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Curmudgeon Al Campbell, 'Gun Law Surprise - Updated', GermantownNow.com
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J.Gleason
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Mandatory Training, Registration, Permits and Fees. :banghead:
We need to vote out any legislator who is in favor of this, period.
Mandatory Training, Registration, Permits and Fees. :banghead:
We need to vote out any legislator who is in favor of this, period.
Doug Huffman
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J.Gleason wrote:
J.Gleason wrote:
Why give others, here on OpenCarry.org, a pass? Remember, they or their body (swinging members dangle to the left and right with their principal body) give these reasonable regulators financial, political and immoral support.
DKSuddeth
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hmm, do you really want to go the same way as Texas?
I think not.
hmm, do you really want to go the same way as Texas?
I think not.
J.Gleason
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Very true Doug, you have an excellent point and until members here decide what they really want it is very hard to move forward with any strength.
Me personally, I want a no compromise CCW/OCW non permitted system.
Like I said before, VT and AK did it and so can we. Sure it is not going to happen over night but with all of the negativity among members here, I think it is a pretty good indication of just how hard of a battle we will have to fight in order to win the war.
We have to start some where and this organization is as good as any, provide we all stand together.
I think the best thing we could do is get together with some members from VT/AK and find out just how they got where they are today.
Very true Doug, you have an excellent point and until members here decide what they really want it is very hard to move forward with any strength.
Me personally, I want a no compromise CCW/OCW non permitted system.
Like I said before, VT and AK did it and so can we. Sure it is not going to happen over night but with all of the negativity among members here, I think it is a pretty good indication of just how hard of a battle we will have to fight in order to win the war.
We have to start some where and this organization is as good as any, provide we all stand together.
I think the best thing we could do is get together with some members from VT/AK and find out just how they got where they are today.
J.Gleason
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DKSuddeth wrote:
DKSuddeth wrote:
Give us an example of what you are talking about here.
Doug Huffman
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I know that AK followed VT. I think VT may have enjoyed their gun laws ab initio.
I know that AK followed VT. I think VT may have enjoyed their gun laws ab initio.
Shotgun
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Doug Huffman wrote:
Doug Huffman wrote:
Yup, I think Vermont's tradition dates back to around 1793--- which was probably similar to all that of all the other states in that era. One by one, the rest dropped the ball at some subsequent point in their history-- 130+ years ago in Wisconsin.
comp45acp
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While a Vermont style system of unregulated carry is a nice pipe dream, the fact is that it will never happen in Wisconsin and almost everyone realizes that. Our efforts are far better spent going after a good carry law that is actually possible to achieve. The MN law is an excellent model to follow. It allows for open or concealed carry, modest training requirements and the ability to carry just about anywhere including the state capitol. This is the position I regularly support and discuss with my legislators when I visit them. I realize some are unwilling to compromise in any regard on this issue. You are only impeding progress by your actions in my opinion.
While a Vermont style system of unregulated carry is a nice pipe dream, the fact is that it will never happen in Wisconsin and almost everyone realizes that. Our efforts are far better spent going after a good carry law that is actually possible to achieve. The MN law is an excellent model to follow. It allows for open or concealed carry, modest training requirements and the ability to carry just about anywhere including the state capitol. This is the position I regularly support and discuss with my legislators when I visit them. I realize some are unwilling to compromise in any regard on this issue. You are only impeding progress by your actions in my opinion.
J.Gleason
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comp45acp wrote:
Training? It is your right to vote, do you get training for that?
How about your right to free speech, do you get training for that?
You do not have to be trained, registered, permitted or pay a fee to exercise your rights. Period!
Being permitted to exercise your rights makes them no more then a privilege.
I agree that it should be a felony if you are found concealing or in possession of a fire arm during the commission of a crime.
And I agree that the current laws in this state should be changed to read, "During the commission of a crime." (I.E....the GFSZ, Transportation Laws..etc)
No felons allowed in a business open solely for the purpose of selling fire arms.
Otherwise,
No compromise, EVER!
Carry On!
Molon Labe!
comp45acp wrote:
It is that kind of thinking that will only slow the progress on the road to success.
Training? It is your right to vote, do you get training for that?
How about your right to free speech, do you get training for that?
You do not have to be trained, registered, permitted or pay a fee to exercise your rights. Period!
Being permitted to exercise your rights makes them no more then a privilege.
I agree that it should be a felony if you are found concealing or in possession of a fire arm during the commission of a crime.
And I agree that the current laws in this state should be changed to read, "During the commission of a crime." (I.E....the GFSZ, Transportation Laws..etc)
No felons allowed in a business open solely for the purpose of selling fire arms.
Otherwise,
No compromise, EVER!
Carry On!
Molon Labe!
Doug Huffman
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J.Gleason wrote:
You are trained to your "right" to vote in grubbermint skrules. That some believe that there is a "right" to vote is sufficient proof of lack of critical reading/thinking skills.
You are trained to your First Amendment right by the lamestream media that also prates of the "right" to vote and abort.
Read and understand The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt.
J.Gleason wrote:
Hell yeah!
You are trained to your "right" to vote in grubbermint skrules. That some believe that there is a "right" to vote is sufficient proof of lack of critical reading/thinking skills.
You are trained to your First Amendment right by the lamestream media that also prates of the "right" to vote and abort.
Read and understand The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt.
J.Gleason
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Just another thought, years ago when DNR was created it was decided that you need to buy a license to fish and hunt. Now it is no longer a right but a privilege.
With that in mind they went from the fishing and hunting license to, you had to buy a trout stamp and a pheasant stamp, turkey permit, bear permit, etc, etc.
Guess what they will do for fire arms permits. How about a special stamp to carry a S&W for an added fee? or a Kimber stamp? for an added fee of course.
Another fee for a stamp to carry a semi auto as opposed to a wheel gun.
Get it?
No Compromise, EVER!
Just another thought, years ago when DNR was created it was decided that you need to buy a license to fish and hunt. Now it is no longer a right but a privilege.
With that in mind they went from the fishing and hunting license to, you had to buy a trout stamp and a pheasant stamp, turkey permit, bear permit, etc, etc.
Guess what they will do for fire arms permits. How about a special stamp to carry a S&W for an added fee? or a Kimber stamp? for an added fee of course.
Another fee for a stamp to carry a semi auto as opposed to a wheel gun.
Get it?
No Compromise, EVER!
J.Gleason
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Doug Huffman wrote:
Doug Huffman wrote:
:lol: If you call that training. I recommend the free training from Doug Huffman.
hardballer
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If we continue to compromise, we will compromise ourselves and the future out of guns altogether.
Our forefathers foresaw this and put the Constitution directly in the path of compromise.
It is foolhardy to believe that if you give a little they will. They have nothing to give we have everything to lose.
Buck up, your going to have to grow a bigger set, 'cause your going to need them.
If every gun owner came together in a single front, they, including asinine public servants, would have no choice but to carry out the will of the public.
Get off the sidelines and speak, write, do.
If we continue to compromise, we will compromise ourselves and the future out of guns altogether.
Our forefathers foresaw this and put the Constitution directly in the path of compromise.
It is foolhardy to believe that if you give a little they will. They have nothing to give we have everything to lose.
Buck up, your going to have to grow a bigger set, 'cause your going to need them.
If every gun owner came together in a single front, they, including asinine public servants, would have no choice but to carry out the will of the public.
Get off the sidelines and speak, write, do.
Nutczak
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Whatcha gonna do about that Al? Is your permit system going to fix that?
Please explain to me how making it more difficult for a legal citizen to exercise his 2A rights by requiring money being paid out, training, and licensing is going to magically make all the criminals that already own guns illegally give up there firearms.
I opine that by making it more difficult for someone to defend themselves by requiring costly mandatory training, and licensing, the criminals will take full advantage of the situation and end up killing more innocents than they already are.
Screw you Al.right along withFlynn, Barrett, doyle and the rest of you anti-constitutional bastards, Y'all can all lick my sack after a fullday of horseback riding in July!
And then we still have untrained criminals that are already prohibited from owning firearms that stillfirearms in their possession.
Whatcha gonna do about that Al? Is your permit system going to fix that?
Please explain to me how making it more difficult for a legal citizen to exercise his 2A rights by requiring money being paid out, training, and licensing is going to magically make all the criminals that already own guns illegally give up there firearms.
I opine that by making it more difficult for someone to defend themselves by requiring costly mandatory training, and licensing, the criminals will take full advantage of the situation and end up killing more innocents than they already are.
Screw you Al.right along withFlynn, Barrett, doyle and the rest of you anti-constitutional bastards, Y'all can all lick my sack after a fullday of horseback riding in July!
Doug Huffman
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Nutczak wrote:
Nutczak wrote:
Don't forget our "trainers' that are corespondents here. That is who encourages this ignorant tyranny.
J.Gleason
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Doug Huffman wrote:
Doug Huffman wrote:
+100
SAK
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Here's the question. I'm all for no-compromise. I don't think we should have to give anything up in order to get a CCW bill passed.
But are people here going to be against a bill unless it's vermont-style carry? I understand that nature of a right vs. a privilege and asking for permission and all of that. I'm totally with you.
But can we advance one foot at a time. Our legs are not long enough to take steps in miles.
Here's the question. I'm all for no-compromise. I don't think we should have to give anything up in order to get a CCW bill passed.
But are people here going to be against a bill unless it's vermont-style carry? I understand that nature of a right vs. a privilege and asking for permission and all of that. I'm totally with you.
But can we advance one foot at a time. Our legs are not long enough to take steps in miles.
Doug Huffman
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SAK wrote:
We in Wisconsin already enjoy the right to carry a weapon openly without state license.
Permitted carry allows the camel's nose in the too big tent that is already filled to bursting with dishonest brokers of our Rights, leaving no room for mere law abiding citizens. Shall I list the brokers? NRA, NRA affiliates, NRA clients, ... shall I go on?
Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth.
SAK wrote:
Compromise is failure on the installment plan, especially against such an intractable enemy as invincible ignorance.
We in Wisconsin already enjoy the right to carry a weapon openly without state license.
Permitted carry allows the camel's nose in the too big tent that is already filled to bursting with dishonest brokers of our Rights, leaving no room for mere law abiding citizens. Shall I list the brokers? NRA, NRA affiliates, NRA clients, ... shall I go on?
Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth.
J.Gleason
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SAK wrote:
The minute a permitted system is passed in this state, your right to carry has just become a privilege. That means it can be taken away just like your drivers license.
While we may not have the exact same thing as VT/AK we can come as close as possible. While we can advance one foot at a time we need to do it while running.
If it is your God given right to carry then you should not be told how or when to carry.
The minute we give any concessions, they will only want more. So lets start out on the right foot then and not compromise at all.
Let's say that we agree to training. Now the government puppets who probably have never held a gun will lay down strict guidelines that will set the terms of this training.
Then of course you will have to be trained by one of the select instructors that meet the government puppets qualifications. (That usually means one of their friends that is in it for the money.) This means you will have to take this training for how ever long they deem necessary and for how ever much they feel the cost should be. (Remember it is their friends so it won't be cheap.)
So on top of spending all of your hard earned cash to learn something you already know or could learn for free, you may very well have to miss work in order to take this training. You may have to travel to the nearest training facility. You might even need to get a hotel room and pay for all of the travel expenses. Wow! Are you getting this?
Now after you have trained and paid what ever fee that these puppets have decided you should pay to get your "Permit." You are on your way to enjoying your new found privilege.
But wait! You are out shopping with your wife and she asks you to reach something on the shelf for her. As you reach for the item your shirt outlines your hand gun and some shopper decides to make a big stink about it and calls the store manager, who in turn calls the police.
Now you lose your permit because you failed to conceal the hand gun. Wow what a shame. Now you are not only out of all that money you spent on training, but you also lose your "Privilege" to carry as well. Hmmm, don't you wish you hadn't compromised?
Criminals don't have to compromise why should law abiding citizens?
A no compromise CCW/OCW, non-permitted system. Nothing more, nothing less.
Stand strong.
Carry On!
Molon Labe!
SAK wrote:
Truth? No we can't. Because if you try to advance one leg at a time the tyrannical government will use both legs and be ahead of us in this fight. While we will still have our pants down around our ankles they will be tightening their belts.
The minute a permitted system is passed in this state, your right to carry has just become a privilege. That means it can be taken away just like your drivers license.
While we may not have the exact same thing as VT/AK we can come as close as possible. While we can advance one foot at a time we need to do it while running.
If it is your God given right to carry then you should not be told how or when to carry.
The minute we give any concessions, they will only want more. So lets start out on the right foot then and not compromise at all.
Let's say that we agree to training. Now the government puppets who probably have never held a gun will lay down strict guidelines that will set the terms of this training.
Then of course you will have to be trained by one of the select instructors that meet the government puppets qualifications. (That usually means one of their friends that is in it for the money.) This means you will have to take this training for how ever long they deem necessary and for how ever much they feel the cost should be. (Remember it is their friends so it won't be cheap.)
So on top of spending all of your hard earned cash to learn something you already know or could learn for free, you may very well have to miss work in order to take this training. You may have to travel to the nearest training facility. You might even need to get a hotel room and pay for all of the travel expenses. Wow! Are you getting this?
Now after you have trained and paid what ever fee that these puppets have decided you should pay to get your "Permit." You are on your way to enjoying your new found privilege.
But wait! You are out shopping with your wife and she asks you to reach something on the shelf for her. As you reach for the item your shirt outlines your hand gun and some shopper decides to make a big stink about it and calls the store manager, who in turn calls the police.
Now you lose your permit because you failed to conceal the hand gun. Wow what a shame. Now you are not only out of all that money you spent on training, but you also lose your "Privilege" to carry as well. Hmmm, don't you wish you hadn't compromised?
Criminals don't have to compromise why should law abiding citizens?
A no compromise CCW/OCW, non-permitted system. Nothing more, nothing less.
Stand strong.
Carry On!
Molon Labe!