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    Ihavn't heard anything in a while so I just wanted to check and see, if we are any closer to being able to OC in this great state?

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    Holy cow! It's 12:39 just 20 minutes after posted this and I logged into this SC forum to ask the same thing!

    What of the petition? What of the bills? If ya'll are willing to fire on fort sumpter, trump the National ID Act, why can't you get OC back in SC?

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    Godscreation wrote:
    why can't you get OC back in SC?
    Follow the money. Who profits from South Carolina's CCW law?

    SECTION 23-31-210. Definitions.
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    Do you expect the NRA and its certified pistol instructors to give up this sinecure?


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    Doug Huffman wrote:
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    why can't you get OC back in SC?
    Follow the money. Who profits from South Carolina's CCW law?

    SECTION 23-31-210. Definitions.
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    Do you expect the NRA and its certified pistol instructors to give up this sinecure?
    I don't see that as the issue as most people want to carry concealed so we don't get hassled. I have been in NC for 15 years and rarely ever see someone OC unless they are LE or security.

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    The question was why, not should. SC will never get OC back until the NRA's nasty regulation hegemony is broken.

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    griv wrote:
    I don't see that as the issue as most people want to carry concealed so we don't get hassled. I have been in NC for 15 years and rarely ever see someone OC unless they are LE or security.
    OC or CC but do not restrict my choice - that is the issue.

    Give in to those that "hassle" you and you will lose your rights.

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    griv wrote:
    I don't see that as the issue as most people want to carry concealed so we don't get hassled. I have been in NC for 15 years and rarely ever see someone OC unless they are LE or security.
    I was unaware that "most" people wanted to carry concealed. That sounds more like an opinion than a fact to me. Care to share any documentation to prove it?
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    The South Carolina Legislature introduced Legislation that would allow Open Carry without any further need of Licensure, I believe that it was during the last Legislative session in fact. However, the bill did not pass. Open Carry of a Longgun is still Legal though. In stark contrast, Open Carry of a Pistol is still currently Illegal in South Carolina.



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    aadvark wrote:
    The South Carolina Legislature introduced Legislation that would allow Open Carry without any further need of Licensure, I believe that it was during the last Legislative session in fact.
    Please provide a citation that the responsible parties can be watched and assisted and praised as needed.

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    The Bill number is H.3003, and imperfect though it is, it's something we could work on. Problemis that the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee is appearently blocking further action on this bill. What we need is the people here (SC residents on the Forums), and those who sympathise with us to stirr up publicity. I've been pushing for OC here for a long time, and can't even get those who want it to MAKE A LOCAL CALL to their State Reps.

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    armyman29340 wrote:
    The Bill number is H.3003, and imperfect though it is, it's something we could work on. Problemis that the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee is appearently blocking further action on this bill. What we need is the people here (SC residents on the Forums), and those who sympathise with us to stirr up publicity. I've been pushing for OC here for a long time, and can't even get those who want it to MAKE A LOCAL CALL to their State Reps.
    Apparently you're not familiar with this;

    http://scfirearms.org/Legislative/H3003.html

    Making those changes would make it closer to perfect... Or at least acceptable for now. Perfect would bea place thatthere are no laws of any kind that infringe upon a citizen's right to keep and bear arms asguaranteed in the Second Amendment. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon either on a state or national level.

    What have you personally done to "push" for OC in South Carolina? Have you signed the online petition? Have you helped to distribute flyers at gunshows or help pay for those flyers? Are you a member of GrassRoots GunRights? Do you contribute to GunRights PAC? Any and all help is welcome. Feel free to join us.
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    I am quite familiar with the flaws in the H.3003 proposition, but we have only two ways to carry a weapon in SC right now...with a CWP and concealed, or illegally.

    As for what I've done to promote OC in the State: I've written letter to the local papers, talked to customers in my Taxi urging them to call Representatives, called those Reps myself, repeatedly... Called local talk radio, and atleast a dozen other activities.

    The question isn't what I've done, it's what I've seen as the results of all that I've done.

    Answer?

    Nothing.

    People would rather lose their rights in this state, depend on the government to keep them up, protect them, and tell them what to do, and what they CAN do.

    I have found not ONE person who is willing to call the State Representative (and it's local calls, not long distance).

    Everyone sees the problem, the violence, etc. They are all afraid of it, long for it to end, but won't do anything that might actually end it.

    Bitter?

    Yes, I suppose I am.

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    armyman29340 wrote:
    I am quite familiar with the flaws in the H.3003 proposition,
    The point was not the flaws in H 3003 but that it is dying and has been for nearly a year, since March 2009.

    http://www.scstatehouse.gov/cgi-bin/...mp;session=118
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    class="bill"12/09/08  House  Prefiled
    12/09/08  House  Referred to Committee on Judiciary
    01/13/09  House  Introduced and read first time HJ-16
    01/13/09  House  Referred to Committee on Judiciary HJ-17
    01/28/09  House  Member(s) request name added as sponsor: E.H.Pitts
    02/10/09  House  Member(s) request name added as sponsor: Skelton
    02/17/09  House  Member(s) request name removed as sponsor: Skelton
    03/05/09  House  Member(s) request name removed as sponsor: Toole

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    I emailed every one of SC state reps and senators. Most responses were of the- call me when we are in session type-. However everyone who responsed were in favor of OC and restraurant carry. So why cant we get some sort of bill thru?

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    Who is going to write it and who is going to sponsor it?

    The NRA and its client GOSC will NOT allow un-permitted OC.

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    Made some calls and sent letters and some e-mails. Maybe it will get the ball rolling again.

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    AngelMaker wrote:
    Made some calls and sent letters and some e-mails. Maybe it will get the ball rolling again.
    Have you joined GrassRoots Gunrights? There is power in numbers after all.

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    I currently live in SC aleast for the last 10 years. iam sure it hasent changed but we are allowed to OC only while hunting and/or fishing, no where near public areas. I my self think open carry is great. when i go to states that allow it, like NC i do it as often as possible in stead of CC. the only problem is that there are for lack of a better worldwussy's out there. that don't know a thing about guns and/or their own freaking gun laws. they are blinded with rays of sun shine and those lame "snuggie" things on tv. there is evil out there right around the corner and they don't care how nice and caring you are and of corse dont care about the law. thats the problem i feel uncomfortable when i carry open, and iam the one with the gun. i dont like to be hassled for no reason by morons that don't understand that i'am the good guy. the only way you will ever have a real dose of peace, harmony, and confidense while exercising our rights is when everyone else relizes we have rights.

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    CZ MAK DADDY wrote:
    I currently live in SC aleast for the last 10 years. iam sure it hasent changed but we are allowed to OC only while hunting and/or fishing, no where near public areas. I my self think open carry is great. when i go to states that allow it, like NC i do it as often as possible in stead of CC. the only problem is that there are for lack of a better worldwussy's out there. that don't know a thing about guns and/or their own freaking gun laws. they are blinded with rays of sun shine and those lame "snuggie" things on tv. there is evil out there right around the corner and they don't care how nice and caring you are and of corse dont care about the law. thats the problem i feel uncomfortable when i carry open, and iam the one with the gun. i dont like to be hassled for no reason by morons that don't understand that i'am the good guy. the only way you will ever have a real dose of peace, harmony, and confidense while exercising our rights is when everyone else relizes we have rights.
    Thank goodness this is "the good guy." Imagine if he was a baaad guy. If he was a bad guy then our job of defeating our enemies would be so much easier.

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    CZ MAK DADDY wrote:
    I currently live in SC aleast for the last 10 years. iam sure it hasent changed but we are allowed to OC only while hunting and/or fishing, no where near public areas. I my self think open carry is great. when i go to states that allow it, like NC i do it as often as possible in stead of CC. the only problem is that there are for lack of a better worldwussy's out there. that don't know a thing about guns and/or their own freaking gun laws. they are blinded with rays of sun shine and those lame "snuggie" things on tv. there is evil out there right around the corner and they don't care how nice and caring you are and of corse dont care about the law. thats the problem i feel uncomfortable when i carry open, and iam the one with the gun. i dont like to be hassled for no reason by morons that don't understand that i'am the good guy. the only way you will ever have a real dose of peace, harmony, and confidense while exercising our rights is when everyone else relizes we have rights.
    I don't know where you get your information, but it is incorrect. In South Carolina you are allowed to open or conceal carry on your lawfully held property, which includes rented or leased property,or on any other private property with the owners permission. No CWP required. Of course there are some exceptions, a doctor's office for example.

    Because of where I live, because I own and operate my own business and because I've ask for permission and recieved it (in writing) from lots of people, I'm able to open carry the most of the time. I've had my "go to work" .38 on my hip since 0430 today, only concealed by my jacket during the 15 minute drive to work. And I do this essentially every day. In South Carolina.

    It takes some effort and coordination, but it can be done. If you feel I'm wrong, please site your supporting documentation.

    Welcome to the forum and please add your location to your profile so we know where you're at. Are you a member of GrassRoots GunRights? If not, you should be.

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    I'am only the "good guy" if anyone asks. i love it when some on makes a comment like yours. i read the last sentence of your reply mutiple times and would youplease clarify what you are trying to say. i want to make sure i'am taking it the right way before i fully respond and please don't be a smart a** we are all adults here.

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    Master Doug Huffman wrote:
    CZ MAK DADDY wrote:
    I currently live in SC aleast for the last 10 years. iam sure it hasent changed but we are allowed to OC only while hunting and/or fishing, no where near public areas. I my self think open carry is great. when i go to states that allow it, like NC i do it as often as possible in stead of CC. the only problem is that there are for lack of a better worldwussy's out there. that don't know a thing about guns and/or their own freaking gun laws. they are blinded with rays of sun shine and those lame "snuggie" things on tv. there is evil out there right around the corner and they don't care how nice and caring you are and of corse dont care about the law. thats the problem i feel uncomfortable when i carry open, and iam the one with the gun. i dont like to be hassled for no reason by morons that don't understand that i'am the good guy. the only way you will ever have a real dose of peace, harmony, and confidense while exercising our rights is when everyone else relizes we have rights.
    Thank goodness this is "the good guy." Imagine if he was a baaad guy. If he was a bad guy then our job of defeating our enemies would be so much easier.
    I'am only the "good guy" if anyone asks. i love it when some on makes a comment like yours. i read the last sentence of your reply mutiple times and would youplease clarify what you are trying to say. i want to make sure i'am taking it the right way before i fully respond and please don't be a smart a** we are all adults here.

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    hp-hobo wrote:
    CZ MAK DADDY wrote:
    I currently live in SC aleast for the last 10 years. iam sure it hasent changed but we are allowed to OC only while hunting and/or fishing, no where near public areas. I my self think open carry is great. when i go to states that allow it, like NC i do it as often as possible in stead of CC. the only problem is that there are for lack of a better worldwussy's out there. that don't know a thing about guns and/or their own freaking gun laws. they are blinded with rays of sun shine and those lame "snuggie" things on tv. there is evil out there right around the corner and they don't care how nice and caring you are and of corse dont care about the law. thats the problem i feel uncomfortable when i carry open, and iam the one with the gun. i dont like to be hassled for no reason by morons that don't understand that i'am the good guy. the only way you will ever have a real dose of peace, harmony, and confidense while exercising our rights is when everyone else relizes we have rights.
    I don't know where you get your information, but it is incorrect. In South Carolina you are allowed to open or conceal carry on your lawfully held property, which includes rented or leased property,or on any other private property with the owners permission. No CWP required. Of course there are some exceptions, a doctor's office for example.

    Because of where I live, because I own and operate my own business and because I've ask for permission and recieved it (in writing) from lots of people, I'm able to open carry the most of the time. I've had my "go to work" .38 on my hip since 0430 today, only concealed by my jacket during the 15 minute drive to work. And I do this essentially every day. In South Carolina.

    It takes some effort and coordination, but it can be done. If you feel I'm wrong, please site your supporting documentation.

    Welcome to the forum and please add your location to your profile so we know where you're at. Are you a member of GrassRoots GunRights? If not, you should be.

    http://www.scfirearms.org/

    SECTION 16-23-20. Unlawful carrying of handgun; exceptions.

    It is unlawful for anyone to carry about the person any handgun, whether concealed or not, except as follows, unless otherwise specifically prohibited by law:

    (1) regular, salaried law enforcement officers, and reserve police officers of a state agency, municipality, or county of the State, uncompensated Governor’s constables, law enforcement officers of the federal government or other states when they are carrying out official duties while in this State, deputy enforcement officers of the Natural Resources Enforcement Division of the Department of Natural Resources, and retired commissioned law enforcement officers employed as private detectives or private investigators;

    (2) members of the Armed Forces of the United States, the National Guard, organized reserves, or the State Militia when on duty;

    (3) members, or their invited guests, of organizations authorized by law to purchase or receive firearms from the United States or this State or regularly enrolled members, or their invited guests, of clubs organized for the purpose of target shooting or collecting modern and antique firearms while these members, or their invited guests, are at or going to or from their places of target practice or their shows and exhibits;

    (4) licensed hunters or fishermen who are engaged in hunting or fishing or going to or from their places of hunting or fishing while in a vehicle or on foot;

    ........if you would like to see the rest let me know. i made bold and underlined what is needed to prove my point. I see it all the time, hunters carrying a sidearm including myself. alsoit counts if you are carrying open on your way to hunt or fish (with a proper license)and you stop to get a drink at a gas station. seen that too. i and theythey never have a problem. i have friends that are law enforcement officers. so, i've read it, seen it, and heard it.there's your documentation from a government website not a organization. don't forget organizations dont make the law the government does. there's the site if you need it. thats who issued my CWP. Also, please clarify "grassroots " gunrights. so i can give you the best reply my big fingers can type.

    http://www.sled.sc.gov

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    CZ MAK DADDY wrote:
    SECTION 16-23-20. Unlawful carrying of handgun; exceptions.

    It is unlawful for anyone to carry about the person any handgun, whether concealed or not, except as follows, unless otherwise specifically prohibited by law:

    (1) regular, salaried law enforcement officers, and reserve police officers of a state agency, municipality, or county of the State, uncompensated Governor’s constables, law enforcement officers of the federal government or other states when they are carrying out official duties while in this State, deputy enforcement officers of the Natural Resources Enforcement Division of the Department of Natural Resources, and retired commissioned law enforcement officers employed as private detectives or private investigators;

    (2) members of the Armed Forces of the United States, the National Guard, organized reserves, or the State Militia when on duty;

    (3) members, or their invited guests, of organizations authorized by law to purchase or receive firearms from the United States or this State or regularly enrolled members, or their invited guests, of clubs organized for the purpose of target shooting or collecting modern and antique firearms while these members, or their invited guests, are at or going to or from their places of target practice or their shows and exhibits;

    (4) licensed hunters or fishermen who are engaged in hunting or fishing or going to or from their places of hunting or fishing while in a vehicle or on foot;

    ........if you would like to see the rest let me know. i made bold and underlined what is needed to prove my point. I see it all the time, hunters carrying a sidearm including myself. alsoit counts if you are carrying open on your way to hunt or fish (with a proper license)and you stop to get a drink at a gas station. seen that too. i and theythey never have a problem. i have friends that are law enforcement officers. so, i've read it, seen it, and heard it.there's your documentation from a government website not a organization. don't forget organizations dont make the law the government does. there's the site if you need it. thats who issued my CWP. Also, please clarify "grassroots " gunrights. so i can give you the best reply my big fingers can type.

    http://www.sled.sc.gov
    Here, let me help you with that. I'm intimately familiar with 16-23-20. I read it all the time. If you weren't in so much of a hurry trying to be right, maybe you would have taken the time to read "the rest". And also maybe read your own first statement in this thread.

    I never took issue as to whether or not you can open carry while hunting or fishing. Unfortunately, you prefaced that statement with the word only. Go ahead, look at your post. Words do mean things, and hunting or fishing are not the only way to lawfully open carry in South Carolina. Since you're obviously not asfamiliar with "the rest" as you think you are, allow me to introduce you to 16-23-20(8).

    "a person in his home or upon his real property or a person who has the permission of the owner or the person in legal possession or the person in legal control of the home or real property; "

    http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t16c023.htm

    Yep, that's it.

    GrassRoots GunRights is South Carolina's premier gun rights organization. Every gun owner in the state should be a member and support them in any way possible. The link to their website was in my last reply to you, but I'll be happy to provide it once again just for you.

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    Have a great day!
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    I had a great day thanks "hp-hobo". yes your right i did write only, my mistake. i've read all the laws more than once and before i even joined this forum. i have them on paper not just my computer. this includes laws on CCW,federal, state, etc. i'am fully aware of them, not just the one section we've been fighting over.before i posted my first post i got the idea by reading other posts, that we were talking about OC outside of our homes, property, and/or fixed business. the home, property,etcare usally a given in most cases.

    so if you really look at OCin SC it's very restrictive. hunting and/or fishing is the only real open carry freedom you get outside of home, propertyor business. that is for the averageperson not someone who would be included on the list by occupation or title military, police, etc.

    I dont consider SC to have a trueOC law whencompaired to laws instates likeNC. the only real freedom you get in SC, is while carrying concealed. for the record i dont agree with SC gun laws but thereare states that are far worse.

    Do you now see why i fixated on #4 of section 16-23-20?

    Thank's see youlater.






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