Blacksburg OC police response

N6ATF · Oct 7, 2009

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Aha, one cop, so relaxed he made himself an easy target (by sitting in an open car) had there been actual criminals afoot, multiple reports supposedly, "big group of kids"?

It sounds like the story is there was an organized group of callers, who may have been kids or parents with kids, or was your group being accused of being the kids?

How likely is that? They're so threatened that they call 911 as a group and nobody takes cover, kids or not, creates a ruckus by running away, possibly screaming, sounds winded to dispatch to justify an escalation above one relaxed officer?

The claimed reports to police don't come anywhere close to the response from police. Therefore, I postulate that they're full of it and just looking for OCers.

mpg9999 · Oct 7, 2009

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N6ATF wrote:

Aha, one cop, so relaxed he made himself an easy target (by sitting in an open car) had there been actual criminals afoot, multiple reports supposedly, "big group of kids"?

It sounds like the story is there was an organized group of callers, who may have been kids or parents with kids, or was your group being accused of being the kids?

How likely is that? They're so threatened that they call 911 as a group and nobody takes cover, kids or not, creates a ruckus by running away, possibly screaming, sounds winded to dispatch to justify an escalation above one relaxed officer?

The claimed reports to police don't come anywhere close to the response from police. Therefore, I postulate that they're full of it and just looking for OCers.

I've never had any issues with the Blacksburg PD while OC'ing. They seem to know the law and don't harass us. I guess we will find out more when I file a FOIA request.

Bill in VA · Oct 8, 2009

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Nightrunner · Oct 8, 2009

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Since N6 seems to think he knows what happened, allow me to retell, as I was the one OC'ing (first time doing it too).

I showed up to the parking lot, with the majority of people there already. Firearm on my strong side, I got out/walked around and talked to friends. Majority of the time my arms were crossed on my chest (first time OC'ing so I didn’t know where to put my hands) and I purposefully kept my strong side away from the building to inhibit stares from inside. In that time period there were two older drivers that had entered the lot that displayed a full head turn/wide eye/mouthed stare that were very obviously going much slower than they should have. Past that, there was a lot of standing around, people asking me questions, hands never once going near it. When we were all ready to leave, I got in my car and left. No police interaction, no harassment, no “waving around.”

First time I heard of the police showing up was later that night after someone informed the two that I was indeed OC’ing. I wasn’t in direct view of the grocery store (maybe was viewable by two smaller stores next to it), and the fact I actively attempted to keep that side from facing the building leads me to believe someone from the parking lot saw me, went inside and informed a store manager (this is just my speculation based on what I personally saw / did). And based on the first hand account of the interaction with the Officer that arrived, there was no harassment, he imply responded to a call, asked if they seen anything (as he should have), and left.

wylde007 · Oct 8, 2009

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Nightrunner wrote:

first time OC'ing so I didn’t know where to put my hands

You know... after OCing for several years I STILL don't know where to put my hands sometimes!

On my Glock I'll sometimes rest my thumbpit on the backstrap right below the slide... but then I get nervous that I'm slowly pulling my own pants down!

:lol:

fully_armed_biker · Oct 8, 2009

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The officer's story is suspect, at best. His statement..."We received a call from some people..." What did they do, pass the phone around in the store? NO...they got a call from someone. If the call was as the officer said...30 kids waving guns around in the parking lot...In BLACKSBURG where the VT shootings were...there would have been a mutual aid call go out to every police dept for 100 miles, the VSP, hell...they would have called out the National Guard...not send one lowly patrolman to "check it out." The truth is probably more like they got a call from someone that said there were about 30 kids in the parking lot and some of them were carrying guns.

buster81 · Oct 8, 2009

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Nightrunner wrote:

Since N6 seems to think he knows what happened, allow me to retell, as I was the one OC'ing (first time doing it too).

I showed up to the parking lot, with the majority of people there already. Firearm on my strong side, I got out/walked around and talked to friends. Majority of the time my arms were crossed on my chest (first time OC'ing so I didn’t know where to put my hands) and I purposefully kept my strong side away from the building to inhibit stares from inside. In that time period there were two older drivers that had entered the lot that displayed a full head turn/wide eye/mouthed stare that were very obviously going much slower than they should have. Past that, there was a lot of standing around, people asking me questions, hands never once going near it. When we were all ready to leave, I got in my car and left. No police interaction, no harassment, no “waving around.”

First time I heard of the police showing up was later that night after someone informed the two that I was indeed OC’ing. I wasn’t in direct view of the grocery store (maybe was viewable by two smaller stores next to it), and the fact I actively attempted to keep that side from facing the building leads me to believe someone from the parking lot saw me, went inside and informed a store manager (this is just my speculation based on what I personally saw / did). And based on the first hand account of the interaction with the Officer that arrived, there was no harassment, he imply responded to a call, asked if they seen anything (as he should have), and left.

This might have been like one of those games you play as a child. You whisper a story into your friends ear, and by the time it goes around the circle, the story is totally different.

I bet the wide eyed, gaping mouth drivers from the parking lot said something to a store employee, whotold 911 what he thought he heard, who dispatched police with what he thought the caller said, who relayed what they thought the story was to your friend, who reported here.

MSC 45ACP · Oct 8, 2009

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It always amazes me when someoneon the Lefty coast has something to say about an event that happened in Virginia. Don't they have anything else to do? I would thinkthey're busy enough walking around with unloaded weapons and getting harassed by cops that want to "make sure" their guns are unloaded.

Poorbastages... I honestly feel sorry for them. I hope they practice quick-loading when they go to the range. Can they carry loaded magazines (or speedloaders for revolvers)in pouches on their belts or in a pocket? I'm sure THAT makes them more safe! :quirky:quirky:quirky

"Quick-loading" under stress would be more dangerous to the shooter than just carrying a loaded weapon. WHOSE silly idea was this idiotic law, anyway? Probablythe same politician that outlawed some guns becuase "they just look evil" and have safety features like flash supressors and sheet metal heat guards to protect the shooter from burning themselves on a hot barrel.

Their silly OC-Unloaded law really amazes me. I'm sure their crime rate has REALLY gone down since that enacted THAT SillyAzz law!:banghead:

<stepping down from soapbox>

Grapeshot · Oct 8, 2009

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MSC 45ACP wrote:

It always amazes me when someoneon the Lefty coast has something to say about an event that happened in Virginia. Don't they have anything else to do? I would thinkthey're busy enough walking around with unloaded weapons and getting harassed by cops that want to "make sure" their guns are unloaded.

Poorbastages... I honestly feel sorry for them. I hope they practice quick-loading when they go to the range. Can they carry loaded magazines (or speedloaders for revolvers)in pouches on their belts or in a pocket? I'm sure THAT makes them more safe! :quirky:quirky:quirky

"Quick-loading" under stress would be more dangerous to the shooter than just carrying a loaded weapon. WHOSE silly idea was this idiotic law, anyway? Probablythe same politician that outlawed some guns becuase "they just look evil" and have safety features like flash supressors and sheet metal heat guards to protect the shooter from burning themselves on a hot barrel.

Their silly OC-Unloaded law really amazes me. I'm sure their crime rate has REALLY gone down since that enacted THAT SillyAzz law!:banghead:

<stepping down from soapbox>

Its OK to get up on your soapbox every now and then. At least when you get down, you don't have to step in the kitty litter box of Kalifoniia.

OC of a fancy paper weight makes little sense unless you consider the alternatives.

Yata hey

N6ATF · Oct 8, 2009

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Bill in VA wrote:

N6ATF wrote:

Aha, one cop, so relaxed he made himself an easy target (by sitting in an open car) had there been actual criminals afoot, multiple reports supposedly, "big group of kids"?

It sounds like the story is there was an organized group of callers, who may have been kids or parents with kids, or was your group being accused of being the kids?

How likely is that? They're so threatened that they call 911 as a group and nobody takes cover, kids or not, creates a ruckus by running away, possibly screaming, sounds winded to dispatch to justify an escalation above one relaxed officer?

The claimed reports to police don't come anywhere close to the response from police. Therefore, I postulate that they're full of it and just looking for OCers.

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N6,you need to leave your left coast anti-police cop-baiting attitude backon your own side of the country...go hang out with smoking357 so you'll have something to talk about. Like it or not, police do have to respond when called, and (again, like it or not) police are generally regular guys like the majority of us are. They have a job to do; don't fault them when they do it. Based on what the OP has said (twice now) it appears your comments are unwarranted and unwanted.

EOM

Nightrunner wrote:

Since N6 seems to think he knows what happened, allow me to retell, as I was the one OC'ing (first time doing it too).

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And based on the first hand account of the interaction with the Officer that arrived, there was no harassment, he imply responded to a call, asked if they seen anything (as he should have), and left.

Based on what the OP has said (twice now), the single police officer's story of responding to reports of multiple parties criminally brandishing makes ZERO sense. This is the equivalent of the fire department getting multiple calls from employees of an industrial plant reporting an explosion and dust fire, and the FD sending one engine and just the engineer running in with a fire extinguisher. Would not happen with the reports claimed.

Nope, police have no duty to respond. This is repeated so often on this forum, I don't know how you could say they do with a straight face. Castle Rock v. Gonzales, Warren v. District of Columbia, et al.

fully_armed_biker wrote:

The officer's story is suspect, at best. His statement..."We received a call from some people..." What did they do, pass the phone around in the store? NO...they got a call from someone. If the call was as the officer said...30 kids waving guns around in the parking lot...In BLACKSBURG where the VT shootings were...there would have been a mutual aid call go out to every police dept for 100 miles, the VSP, hell...they would have called out the National Guard...not send one lowly patrolman to "check it out." The truth is probably more like they got a call from someone that said there were about 30 kids in the parking lot and some of them were carrying guns.

Yep, it's only people in CA who have critical thinking skills. NOT.

N6ATF · Oct 8, 2009

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MSC 45ACP wrote:

It always amazes me when someoneon the Lefty coast has something to say about an event that happened in Virginia. Don't they have anything else to do? I would thinkthey're busy enough walking around with unloaded weapons and getting harassed by cops that want to "make sure" their guns are unloaded.

Poorbastages... I honestly feel sorry for them. I hope they practice quick-loading when they go to the range. Can they carry loaded magazines (or speedloaders for revolvers)in pouches on their belts or in a pocket? I'm sure THAT makes them more safe! :quirky:quirky:quirky

"Quick-loading" under stress would be more dangerous to the shooter than just carrying a loaded weapon. WHOSE silly idea was this idiotic law, anyway? Probablythe same politician that outlawed some guns becuase "they just look evil" and have safety features like flash supressors and sheet metal heat guards to protect the shooter from burning themselves on a hot barrel.

Their silly OC-Unloaded law really amazes me. I'm sure their crime rate has REALLY gone down since that enacted THAT SillyAzz law!:banghead:

<stepping down from soapbox>

The law (Mulford Act) came about because black people dared to defend themselves, their communities, and against police brutality. The law itself is a hate crime, not silly at all.

MSC 45ACP · Oct 8, 2009

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N6ATF wrote:

The law (Mulford Act) came about because black people dared to defend themselves, their communities, and against police brutality. The law itself is a hate crime, not silly at all.

Now THERE is an OXYMORONical.. "Hate Crime"... When a white person does something to a black person, its a "hate crime". When a black person does something to a white person, it isn't.

It's the White Man Keeping The Black Man Down" and he is being OPRESSED! I've witnessed far more "Hate" by blacks toward whites than I have the other way around. In my kids' schools, blacks account for about 10-15% of the total number of students. Why, then are they responsible for 80-90% of the infractions and crime committed? Is that racist? Please tell me WHY it is ok for a black child to physically intimidate my daughter and call her names like "wheat thin" and "honkey", but if she DARE use the "n" word, she is racist? Why is it ok for black students to call each other the 'n' word, but if anyone ELSE uses that racial slur they get crucified for it!

I am sick and tired of the double standard in our school and in life. Someone calls the idiot what he is (A Socialist) and some spork comes up with some silliness that callin someone "Socialist" (An accurate description, by the way) is equivalent to calling him the "n" word and being racist.

Is it a "hate crime" to call a socialist what he is? Is it wrong for an LEO to investigate a complaint?

The Blacksburg LEO used words that may have inferred more than one complaint. Obviously he didn't believe there was more than one complaint, or they would have "called out the cavalry" as suggested above.

Bill in VA · Oct 8, 2009

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N6ATF · Oct 8, 2009

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Bill in VA wrote:

N6ATF wrote:

Nope, police have no duty to respond. This is repeated so often on this forum, I don't know how you could say they do with a straight face. Castle Rock v. Gonzales, Warren v. District of Columbia, et al.

Yep, it's only people in CA who have critical thinking skills. NOT.

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Apparently at least one personin Kalifornia lacks critical thinking and reading comprehension skills.Both Castle RockandWarren simply state that the police have no constitutional duty to protect an individual.They do not say police have no obligation to investigate a report of a crime. Protecting an individual is not the same as responding to a report of an alleged crime; police do, however, have both an obligation and a duty to uphold and enforce the law and when a possible crime is reported they investigate:exactly what happend in this instance.

In both Castle Rock and Warren, police failed to investigate to your supposed standard of obligation and duty (still uncited in violation of forum rules). They were not held liable.

FOIA of the 911 tapes has still not been presented, in the meanwhile you continue to assume that you know everything happened exactly as described, despite the glaring inconsistency that you do not send a single casual officer in response to a group reported to be waving around guns. It just doesn't add up.

Since you have failed to even attempt to explain how my logic is flawed with concrete evidence to the contrary...

/unwatch thread

Bill in VA · Oct 8, 2009

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HankT · Oct 8, 2009

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Bill in VA wrote:

N6ATF wrote:

VCDL President wrote:

It would be nice if they could catch whoever filed that false police report and charge them accordingly.

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They'd probably be given an award if the law-abiding gun owner was successfully harassed/arrested.

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What an utterly stupid response. Your uninformed,police-baiting left-coast attitude notwithstanding, when did the OP say anythign about the Blacksburg police acting unprofessionally or harassing anyone? Blacksburg police have generally been law-abiding and above board in my experience.

I agree. The comment is pretty reactionary. Same as our old pal smokin357....

I alsocertainly agree with PVC. Why couldn't the caller be traced and questioned/investigated?

mpg9999 · Oct 29, 2009

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mpg9999 wrote:

N6ATF wrote:

mobeewan wrote:

FOIA on the police 911 call?

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We'll see.

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I plan on it. I'll post the info when I get it.

Just got home and saw I had an envelope from Blacksburg. I received a copy of 2 of the 3 phone calls to the police, and the dispatch/patrol car radio recordings. I'll try to get it hosted and post it tomorrow, but as to the question of what the caller said, there was no report of anyone waving a gun around. She stated that some of the individuals in the parking lot appeared to have pistols on their hips.

mpg9999 · Oct 30, 2009

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mpg9999 · Oct 30, 2009

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I find it interesting that they claim they can exempt the calls by 2.2-3706 (F) (1) because its part of a criminal investigation, yet in statement 2 they say that no reports where created since the individuals had left the parking lot. I guess its irrelevant because they chose not to exempt them.

mpg9999 · Oct 30, 2009

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First police call:
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2768811/01%20Track%201.mp3

Call back to police:
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2768811/02%20Track%202.mp3

Radio traffic:
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2768811/03%20Track%203.mp3

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2768811/04%20Track%204.mp3

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2768811/05%20Track%205.mp3

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2768811/06%20Track%206.mp3

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2768811/07%20Track%207.mp3

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