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    Friday, October 2, 2009

    It didn't seem like such an unreasonable request. Before the Senate Finance Committee passes one of the most important pieces of legislation in our lifetime, we (the American people) wanted to see two things:

    * First, the actual language of the latest anti-gun ObamaCare bill.

    * Second, a definitive Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reading of the cost of the legislation, based on its specific language.

    But, incredibly, this simple request is too much for Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, who intends to force the committee to vote on the bill with nothing but a "quickie guesstimate" of the cost -- a "guesstimate" which CBO will have to reach WITHOUT EVEN HAVING ACCESS TO THE ACTUAL LEGISLATION.

    That's right. The committee has virtually finished consideration of the health care bill -- the most important in our lifetime -- AND THERE IS STILL NO LEGISLATIVE LANGUAGE.

    Shouldn't we at least have a cost estimate that is based on what is actually in the bill? Yes, but a full CBO cost estimate would take two weeks -- and this is inconsistent with efforts by liberal Democrats to cram this bill quickly down the throats of the American people.

    Moreover, don't you realize that "legislative language is very complex" and the American people are just too stupid to understand it.

    Well, are the members of the committee too stupid as well? And what about the CBO? Is it too stupid?

    A Third World country would be embarrassed by the sleaze, corruption, and fraud being used to pass the most expansive government intrusion into health care of our lifetime.

    It's time to put an end to these disgusting tricks.

    ACTION: Call your two U.S. Senators. Ask them to oppose any ObamaCare legislation -- at least until we have two things:

    1. The actual legislative language.

    2. A definitive Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reading of the cost of the legislation, based on what's in the bill.

    You can call your two Senators toll-free at 1-877-762-8762.

    You can also use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your senators the pre-written e-mail message below.

    ----- Pre-written letter -----

    Dear Senator:

    I would urge you, in the strongest terms, to resist considering any health care bill from the Senate Finance Committee until we have at least two things:

    * First, the actual legislative language.

    * Second, a definitive Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimate of the cost of the legislation, based on legislative language.

    It has been reported that, incredibly, this simple request is too much for Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, who intends to force the committee to vote on the bill with nothing but a "quickie guesstimate" of the cost -- a "guesstimate" which CBO will have to reach WITHOUT EVEN HAVING ACCESS TO THE ACTUAL LEGISLATION.

    It is unfathomable to me that the committee has virtually finished consideration of the health care bill -- the most important in our lifetime -- AND THERE IS STILL NO LEGISLATIVE LANGUAGE.

    Contrary to Senator Baucus' assumptions, the American people are not too stupid to understand legislation which will affect whether they live or die.

    Neither are the members of the committee nor the CBO.

    A Third World country would be embarrassed by the sleaze, corruption, and fraud being used to pass the most expansive government intrusion into health care of our lifetime.

    Please vote against the legislation under these circumstances.

    Sincerely,




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    Friday, October 9, 2009

    Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus has something to say to gun owners: "Own a gun; lose your coverage!"

    Baucus' socialized health care bill comes up for a Finance Committee vote on Tuesday. We have waited and waited and waited for the shifty Baucus to release legislative language. But he has refused to release anything but a summary -- and we will never have a Congressional Budget Office cost assessment based on actual legislation. Even the summary was kept secret for a long time.

    But, on the basis of the summary, the Baucus bill (which is still unnumbered) tells us virtually nothing about what kind of policy Americans will be required to purchase under penalty of law -- nor the consequences. It simply says:

    * "all U.S. citizens and legal residents would be required to purchase coverage through (1) the individual market...";

    * "individuals would be required to report on their federal income tax return the months for which they maintain the required minimum health coverage...";

    * in addition to an extensive list of statutorily mandated coverage, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would be empowered to "define and update the categories of treatments, items, and services..." within an insurance plan which would be covered in a policy constituting "required minimum health coverage."

    ObamaCare and gun control

    It is nearly certain that coverage prescribed by the administration will, to control costs, exclude coverage for what it regards as excessively dangerous activities. And, given Sebelius' well-established antipathy to the Second Amendment -- she vetoed concealed carry legislation as governor of Kansas -- we presume she will define these dangerous activities to include hunting and self-defense using a firearm. It is even possible that the Obama-prescribed policy could preclude reimbursement of any kind in a household which keeps a loaded firearm for self-defense.

    The ObamaCare bill already contains language that will punish Americans who engage in unhealthy behavior by allowing insurers to charge them higher insurance premiums. (What constitutes an unhealthy lifestyle is, of course, to be defined by legislators.) Don't be surprised if an anti-gun nut like Sebelius uses this line of thinking to impose ObamaCare policies which result in a back-door gun ban on any American who owns "dangerous" firearms.

    After all, insurers already (and routinely) drop homeowners from their policies for owning certain types of guns or for refusing to use trigger locks (that is, for keeping their guns ready for self-defense!). While not all insurers practice this anti-gun behavior, Gun Owners of America has documented that some do -- Prudential and State Farm being two of the most well-known.

    The good news is that because homeowner insurance is private (and is still subject to the free market) you can go to another company if one drops you. But what are you going to do under nationalized ObamaCare when the regulations written by Secretary Sebelius suspend the applicability of your government-mandated policy because of your gun ownership?

    All of this is in addition to something that GOA has been warning you about for several months ... the certainty that minimum acceptable policies will dump your gun information into a federal database ... a certainty that is reinforced by language in the summary providing for a study to "encourage increased meaningful use of electronic health records."

    Remember, the federal government has already denied more than 150,000 military veterans the right to own guns, without their being convicted of a crime or receiving any due process of law. They were denied because of medical information (such as PTSD) that the FBI later determined disqualified these veterans to own guns.

    Is this what we need on a national level being applied to every gun owner in America?

    Incidentally, failure to comply would subject the average family to $1,500 in fines -- and possibly more for a household with older teens. And, although a Schumer amendment purports to exempt Americans from prison sentences for non-purchase of an ObamaPolicy -- something which was never at issue -- it doesn't prohibit them from being sent to prison for a year and fined an additional $25,000 under the Internal Revenue Code for non-payment of the initial fines.

    ACTION: Contact your two U.S. Senators. Ask him or her, in the strongest terms, to vote against the phony Baucus bill.

    You can use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your senators the pre-written e-mail message below.

    ----- Pre-written letter -----

    Dear Senator:

    You already know that the phony Baucus bill:

    * Is predicated on $283 billion in phony "cuts" which have never, never ever been realized since a similar commitment to cut Medicare costs in the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 -- and will never, never ever be realized under the Baucus bill;

    * Requires massive numbers of Americans to have government-approved insurance which the CBO predicts will be more expensive than current policies;

    * Refuses to provide a cost for these policies, making it almost certain that more and more Americans will find insurance beyond their reach;

    * Has no legislative language and nothing but a CBO "guesstimate" of the cost and benefits, based on a summary.

    On the basis of the summary, the Baucus bill tells us virtually nothing about what kind of policy Americans will be required to purchase under penalty of law -- nor the consequences. It does say that the "Secretary of HHS [Kathleen Sebelius] would be required to define and update the categories of treatments, items, and services..." within an insurance plan which would be covered in a policy constituting "required minimum health coverage."

    This could spell trouble for gun owners.

    It is nearly certain that coverage prescribed by the administration will, to control costs, exclude coverage for what it regards as excessively dangerous activities. And, given Sebelius' well-established antipathy to the Second Amendment -- she vetoed concealed carry legislation as governor of Kansas -- I presume she will define these dangerous activities to include hunting and self-defense using a firearm. It is even possible that the Obama-prescribed policy could preclude reimbursement of any kind in a household which keeps a loaded firearm for self-defense.

    This is, of course, in addition to the certainty that minimum acceptable policies will dump my gun information into a federal database -- a certainty that is reinforced by language in the summary providing for a study to "encourage increased meaningful use of electronic health records."

    Incidentally, failure to comply would subject the average family to $1,500 in fines -- and possibly more for a household with older teens. And, although a Schumer amendment purports to exempt Americans from prison sentences for non-purchase of an ObamaPolicy -- something which was never at issue -- it doesn't prohibit them from being sent to prison for a year and fined an additional $25,000 under the Internal Revenue Code for non-payment of the initial fines.

    Please oppose the Baucus bill.

    Sincerely,


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    will the "stupid" people of Montana remember this and act accordingly when Baucus is up for re-election?

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    Derr, I don't understand... Why the hell he is still out there enacting crap like this???!!
    I aim to misbehave

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    I can only speak for Virginia, where Demonrat Creigh Deeds is now openly blaming Obama for his looming defeat (LET'S NOT GET TOO CONFIDENT AND NEGLECT TO VOTE, VIRGINIANS!!). Warner and Webb better know that if they vote for Obamacare that's the end of their political careers in Virginia.

    Of course they're both a couple of Northern Virginia carpetbagggers, so maybe they don't care all that much. (Actually I am by birth a damnyankee, born in Indianapolis and grew up in Huber Heights. Ohio; but if the Civil War breaks out afresh I'll be fighting fer Virginny).

    It is rather amazing how the political landscape is changing even here in the PRAx. That Nobel award has finally gotten people to realize exactly how ersatz the whole Ubamanista thing is The conservatives here are finding their voice and the liberals are horrified at the insane clown show Obama's alleged presidency has become; to say nothing of the Charlie Rangel ethics scandal sideshow. I feel really sorry for the black folks who had such pride in the first black President. If I have a black customer who wants to talk about Obama I mostly just listen, I can tell that they know they are trying to fool themselves. He's just a tool of the white Demonrat leadership, who packaged him and presented him as an award for faithful bloc voting. And black folks know it. Most blacks I believe are praying he does not utterly disgrace himself; and their prayers may well turn out to be in vain.

    However, he has only the power to sign a bill into law. His ineptitude as Commander in Chief is another matter, but the real battle is shaping up right now and will take place in 2010 just a bit less than 13 months from now. An important skirmish will take place in less than four weeks.

    ESPECIALLY if you live in Virginia or - and even more important - New Jersey - and are not registered to vote, REGISTER RIGHT NOW! If you know anyone who is not registered, get their butts to the registrar tout le suite. give them a ride if you have to. There is hardly any more severe debacle short-term for the Ratz than losing the New Jersey Governor's Mansion. (however, if the Rangel thing results in his being arrested and/or thrown out of Congress entirely that would be very good too!)

    There are two things you MUST remember: (1) we are winning! and (2) We have NOT won YET. DO NOT GO AWOL. REGISTER AND VOTE LIKE ALL HELL!!!

    SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!!!

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    I can only speak for Virginia, where Demonrat Creigh Deeds is now openly blaming Obama for his looming defeat (LET'S NOT GET TOO CONFIDENT AND NEGLECT TO VOTE, VIRGINIANS!!). Warner and Webb better know that if they vote for Obamacare that's the end of their political careers in Virginia.

    Of course they're both a couple of Northern Virginia carpetbagggers, so maybe they don't care all that much. (Actually I am by birth a damnyankee, born in Indianapolis and grew up in Huber Heights. Ohio; but if the Civil War breaks out afresh I'll be fighting fer Virginny).
    First time I've heard Gate City being described as Yankee territory.

    Warner and Webb will both vote for the health care bill.

    The stuff being dreamed up by GOA about the health care bill is fairytales and moonbeams. The Health Care bills have nothing to with the PRTK&BA.GOA can't stand Obama, so any new legislation giving any discretion to Sebelius or anyone else in the administration is "presumed" to be anti-gun.

    If NRA and GOA endorsed an amendment to the Baucus language which prohibited any negative action being taken by health insurers against the "risk" of gun ownership, it would passboth democratically controlledhouses of Congress. They should but they won't, because they want health insurance to fail.GOA isturning into another Republican front.

    Both Creigh Deeds and Bob McDonnell are strong pro-2A. The suggestion that the VAgovernors race should turn on gun issues is wacky.

    Vote as you will!

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