuss little boys crying to the ballistics of the 5.8X28 round and perhaps The rock group Creed.
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Well this thread certainly has gone off on a tangent, that's for sure. But at least no one's bashing HiPoints anymore :celebrate
 
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Metalhead47 wrote:
phone guy wrote:
I love O.C.D.O.
This is the forum were we can discuss little boys crying to the ballistics of the 5.8X28 round and perhaps The rock group Creed.
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Well this thread certainly has gone off on a tangent, that's for sure. But at least no one's bashing HiPoints anymore :celebrate
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Now that you mention it... :p
 
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The OP's wife giggling over the kid crying cracked me up.


FWIW the 10mm IS over the top unless you can get 3 zombies to line up in a row. =P
 
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Metalhead47 wrote:
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You didn't make the little dweeb cry, his parents did. They chose to raise him to be afraid of firearms. Don't beat yourself up over it.

That said, it might have been the highpoint. ;)
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No, not beating myself up. Just feel really really sorry for this poor kid. Barely out of diapers & already conditioned to a life of dependency.

I've been reading that "Patriots: A novel of survival" book that last couple weeks. I know I'm way behind the curve on such matters but it's like I'm walking around in awe at all the people I come across every day who lack the slightest shred of self reliance. And to see them passing this mindset on to theirs kids instead of saying "don't be like me son," it's just damn sad.
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I happened to see this book at Barnes and Noble. Opened it up to the middle and read a basic laundry list of conspiracy theories in a matter of one page. I couldn't help but laugh.

UN troops on U.S. soil? check
Puppet Government set up? check
Gun control and confiscations? check
New nongold backed currency? check

All, seriously, in a span on two pages. And I opened it up randomly.

So other than the horrid writing is the book any good?
 
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