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    We had a successful OC meet at the Redlands State Street Market Night last month and some suggested at the Temecula meet that we do it again. So I'm proposing that we meet for the coming Market Night this Thursday, October 8th. 6:30pm should be a good time.

    We will be meeting in the Redlands Mall parking lot in the southwest corner near the Gottschalks building. There is usually plenty of parking in that area between 6 and 6:30. I am including a map to show the approximate meeting area (blue dot) as well as the no-go 1000-foot school zones in the area (overlaid in red). You will have to stay north of Citrus street and west of 9th street to stay out of the zones. Everywhere else is fine. Redlands PD is always present at Market Night so you should expect to get 12031(e) checked although we were not at last month's meeting.

    Anyone who wishes to attend please post in this thread and I will PM you with a phone number you can call in case you get lost or are late to the meeting. We will probably be in the area until 9pm or so. If you are able, you should print out a number of the open carry brochures and flyers that are available on the California forum to hand out to people curious about open carry. I look forward to seeing you all there.
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    The last meet at Market Night went great. Lets hope this one goes just as well.

    See you all there!

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    Please take the map down, as it may be used as evidence if one of the attendees happens into the "red zone" by mistake. No need to make conviction easy. (Remember, unfriendly types lurk here.)

    I suggest instead of posting maps, simply offer that you have one available, then send it via e-mail or PM.
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    I'm going to leave it up because I don't want someone to park their car in the red zone. As long as you park in the mall parking lot and stay on State street up to 9th street, you'll be OK. All of Orange street is also OK. We will be going as a group, and there's really no reason to go into the red zone except maybe to park, and I pointed out on the map where the best place to park is.
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    FYI open parking lots are not considered "private property".

    Has your map been changed to accommodate this?
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    demnogis wrote:
    FYI open parking lots are not considered "private property".

    Has your map been changed to accommodate this?
    As the parking lot is not within 1,000 feet of school property, and they are carrying UOC, what does private property have to do with anything?



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    I will be there pending long work day! Hope to see you all there!

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    guitrman1001 wrote:
    I will be there pending long work day!* Hope to see you all there!

    Guit
    You missed the last one, just make up some excuse and get out of work early this time!
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    I thought the map he had posted... all of the red area was within GFSZ and that the parking lot was not redded out because it was "private property".

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    demnogis wrote:
    FYI open parking lots are not considered "private property".

    Has your map been changed to accommodate this?
    As the parking lot is not within 1,000 feet of school property, and they are carrying UOC, what does private property have to do with anything?
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    Wish I could go, weekdays are tough though. Have a great time. Carry On!
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    This is happening tonight so if anyone else wants to go, either post in this thread or show up at 6:30. I was hoping we would get a bigger group than last month but so far it's pretty much the same bunch. See you all there.
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    Hey guys thanks for going I had a great time... "E" check went the way it should...
    .... no razzing me cause I gave my first name ok!!!!

    I thought it was great how you gave the Citizens Patrol people that called us in... a flyer! That was comical.

    Did you guys get the same feeling as I did those kids in the store we got our drinks
    from was up to something till they saw us? LOL

    All and all a great night!!

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    details...I need more details...audio, video, etc. Anybody else get e-checked?
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    guitrman1001 wrote:
    ...the Citizens Patrol people that called us in...
    Yes, more details. I want to hear about this part.
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    Wewd, Guitarman, his girlfriend and I were standing around near a couple of RPD Citizens Patrol volunteers when they notice Wewd's gun.

    We start walking past them and they see that three of us are carrying,we can also hear the woman RPDCP calling something in on her radio... we figured she was calling the real cops but just kept on walking.

    Three or four minuets later we notice a LEO fast walk right past us on or left side and he went past us about 10-15 yards until one of the RPDCP ran over to him and pointed back at us. lol

    He came back to where we were and asked us how we were and to step over to the side a bit so we wouldn't be right in the middle of were everyone was walking. He asked us if we were part of the open carry thing and we told him yes we were unloaded open carrying.

    He said that was fine but that he just needed to check that the guns were unloaded and that we would be on our way. He e-checked all three of our guns really quick and left.

    What was funny is that there was this small crowd watching us and we could hear some kids saying that we were getting busted and then their looks when the LEO just handed back our guns. lol

    I think the only reason we got e-checked was because the RPDCP called it in. We had already walked by 7-8 LEO's and they either didn't see or care. Same as a few weeks ago.

    On the walk back the other way we saw the same RPDCP's and Wewd and I walked over to them. As we came up I handed them a couple of pamphlets and talked to them for a bit.

    They said that they've had training on UOC and that the only reason the called it in was because they saw the magazine in the well of Wewd's gun and they couldn't tell if it was unloaded.

    We talked for a few minutes and shook hands.

    All in all a very good outing.





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    Here's a photo from the meetup tonight.
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    We had a great meet. We passed out a number of brochures and flyers to citizens but not nearly as many as we did at the Temecula meet. We did get e-checked by the Redlands PD. The officer was very professional and definitely knew the deal on open carry and e-checks. He didn't question us or lecture us, just checked our weapons and asked if we minded giving our names to which some of us () declined. The officer did have trouble getting my Glock out of the Safariland holster and I had to remove it for him. Afterwards we were on our way again. It's good to see that Redlands PD is up on open carry especially after previous comments by the Chief of Police there. We gave brochures to the RPD Citizen's Patrol who called us in, who said they had read about open carry but were not totally up on the laws and procedures. They were all very nice and didn't come off as anti-carry or anything like that. Even though I believe that e-checks are unconstitutional (as is the requirement to carry unloaded) it went as well as it possibly could.
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    Soundslike a good encounter (and good time). Now if we can get them to forego the optional e-checks that would be great.
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    I love that part about the kids being educated!

    It just hit me...A small but goodby-product of the 12031(e) check is that LEO are actually participating in an education of those on-lookers!

    It's like they're giving their stamp of approval by handing your firearm back to you in front of the general public; instead of someone thinking thatofficerjust didn't see or the general public not noticing you.

    A real-live educational skit about open carry made possible by a 12031(e) check!

    Never thought of it that way. :what:
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    Sons of Liberty wrote:
    I love that part about the kids being educated!

    It just hit me...A small but goodby-product of the 12031(e) check is that LEO are actually participating in an education of those on-lookers!

    It's like they're giving their stamp of approval by handing your firearm back to you in front of the general public; instead of someone thinking thatofficerjust didn't see or the general public not noticing you.

    A real-live educational skit about open carry made possible by a 12031(e) check!

    Never thought of it that way. :what:
    Good point. But, did you just take some sort of positive thinking seminar?! You actually turned something really bad, into something...well (gulp) good.
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    demnogis wrote:
    FYI open parking lots are not considered "private property".

    Has your map been changed to accommodate this?
    Citation?

    Since when does having an open lot involve forfeiting ownership rights?

    Or did you mean that private property can be considered a "public place" when it is open to the public?
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    Or did you mean that private property can be considered a "public place" when it is open to the public?
    This one. This is what Theseus is dealing with right now. Until we get some case law in our favor (give 'em hell Theseus!), "open to the public" is a pitfall for UOCing on non-enclosed, private property that may be close to a GFSZ or within a GFSZ.
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    demnogis wrote:
    Or did you mean that private property can be considered a "public place" when it is open to the public?
    This one.* This is what Theseus is dealing with right now. Until we get some case law in our favor (give 'em hell Theseus!), "open to the public" is a pitfall for UOCing on non-enclosed, private property that may be close to a GFSZ or within a GFSZ.
    Kind of. There is a solid legal distinction between private property and public place even though they can over lap and the public place terminology does not apply to GFSZ's. If Theseus's case goes bad it will be a new redefinition of private property that will fly in the face of all current legal precedent and understanding. In the ruling where sidewalks are ruled to not be private property for the purposes of GFSZ's, the judge even alluded to the fact that if the appellant was on the front lawn instead of the sidewalk the charge would not apply.

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    demnogis wrote:
    ...Until we get some case law in our favor (give 'em hell Theseus!), "open to the public" is a pitfall for UOCing on non-enclosed, private property that may be close to a GFSZ or within a GFSZ.
    Actually, it's the opposite. The law is already in our favor, so we don't need to wait for case law. But you are correct in the sense that we need to be cautious until we find out if the courts decide to "make new law" that makes this law "not in our favor" any longer.

    While I'm very confident Thesues will be vindicated in the end, it may be some time until that happens. Until then, we have to be wary that some DAs think this is a great way to **** with us.
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