Ammo?

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Hello all,

My son just asked me if Governor Arnold passed a law requiring CA residents that want to purchase any ammo, that it must now be registered. Any comments if this is true?

Thanks,Walt from Pennsylvania

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iownagn-gs wrote:

Hello all,

My son just asked me if Governor Arnold passed a law requiring CA residents that want to purchase any ammo, that it must now be registered. Any comments if this is true?

Thanks,Walt from Pennsylvania

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There is already a gigantic thread about this.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum12/26011.html

Not now, maybe later (2011), maybe not at all, depending on the high profile 2A cases and nullifying legislation.

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iownagn-gs wrote:

Hello all,

My son just asked me if Governor Arnold passed a law requiring CA residents that want to purchase any ammo, that it must now be registered. Any comments if this is true?

Thanks,Walt from Pennsylvania

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No, it is not true.
What the governor signed into law was Assembly Bill 962. The new law, when it goes into effect in Feb. 2011, will require the ammunition vendor to record information of the buyer of handgun ammunition, and take a finger print. This information will remain in the vendors possession for a limited amount of time. The vendor must allow specified persons, under specified conditions to examine those records.
Also, the new law, if not overturned, will eliminate most internet sales of handgun ammunition to CA and specify how a vendor may display handgun ammunition for sale.
The California Rifle and Pistol Association, CalGuns Foundation and the NRA are all looking at ways to challenge this law before it goes into effect.

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To be fair, he probably read the thread's subtitle "AB 962 BILL WOULD REGISTER BUYERS OF HANDGUN AMMUNITION" or another form of press release on this.

And, people define registration differently. The American Heritage Dictionary has one definition as: An entry in a register. Which record-keeping would be.

Some might say any record-keeping that the government can get access to without a huge federal court battle over privacy rights (or that which could be if the target of the .gov has sufficient funds for legal representation) is registration. The libertarian in me takes this position as well.

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Thanks for the responses, it's a relief to know our government is hard at work for all of us?

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iownagn-gs wrote:

Thanks for the responses, it's a relief to know our government is hard at work for all of us who own guns responsibly to go to prison?

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Fixed. :banghead:

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N6ATF wrote:

iownagn-gs wrote:

Thanks for the responses, it's a relief to know our government is hard at work for all of us who own guns responsibly to go to prison?

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Fixed. :banghead:

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How do some of those individuals get into office in the first place?:cuss:

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dirtykoala wrote:

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The whole pretense of Obama's campaign! Yikes!:banghead::lol:

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iownagn-gs wrote:

How do some of those individuals get into office in the first place?:cuss:

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Same way all these ass-bags get into office. Money. Lots of it.

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A lot of people are fed up now, one of these sad days the lid is gonna blow!

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iownagn-gs wrote:

N6ATF wrote:

iownagn-gs wrote:

Thanks for the responses, it's a relief to know our government is hard at work for all of us who own guns responsibly to go to prison?

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Fixed. :banghead:

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How do some of those individuals get into office in the first place?:cuss:

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There's a mystical link between being evil and being elected. :banghead:

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Do I understand this law to require the gun store clerkto take a fingerprint of the buyer? Or, does the buyer have to report to law enforcement to administer this fingerprint requirement?

At any rate, ammo shortages will be a lot more severe due to this new legislation andwill no doubteffect the surrounding states supply of ammo with golden staters jumping across the borders.As far as mail order is concerned what cities in California, if any, already outlawed such a practice?

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flintlock tom wrote:

The California Rifle and Pistol Association, CalGuns Foundation and the NRA are all looking at ways to challenge this law before it goes into effect.

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I gotta empathize with thefolks from Cali. Hopefully, CRPA, CalGunsand NRA will prevail.






[align=left]Governor Schwarzenegger/California Lawmakers Squander Limited Financial Resources on Firearm Owner Registration Scheme


Tuesday, October 13, 2009



Fairfax, Va. - Governor Schwarzenegger has signed a severe yet impotent gun control measure into law. Assembly Bill 962, taking effect on February 1, 2011, mandates individuals purchasing ammunition to be fingerprinted and registered at the time of sale and outlaws mail order ammunition purchases. AB 962 also requires dealers to maintain these records indefinitely and make them available for inspection by the California Department of Justice. As an additional burden, ammunition retailers are also required to store ammunition away from purchasers. AB 962 also failed to garner support from Attorney General Brown, and any law enforcement organization. In fact, 15 sheriffs wrote letters of opposition to this legislation.

“This law presents intrusive and unnecessary burdens that will only affect law-abiding firearm retailers and gun-owners…not criminals,” said Chris W. Cox, NRA chief lobbyist. “At a time when California is facing dire budget problems, California has squandered valuable resources in policing law-abiding Californians instead of investing in substantive measures that target criminals. More than two decades ago, Congress abolished similar requirements to U.S. federal law because ammunition sales records were found to be ineffective for solving crimes. It is indeed regrettable that foolish minds and bogus arguments prevailed over common sense and empirical evidence.”

Governor Schwarzenegger vetoed Senate Bill 585, a bill that would have prohibited the sale of firearms and ammunition on the property or inside the buildings that comprise the Cow Palace in Daly City, just outside of San Francisco. He also signed Senate Bill 175, which will exempt gunsmiths from a vague California law. This exemption will now allow for the exchange of a firearm to or from a gunsmith for purposes of service or repair.

“Governor Schwarzenegger acted in the interest of good public policy with his actions to SB 585 and SB 175. But, in signing AB 962, he has paved the way for one of the most intrusive and ineffective gun control laws that California has seen in recent years,” said Cox.

The National Rifle Association will review all possible options to remove this draconian, requirement from California statute, and will assess legislative and legal remedies to do so.

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Now I get it, Schwarzenegger equals Waffler!:celebrate

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I owe a huge apology to all including myself. I voted for the Governator the first time I could legally vote. I did not do my research as I do now and just followed blindly.

I did not even do my research before moving home to CA from WA and sadly now I'm in a position where I can not leave my beautiful home state possibly until retirement. (I'm only 24 :banghead

So as it stands now I will keep up the good fight and do all that I can to right these wrongs.

But to answer you question about how these @#$holes get into office, Lack of critical thinking skills among the citizens of the U.S.

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Little by little, step by step, our elected leaders-officials are taking away the rights of good, honest citizens of this land. Second ammendment issues are big headlines. Now they want to fingerprint you, me, the honest citizen when buying ammunition for your personal protection weapon that was guarantied legal by the United States Constitution. If this goes into effect in CA, who is next? Too much attention is being directed to the majority populace and not enough is being done to deter crime commited by the minority.

One example is the penal system of today. Human rights have given the bad guys the wrong signal. Certainly, nobody promotes and encourages brutalizing a human being. But when the crime commited calls for the punishment, hand it out.

A friend of mine sent me an e-mail that contains photos of a current day prison. I was unable to upload the file, but for those that are curious, I believe if you do a search for "New Cook County Correctional Institution of Chicago Illinois" you will see for yourself the conditions an inmate has to endure while incarcerated.

The real life prisoner, Henri Charriere, depicted in the movie "Pappillon" would have crapped himself with joy.

Deterrence, ha, ha!:celebrate