Unless the officer believes a gun crime has been committed, how is he justified to run the serial numbers of a gun? Isn't that illegal search & seizure?
Devil's advocate here.
It's not necessary to search someone who is openly carrying in order to determine that he is indeed carrying a firearm. The idea of illegal search holds no water.If a leo removes your property from your person it is an illegal search.
If one who has identified himself as a LEO and reasonably proved himself to be so requests your handgun to check the serial number, why refuse? Tell him what you're doing, observe all rules of firearm safety, clear the weapon and hand it over.
While it may be a gross inconvenience to the owner (and very nosy and rude of the cop), doing as I wrote above can keep a small hassle from turning into a large hassle.Why refuse? Hand it over? Have you ever heard of the Constitution?Read it? What's next, let them come into our homes and rummage around and look for things that may be a danger to"public safety"?How about We all just submit our fingerprints,just to be on the safe side? Hell let's all just run on down to the station house and answer a few routine questions for the sake of safety.In case you don't know this is America and We aren't fond of tyranny.
Many LEO's and John Q's are ignorant of gun laws. We can and should politely inform them, especially the LEO's of the laws that are in effect in our respective states as well as pertinent Federal statures when necessary and possible. (That's easy enough by printing and carrying the applicable references found in this forum.)Ignorance of the law is no excuse as per the courts. Cops are Citizens just like you and I and are not above the law .
I'm am neither now a cop, nor have I ever been a cop. I have worked very closely with them over the years. They're far better to have as friendly acquaintances than adversaries. I am not advocating obsequiousness toward cops, just common sense and good manners. Their BS detectors are as good as ours - or better.
There are times in which it is preferable to be the wheat rather than the oak.
You sir, are part of the problem. It's folks like you with your "what have you got to hide" attitude that has gotten Our contry in the shape that it is in, SHAME ON YOU!!!
Try again. I was likely very active in opposing the gun grabbers whilst you were still a twinkle in pop's eye. How it it that you presume to know my age? Have we met and I just don't remember you?
If you choose to paint me with that brush, back it up. A broad slam without basis is exactly what the Brady Bunch, et al expect of those of us who believe that all U.S. and state firearms laws need to be rolled back to 1925.You are the one who suggested it was so much easier than standing up for your Rights.
Regardless of one's stance, there is never and excuse for rudeness (as you have exhibited), smugness, or the display of a superiority.Because my opinion differs with your opinion now I have to wear the label of being rude?Are you saying it is not possible to defend your rights sans-rudeness
If you choose to flame away without stating the basis for your claim, you're no better than the touchy-feely group that fears those of us who choose to exercise our right and have those rights that have been limited restored. The basis of my claim was clearly stated"Why refuse?Hand it over? Ever hear of the Constitution? Read it?
That being said, what does a law-abiding citizen have to hide? It's not about whether or not a person has something to hide it's about keeping the government within the bounds of the Constitution.
As an aside, if you're going to rebut within the body of a post, you might want to make it a bit more differentiated than you did when arguing my post. At least embolden or italicize it so that the 10% or so that are color blind to some degree can differentiate the writers. No. I have perfect color vision.Is this more acceptable?
Last items: Learn to read and comprehend. (Incidentally, your reference to "illegal search" in your first incorrect argument should read "illegal seizure". There's a huge difference.)I said nothing about a LEO taking a firearm. I suggested handing it to him to run the serial number.If you think they going to allow you to reach down and even touch your weapon you are dillusional.
Read the preamble to my post. You do know what "Devil's advocate" means, don't you?Why would you assume a position you disagree with just for the sake arguement?
Now. Do you want to argue with me or with the hopey-changey group that wants to disarm us all?See above.