Constitutionalist
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I probably should not post this here, the other side will cut and paste it and use it out of context, but I just have to share this story with you guys.
Got into a nice discussion with a liberal relative tonight about gun issues. Here is the interesting part after he already spouted off about how evil guns are and all the deaths and guns kill people and blah blah blah:
Me: So what is your ultimate goal?
Him: To prevent loss of life by firearms.
Me: So if you infringe on the constitutional rights of people, but it saves lives its ok?
Him: Definitely, all life is precious and a minor infraction of your rights to save thousands of lives is a trade off we should be willing to make.
Me: Ok then, they should make it illegal for black males to buy guns.
Him: (Looking like he is going to shi* his pants) WHAT? How can you say that?
Me: Well, if your ultimate goal is to save lives, and seeing that around 90% of people that use guns to kill people in this city are black males, we should make it illegal for them to have guns and hundreds of lives will be saved every year just in Milwaukee.
Him: You can't do that, it would be blatant discrimination!
Me: You mean their rights would be infringed?
Him: Yeah.
Me: But it would save lives, isn't that your ultimate goal? Isn't that a trade off you are willing to make?
Him: But you can't keep people from having guns just because of race.
Me: Right, and you can't ban law abiding people from having guns because a few criminals violate the law. My right to keep and bear arms is just as important as someone's right to be treated equally. They are both enumerated in the constitution and its wrong to take either away, no matter what the "trade off".
Him: Never thought of it that way.
Now, I want to make it clear I DO NOT believe anyone, regardless of race, should be "banned" from having guns. The statement was used to prove a point only. Please don't message me and call me a racist, thanks!
I probably should not post this here, the other side will cut and paste it and use it out of context, but I just have to share this story with you guys.
Got into a nice discussion with a liberal relative tonight about gun issues. Here is the interesting part after he already spouted off about how evil guns are and all the deaths and guns kill people and blah blah blah:
Me: So what is your ultimate goal?
Him: To prevent loss of life by firearms.
Me: So if you infringe on the constitutional rights of people, but it saves lives its ok?
Him: Definitely, all life is precious and a minor infraction of your rights to save thousands of lives is a trade off we should be willing to make.
Me: Ok then, they should make it illegal for black males to buy guns.
Him: (Looking like he is going to shi* his pants) WHAT? How can you say that?
Me: Well, if your ultimate goal is to save lives, and seeing that around 90% of people that use guns to kill people in this city are black males, we should make it illegal for them to have guns and hundreds of lives will be saved every year just in Milwaukee.
Him: You can't do that, it would be blatant discrimination!
Me: You mean their rights would be infringed?
Him: Yeah.
Me: But it would save lives, isn't that your ultimate goal? Isn't that a trade off you are willing to make?
Him: But you can't keep people from having guns just because of race.
Me: Right, and you can't ban law abiding people from having guns because a few criminals violate the law. My right to keep and bear arms is just as important as someone's right to be treated equally. They are both enumerated in the constitution and its wrong to take either away, no matter what the "trade off".
Him: Never thought of it that way.
Now, I want to make it clear I DO NOT believe anyone, regardless of race, should be "banned" from having guns. The statement was used to prove a point only. Please don't message me and call me a racist, thanks!