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    Gun ban at Seattle parks facilities goes into effect A ban on guns in certain Seattle park facilities, specifically to protect children, went into effect today, according to the mayor's office.
    By Seattle Times staff
    A ban on guns in certain Seattle park facilities, specifically to protect children, went into effect today, according to the mayor's office.
    The move, which has drawn criticism including questions about its legality, affects hundreds of playgrounds, community centers, sports fields, swimming pools and water-play areas.
    "When children and families visit a Seattle Parks and Recreation pool, playground, community center or other facility, they are entitled to a reasonable expectation of safety," Mayor Greg Nickels said in a news release. "It's common sense to prohibit guns in places where kids and young adults play and learn."
    The gun ban, a new rule by Parks and Recreation, will be in effect only at facilities where signs have been posted, according to to the news release.
    Community centers will get the first signs, followed by pools, popular play areas, and ballfields. The mayor's office said all facilities should have the signs by Dec. 1.
    The first signs are expected to go up Friday at South Park Community Center, Garfield Community Center and Bitter Lake Community Center
    If someone with a gun enters one of the designated facilities, he or she will be asked by parks employees or Seattle police officers to leave. If the person won't leave, he or she could be cited or arrested for criminal trespass, according to the mayor's office.
    Nickels has argued that state law does not prohibit a property owner from imposing conditions on possessing firearms on his or her property.
    The city's position, Nickels has said, is that a municipal property owner such as Seattle may impose limits on firearms as a condition of entry or use of particular facilities, particularly those where children and youths are likely to be.
    State Attorney General Rob McKenna, however, has disagreed.
    In a statement released in mid-September, he said he has a history of working to protect children's safety, but "as Mayor Nickels is aware, the Attorney General's Office issued an opinion in 2008, which found that state law pre-empts local authority to adopt firearms regulations, unless specifically authorized by law."
    The opinion won't stop Nickels from invoking his ban, said Janelle Guthrie, with the AG's office. However, she said, the opinion holds the weight of law and could be used if the law is challenged, as gun advocates have vowed to do.

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    • Six late-night recreation sites
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    Time for a good ol' fashioned court battle.

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    compmanio365 wrote:
    Time for a good ol' fashioned court battle.
    Or an OC gathering in Seattle, hopefully followed by them trying to trespass/arrest us. Then you have the police violating the right to peaceable assembly, the right to free speech, and the right to keep and bear arms.
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    lets not do it on a friday. I have better things to do then spend the weekend in jail.

    but we should go during the week.

    then sue the city. i guess that'd be one way of getting a income during these unemployment times

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    I am assuming he thinks City property is private property? He must realize, city property is paid by taxpayers money, therefore IMO he has no right to trespass a taxpayer just because they are OCing. Can anyone correct me here if I am wrong?

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    I bet the new mayor will be just as bad.
    "I'm just a no-account screed-peddler" Dave Workman http://goo.gl/CNf6pB

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    I bet it doesn't matter what the mayor thinks, the state trumps his shenanigans.

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    Let's do it on a Saturday so that I can attend.

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    Time to get all the nieces, nephews, kids & grandkids together for a visit to the park.

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    M1Gunr wrote:
    Time to get all the nieces, nephews, kids & grandkids together for a visit to the park.
    Before doing this send out some press releases and see how things will fly... I would suggest you to contact Mike before doing this

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    McGinn and Mallahan aprove of this gun ban so it wont be over for a while. Would be nice to find where nickels lives in West Seattle and do an open carry protest in front of his home.

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    It's definitely time for a protest carry. I won't be able to make it that frst week in December, but I'm game after that.

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    I would suggest you to contact Mike before doing this
    Working on this now....



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    Why would you risk arrest and/or incarceration when the SAF has already said it's got test cases lined up? Unless you are specifically seeking martyrdom.

    I say let SAF work its plan . . . .

    They will do all the work and take all the risk for you.

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    deanf wrote:
    Why would you risk arrest and/or incarceration when the SAF has already said it's got test cases lined up? Unless you are specifically seeking martyrdom.

    I say let SAF work its plan . . . .

    They will do all the work and take all the risk for you.
    I don't enjoy the feel of an elected official ******* all over my rights. Screw martyrdom, I want to see how many people in the chain of command are willing to subject themselves to personal liability for violating my civil rights. I want to believe in society again, that it's only a few wackos like Nickels and the Seattle City Council who will so willingly violate my civil rights. And if I find that they're willing to violate my constitutional rights and violate state law under color of an ordinance, I want to sue them under 42 USC 1983 for any time I lose from work and any hardship they cause. Anything monetary that comes from such a suit will be split between the SAF, my personal expenses, and probably a new firearm to carry in the city that chose to break the law.
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    "When children and families visit a Seattle Parks and Recreation pool, playground, community center or other facility, they are entitled to a reasonable expectation of safety," Mayor Greg Nickels said in a news release. "It's common sense to prohibit guns in places where kids and young adults play and learn."

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    Excuse me? Isn't that counter productive? So if something bad happens, there won't be any good guys that are armed....good job... Because clearly someone who decides to go on a shooting rampage is going to see this sign and say to themselves "Oh @#$%, I guess I cant bring a gun in here....oh well"
    ...Jesus ... People are idiots.

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    A quote from the SAF press release 18 Oct 2009:

    "SAF has also learned that the mayor’s strategy now is apparently to have such a ban enacted by order of the director of Parks and Recreation."



    He didn't even have the stones to enact his "Executive Order" like he said he would. What a tool!
    I am the person responsible for myself, my wife and my son. I take that VERY seriously.

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    tyguy808 wrote:
    A quote from the SAF press release 18 Oct 2009:

    "SAF has also learned that the mayor’s strategy now is apparently to have such a ban enacted by order of the director of Parks and Recreation."



    He didn't even have the stones to enact his "Executive Order" like he said he would. What a tool!
    18 Oct. 2009? Link?

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    oopsy..... 8 Oct 2009!

    http://saf.org/viewpr-new.asp?id=305

    Good catch!
    I am the person responsible for myself, my wife and my son. I take that VERY seriously.

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    I truly can't comprehend what is wrong with this retard! Why would you go out of your way to try and impose illegal restrictions on your constituents? IMO this tool needs to be fined for w/e the cost of all this ********* will bring and then ship his lame ass off to california where he belongs.

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    just sent SAF a donation because of this...wish I could afford more

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    FrankC wrote:
    I truly can't comprehend what is wrong with this retard! Why would you go out of your way to try and impose illegal restrictions on your constituents? IMO this tool needs to be fined for w/e the cost of all this horse@#$% will bring and then ship his lame ass off to california where he belongs.
    Elitism. This is the rule in America nowadays: We know what's best for our adoring fans and sheep. If they say otherwise, it's because they're stupid and don't understand.

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    kwiebe wrote:
    FrankC wrote:
    I truly can't comprehend what is wrong with this retard! Why would you go out of your way to try and impose illegal restrictions on your constituents? IMO this tool needs to be fined for w/e the cost of all this horse@#$% will bring and then ship his lame ass off to california where he belongs.
    Elitism. This is the rule in America nowadays:* We know what's best for our adoring fans and sheep. If they say otherwise, it's because they're stupid and don't understand.
    More like petty spite in this case I think.

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