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    Over the past years I always felt like things were spiraling in the money and government control direction but I never followed politics or history enough to have any proof to back it up.

    The proof has apparently been here all along. When you have several hours, or a couple days... I highly recommend viewing these videos.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw (fixed this link, it was broken)

    http://zeitgeist.com

    http://thevenusproject.com


    As important as gun rights are, I think they are trumped by all of this. Simutaniously, it's extremely important they are never lost, but I'm now starting to believe the rights movements need to be fought on a different level.

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    UPDATES:October 20, 2009

    Zeitgeist - Noticed today the website above, zeitgeist.com wasn't working. So to directly watch the movies, go here: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/


    CampFEMA: American Lockdown - The video is purchase only The place where you could watch it free has deleted it's links! http://campfema.com

    I'm a little discouraged with people trying to make profit from documentaries designed to educate for a greater purpose... If it's only to cover shipping and development costs, then I can see where it is acceptable. Use your own judgement.


    American soldier speaks out about IRAQ.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zflf4cpSflM


    Personal view on the Venus Project. It does seem like a great idea, but it has some flaws that seemingly don't have answers.

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    Zeitgeist is a good movie! It really opened my eyes on so many levels.

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    T Vance wrote:
    Zeitgeist is a good movie! It really opened my eyes on so many levels.
    Yeah, it, with the others, surely has caused a revelation in my thought process.

    In fact I am considering building my own hydrogen fuel cell with possibilities of heat and/or electricity production.

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    ethernetweb wrote:
    In fact I am considering building my own hydrogen fuel cell with possibilities of heat and/or electricity production.
    Where from the hydrogen?

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
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    In fact I am considering building my own hydrogen fuel cell with possibilities of heat and/or electricity production.
    Where from the hydrogen?

    I'm not sure I understand your question. If you mean, do I intend to make heat and/or electricity from the hydrogen? The answer is yes.

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    um... doesn't it take electricity to run the hydrogen fuel?

    The ONLY free* power source availible to the average citizen is solar.

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    dougwg wrote:
    um... doesn't it take electricity to run the hydrogen fuel?

    The ONLY free* power source availible to the average citizen is solar.
    ... if you can afford it...
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    ethernetweb wrote:
    Doug Huffman wrote:
    ethernetweb wrote:
    In fact I am considering building my own hydrogen fuel cell with possibilities of heat and/or electricity production.
    Where from the hydrogen?

    I'm not sure I understand your question. If you mean, do I intend to make heat and/or electricity from the hydrogen? The answer is yes.
    I think Doug's question was where are you going to get the hydrogen? Unless you have a hydrogen well in your back yard it is going to take some work to get it.

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    dougwg wrote:
    um... doesn't it take electricity to run the hydrogen fuel?

    The ONLY free* power source availible to the average citizen is solar.
    I'm thinking along the lines of rechargable batteries (initially charged) could be recharged by the heat using a type of heat operated engine. (forced air, steam or Stirling)

    My main thought at this time is to create free heat, or close to it. As long as I can maintain 12 volts at fair amperage (haven't done the math yet).

    Even if it does take some electricity to run, it might be cheaper then city gas or electric heat.

    There are 4 types of 'green' energy. Solar, Wind, Water and Geothermal. All of which are probably too expensive to start.

    All theory at this point. A fun idea, but I doubt I'll get too far because I'm poor

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    Bumping this topic up top - made some important updates.

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    Welcome to the world, my friend. The rabbit hole gets much deeper.

    Do some digging on the USD, OID's, bonds, notes, SSN's, taxes, etc, etc... you'll begin to see the bigger picture.

    I'm with you on the self-sustaining home ideas. We have so much technology and abilities to ween ourselves off the teet of big energy companies... but "for some reason", the technology is highly unaffordable to the average family. I say this: Budget and find a way to afford it. Energy will continue to get more expensive... and I have beliefs that access to energy can easily be used as a tool against the people. Be good little sheep and you'll be rewarded with ModCons. Voice your concerns and find yourself going without.

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    Veritas wrote:
    Welcome to the world, my friend. The rabbit hole gets much deeper.

    Do some digging on the USD, OID's, bonds, notes, SSN's, taxes, etc, etc... you'll begin to see the bigger picture.

    I'm with you on the self-sustaining home ideas. We have so much technology and abilities to ween ourselves off the teet of big energy companies... but "for some reason", the technology is highly unaffordable to the average family. I say this: Budget and find a way to afford it. Energy will continue to get more expensive... and I have beliefs that access to energy can easily be used as a tool against the people. Be good little sheep and you'll be rewarded with ModCons. Voice your concerns and find yourself going without.
    I have done the research on most of what you've mentioned, however I'm still doing more and will likely not stop until I can't find more. I should post more links, I probably will. I'm just afraid that if I get too deep into providing information people may be a bit overwhelmed and discouraged and perhaps go as far as to call me a conspiracy extremist LOL.

    Ultimately, the only power we little civilians have without massive funding, is the spreading of knowledge and encouragement of others to start learning rather than listening. Which, most of us here on this forum are good at, thankfully.

    Totally with you on your views too.

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    If you really want to be labeled a conspiracy theorist, start rolling all these miscellaneous theories together into one story. Most folks tend to agree with bits and pieces of various theories... not many believe they all go hand in hand in some greater scheme. I think many people choose not to believe it for a variety of reasons, chief among them: Fear of it being true and disbelief that such a thing could be happening.

    The internet has paved the path to enlightenment. Never before in the history of mankind has information been so prevalent and quickly shared. Folks can communicate thoughts and ideas across the globe in a matter of seconds. And we needn't rely on big media, with all their corporate and political sponsorships, to disperse information. Cameras built into cell phones, with the ability to upload on the spot... blogs... social media... the methods of communication between world citizens are virtually endless. This is waking folks up.

    It never ceases to amaze me when I meet a new person who shares my beliefs. Several years ago, I worried that folks would think I'm crazy for believing the things I do. Today, I realize there are more people like me than most people realize. The sovereign citizen movement is growing. The media and politicians alike both giggle when they see a group of us get together... what they fail to realize is that isn't some fad that will fade away like the counterculture movement of the 1960's. Times are very different today than they were then. Many of us work ordinary jobs and live ordinary lives, completely aware that our beliefs and ideologies rock the proverbial boat. We pick and choose our battles... we recruit gorilla style... we grow exponentially. With every new person laid off... every new tax imposed... every new corporate scandal brought to light... we grow.

    Based on my interactions with folks, and believe me when I say they are immense; I would be willing to wager that as many as one third of this nation is waking up and embracing these "conspiracy notions". The other two thirds seem to be pretty evenly split amongst the extreme left and the extreme right. There aren't many people left in American who have not yet taken a side.

    I don't think the government realizes just how disenfranchised the People are becoming. I'm sure they have some sort of idea, but I think if they truly understood what's happening in communities across America... the kind of things people talk about... the opinions they have... I think our government would begin making some sweeping changes. The fact that they continue, business as usual, just tells me that they either A) Don't truly understand, or B) Don't truly care. In either situation, it doesn't look good for the nation.

    I hear from so many people, unsolicited, that they believe a civil war is brewing. They believe we are becoming a police state. They believe our rights being legislated away. I can't say I disagree.

    Consider the fact that an AR-15 has increased in value more than the average 401(k) in the last 24 months... that should tell you something. Bullets are in short supply. Folks are beginning to stockpile food and water. Folks are exploring alternate forms of energy to get themselves and their family off the public power grids. People are leaving large metropolis' and heading towards more rural areas. There is a general distrust of the people in power. Police are frowned upon by many. Middle class America continues to shrink... and they're moving down the social ladder rather than up. People are growing more desperate. With desperation, folks take greater risks. Inner city gangs are not losing power... they are in fact gaining. Racial tensions continue to strain... economic battles continue to be waged... and the divide between Republican and Democrat is damn near as wide as the one between 1860's North and South. Corporations rape and pillage the American household, then when their greed virtually destroys them, get taxpayer-funded bailouts while the American people they looted get nothing more than the bill.

    Money is an illusion. It's nothing short of a bearer bond... a debt instrument that carries no financial value other than what the government says its worth on some balance sheet controlled by for-profit banks. Try to cash your dollar bills in for the equivalent value in precious metals and you'll find it's impossible. We have printed more money than we have capital to back up. It seems that counterfeiting is only legal if you are a member of the cartel known as the Federal Reserve. We labor, only to be paid in a promissory note that has no assets to back it up. Adding insult to injury, our promissory notes are reduced by a slave tax. It's basically saying, "Look, we don't have the money to pay you... so take this IOU. Oh, and by the way, we're slashing 30% off what we owe you... if you don't like it, tough." The basic necessities for a human being to SURVIVE are taxed in America. Food, water, shelter... you cannot have any of the three unless you succumb to taxation. And if you choose not to pay taxes, then you lose your freedom. There are IRS agents who carry guns. Why? The IRS isn't even a government branch... much less an executive level of government.

    It costs $3400 an hour to put a Blackhawk helicopter in the sky for one hour. And yet we fly dozens of them 24/7 in foreign airspace. Trillions in fake dollars being spent on unjust and illegal conflicts under the guise of "war", when no war has been declared. Every dime that any of us have ever paid and will EVER pay for the durations of our natural lives in federal income tax has been squandered in Iraq. Roughly 30% of the hours we put in at work... gone. 3 months of every year for the rest of your life... that money you worked for has been pissed away in a matter of 3 or 4 hours in the Middle East. Meanwhile, many people can't afford to pay their mortgages, heat their homes, put gas in their tanks. They go without simple things in life just so they can keep funding special government interests. Soldiers overseas getting paid $20,000 a year providing security for private contractors getting paid $150,000 a year. Nobody is protecting American workers from corporate greed... pay slashed, benefits decreased, all the while workload and required output increases. Pension? Forget about it. Social Security? Not likely to be around in the future. 401(k)? Those are now 201(k)'s. But hey, if you work for the government you get to live pretty fat.

    Do you know how many government employees I talk to every week? It makes me sick. While the rest of us are toiling to make ends meet and eek out any sort of living during our retirement years, retired government employees are earning more than the average American earns while WORKING. $4,000 a month pensions seem to be pretty standard for a rank-and-file government employee. Oh... and many of them still qualify for Social Security benefits on top of that. I'm all for folks being taken care of in their twilight years... afterall, they've earned it. What I'm NOT for, however, is the government turning a blind eye to the private sector and calling it "capitalism" while they do everything in their power to take care of their own calling it "socialism".

    I took a 50% reduction in pay and a 100% increase in the amount of hours worked. What kind of ******** is that? If you round it all out, it equates to a 25% rate of compensation when compared to what I was at this time last year. Where's the government when I need them? Yeah, I know... I don't "have" to work this job. I don't "have" to put up with working an ADDITIONAL 40 hours a week with no pay. Tell that to my mortgage company when they send me the bill every month. I'd almost be better off going unemployed and letting the public trust take care of me. But it's not my style. I try to do the right thing, and this is how I'm rewarded? Thanks to all the politicians out there sticking up for people like me. You're more concerned with your next political campaign than you are with the level of abuse so many American employees are facing.

    You ask a government employee to work so much as ONE hour over 40, and they go into a tizzy unless you're paying them time and a half. Private companies are seemingly allowed to violate labor laws by compelling you to sign contracts stating that you're exempt from the law. Certain industries have monoploized this practice. Anyone with a career in finance is virtually screwed, considering that every financial company in America has formed an alliance to drive their employees with slave wages and labor. Unless, of course, you're executive level. Then the sky's the limit... you can take what you want.

    It's not just my industry, unfortunately. It's a practice that is quickly spreading into other fields.

    I think what pisses me off most of all is that I realize I'm being paid in worthless bearer bonds. It is, in its most basic form, slave labor. Nobody in America is PAID anything... we merely have fictional assets transferred from one balance sheet to another... and in return we are allowed to redeem these credits for goods and services. At the end of the day, we never truly own anything... everything is taxed on some level, and refusal to pay those taxes results in the forfeiture of property. That's not ownership. In my book, that's called "renting and leasing".

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    You're preeching to the choire, but I tell you this, I respect and agree with 99.5% of everything you said. It's always nice to meet someone who has done their homework!

    When either of our broke poverty stricken asses can afford it, I wouldn't mind having some coffee or a meal with you some time. You seem like someone I would want to be friends with.

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    I recently received a subscription to Rolling Stone magazine after not reading it for years. It certainly has changed a lot from the days of my youth. Anyway I was astounded when I read an article about the banks in this months issue. I was gonna tell you all it's a must read go buy a copy now, but alas here it is online you can read it here. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/30481512/wall_streets_naked_swindle This is a very long article in the magazine and it's 8 pages on the web site, but I guarantee it's worth reading. If more people find out whats really happening maybe something can be done to stop this corporate greed that is literally destroying this country.

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    drew68 wrote:
    I recently received a subscription to Rolling Stone magazine after not reading it for years. It certainly has changed a lot from the days of my youth. Anyway I was astounded when I read an article about the banks in this months issue. I was gonna tell you all it's a must read go buy a copy now, but alas here it is online you can read it here. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/30481512/wall_streets_naked_swindle This is a very long article in the magazine and it's 8 pages on the web site, but I guarantee it's worth reading. If more people find out whats really happening maybe something can be done to stop this corporate greed that is literally destroying this country.
    WOW, just read the article.
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    Completely, totally, undeniably, purely, altogether, entirely, utterly, wholely .... not supprised. Again, the blame falls back to the "international bankers".

    Amazing article though, I will be sharing it with as many as possible.

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    For those interested, here's a few more GREAT blogs covering the wall street BS:


    http://www.zerohedge.com/

    http://market-ticker.org/

    http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/


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    Can anyone say "Robber Barons"?

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    drew68 wrote:
    I recently received a subscription to Rolling Stone magazine after not reading it for years. It certainly has changed a lot from the days of my youth. Anyway I was astounded when I read an article about the banks in this months issue. I was gonna tell you all it's a must read go buy a copy now, but alas here it is online you can read it here. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/30481512/wall_streets_naked_swindle This is a very long article in the magazine and it's 8 pages on the web site, but I guarantee it's worth reading. If more people find out whats really happening maybe something can be done to stop this corporate greed that is literally destroying this country.
    You got it man.

    Believe me... I sit right in the belly of the beast. I can tell you stories about **** I've heard executives say at meetings... the types of things they push for.

    One meeting in particular, last December, really left a sour taste in my mouth. We had just laid off about 98% of an entire department about 2 weeks before Christmas. The rest of us who fortunate enough to keep our jobs were given additional workloads, decreased staff, decreased resources, and decreased income. Almost simultaneously, as all this was being announced, a corporate executive had the gall to get up in front of the audience and ask us to reach into our pockets to donate $100 a month to the corporations PAC (political action committee). I'll spare you the details, but there were some questions from us in the audience. Things like "What will our money support?" "WHO will our money support?" Etc, etc. The executive talked over us like we were too stupid to understand the "complex world of politics" and, more or less, explained that our donations would be used to lobby politicians who sought to secure protective positions for financial companies at the expense of their consumers and the American public.

    I truly believe this executive was so disillusioned, living in his ivory tower, that he neglected to realize that the very people he was speaking about were the type of people sitting in the room working for him. Nevermind the fact that he was traveling around, from State to State, flying FIRST CLASS, seeking non-deductible political contributions... and on company time. Meanwhile, he was one of the very people who voted to cut hundreds of people out of their jobs two weeks before Christmas.

    That was a low point for me. And just so folks know, the politicians they support tend to be the type who are anti-People... the kind who want to strike the 2A. They support a hell of a lot of politicans from Illinois, if that gives you any indication.

    It wasn't long after that that I began removing myself away from the corporate bossom and starting seperating my work contacts from my social contacts (in other words, leaving work at work and not involving work people in my social life, or vice versa). At one point, my boss expressed a great deal of interest in my out of work activities. He asked questions about who I was hanging out with, who I was friends with, and what sort of things I do when I'm not at work. Sensing a set up, I declined to answer. When HIS boss began asking similar questions, I KNEW something was up. I poignently told his boss, respectfully of course, that what I did outside of the company walls while I was on my own time was none of her concern. Apparantly, it was the wrong thing to say. By January of that year, my boss warned me that I, and I quote, "Have a target on (my) back" and to be careful because there were "spies watching (me) at work". By February, I was sitting in front of that same boss, as well as HIS boss, and was told that I no longer had a job. Conveniently, during the meeting, he completely forgot about his warning to me just one month prior. They (the two of them together) attempted to discern whether or not I was having a relationship with a member of my staff outside of work. The fact is that I was NOT. I was, in fact, dating someone at the time who was not, nor was ever, an employee of my company; although she was very good friends with someone who worked there. All the while, as I'm being accused, I couldn't help but think of all the people above me who slept their way around the company. My boss, for instance, was screwing one of my colleagues. The boss I had before him had screwed at least two of my colleagues and made a sordid attempt at screwing my assistant (before firing her later that year). Of all the things they could have made up to pin on me, THAT'S what they chose to run with? In all my years with that company, I had never screwed anyone I worked with... never screwed anyone at the company. And yet I was accused of such, no investigation into the matter whatsoever, by people who were guilty of what they accused me of doing. Company trips... tales of naked asses running from one hotel to the next were no big secret. The president of one of our divisions married a lower-level staff member (who was mysteriously promotoed to executive level not long thereafter, go figure).

    There's so much more to this story... I just don't care to spread the details right now. Companies like this don't deserve to be in business. Nevermind how much they screw eachother, I can't even begin to tell you how badly they screw their own consumers. That's something that plagued me in my last several months with that company... when they began adopting all these new policies that harmed consumers, I used my position with the company to make exceptions for folks who needed them. I couldn't justify charging a little old lady, barely getting by on her dead husbands SSI income, $600 for a $20 issue. She needs the money a hell of a lot more than any corporation does.

    I was so sick about it that I began writing a book about my experiences in the business. Problem is that now I'm working so many hours that I haven't the time nor energy to continue with it. But believe me, as an insider, I can share tons of intimate knowledge about the goings on of the world of finance... on nearly all levels. I can't help but think that one of the worst things companies like this can do is train people like me... and to let us behind their closed doors into the room that consumers don't ever get to see. I owe them no allegiance, especially since they have shown none to me. I'd be happy to sing like a canary... when the time and forum is proper. Haha.. and I am far from alone in my opinion. The more these companies crap on their workforce... especially of the variety who has access to sensitive data, the more they will stand to lose face in the eyes of the pulic when these employees have had enough. I am just about to that point. Although I need my income right now, so the time is not yet right. As soon as that can be adequately replaced, all gloves are off. And I will love every minute of it.

    I can honestly say, however, that I have always maintained my ethics... I have never sold that out, nor will I ever. This is, to me, the chief reason why I'm in the position I am now. But it is what it is, and at least I can sleep at night.

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    You take the money and power cocktail and give it to someone without common sense or remorse, they're only going to show you greed and selfishness.

    People that act that way make me sick, and I have no problem saying it right to their face. In all honesty, in my early 20's, I used to be one of them, and I definately learned my lesson.

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