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demnogis wrote:

FYI open parking lots are not considered "private property".

Has your map been changed to accommodate this?

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Citation?

Since when does having an open lot involve forfeiting ownership rights?

Or did you mean that private property can be considered a "public place" when it is open to the public?

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Or did you mean that private property can be considered a "public place" when it is open to the public?

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This one. This is what Theseus is dealing with right now. Until we get some case law in our favor (give 'em hell Theseus!), "open to the public" is a pitfall for UOCing on non-enclosed, private property that may be close to a GFSZ or within a GFSZ.

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demnogis wrote:

Or did you mean that private property can be considered a "public place" when it is open to the public?

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This one.  This is what Theseus is dealing with right now. Until we get some case law in our favor (give 'em hell Theseus!), "open to the public" is a pitfall for UOCing on non-enclosed, private property that may be close to a GFSZ or within a GFSZ.

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Kind of. There is a solid legal distinction between private property and public place even though they can over lap and the public place terminology does not apply to GFSZ's. If Theseus's case goes bad it will be a new redefinition of private property that will fly in the face of all current legal precedent and understanding. In the ruling where sidewalks are ruled to not be private property for the purposes of GFSZ's, the judge even alluded to the fact that if the appellant was on the front lawn instead of the sidewalk the charge would not apply.

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demnogis wrote:

...Until we get some case law in our favor (give 'em hell Theseus!), "open to the public" is a pitfall for UOCing on non-enclosed, private property that may be close to a GFSZ or within a GFSZ.

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Actually, it's the opposite. The law is already in our favor, so we don't need to wait for case law. But you are correct in the sense that we need to be cautious until we find out if the courts decide to "make new law" that makes this law "not in our favor" any longer.

While I'm very confident Thesues will be vindicated in the end, it may be some time until that happens. Until then, we have to be wary that some DAs think this is a great way to **** with us.