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curtiswr posted:
Gun smugglers aided by U.S. yard-sale loophole
No supporting facts stated
curtiswr posted:
The origin of handguns smuggled into Canada from the U.S. is often impossible to track due to a U.S. loophole that lets dealers sell guns without any paperwork at garage sales, auctions and gun shows.
Uhhh, actually, no ... any FFL Dealer who sells any gun, other than a personal, registered gun, must complete FFL paperwork which includes purchaser's name, address, etc. Other than that, if you have bought the gun during licensing years, you had better have a name of who you sold the gun to in case you ever have to prove that you did NOT sell the gun to the criminal. Other than that, it is no one's business when or where you sold the gun, or to whom. I DIDN'T say send/file the information to BATFE, just hold it in your private records.
curtiswr posted:
Once someone sells a gun through that type of a private transaction in the U.S., police can no longer follow its trail, said Ottawa Police Det. Chris Benson.
Again, not necessarily true, depends just how badly you want to CYA, and I've seen what happens when you don't sell to a credible person, and an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
curtiswr posted:
"'Cause there's no document and he hasn't broken the law," Benson said, "we can't trace that firearm beyond him and after he sells it. That could exchange hands 10 times before it's used in a crime and recovered and maybe make its way up to Canada."
Maybe the Canadian officials cannot trace the gun, but if the BATFE shows up wanting to know what happened to the gun, you bet you will want to have your own documentation. In your PRIVATE files.
curtiswr posted:
Licensed dealers in the U.S. have to file paperwork about a buyer and have a legal obligation to report suspicious transactions, aiding police in investigations such as a double shooting at Pari's Motel in Ottawa on June 21, 2007, that killed 28-year-old Phillip Salmon and 32-year-old Ziad Ahmad.
Jury selection was continuing Tuesday for the trail of Kwaku Frimpong of Ottawa who was charged with first-degree murder in those deaths. Frimpong was 23 at the time of the shooting.
curtiswr posted:
N.B. resident convicted of gun-running
U.S. databases and the paper trail created when the .40-caliber pistol used in that homicide was legitimately purchased at a store in Maine allowed police to trace the gun to 32-year-old New Brunswick resident Andrew Porter, who is currently serving time in the U.S. after pleading guilty to gun smuggling.
OK, evidently the gun was purchased before the criminal was convicted of a felony ... whose crystal ball was supposed to reveal this fact?
curtiswr posted:
However, no forms or background checks are required in many states for private sales.
Again, how does this contribute to illegal guns from US being used in crimes in Canada?
curtiswr posted:
After such sales, even a serial number is not enough to reveal where the gun game from, Ottawa police say.
ditto ... although he may be talking about a gun that was purchased before forced registration, which would then not be in any database other than the manufacturer's, but we are not required to register any guns other than purchased in any way other than a private sale.
curtiswr posted:
Investigators said they were able to reconstruct the path of the Pari's Motel gun and trace about 30 others imported through the same network because Porter obtained the guns legally. An accomplice in Maine would go to a legitimate gun store and buy 10 cheap handguns at a time, leaving a paper trail.
Lawrence Sears, a 63-year-old man who is serving jail time for purchasing guns for Porter, told CBC News that Porter used what locals called the "Milktown crossing," which is smaller than the main Calais-St Stephen border post and doesn't have an X-ray machine as the main crossing does. He also knew the customs officials well.
"He put 'em [the guns] under the seat and away he went to Canada with them," Sears said. "He knew what customs was on when he was going across the border."
Actually, Porter was on the receiving end of a "straw purchase," then received the guns with the intention to import the guns into Canada (without a FFL license, Canadian Import License), with the intent of selling the guns in a country where gun ownership is illegal, without declaring the guns at Customs, improper transport of firearms, intentionally avoiding Customs, (probably) suborning Customs Officers. Looks like at least 8 felonies per gun were committed by Porter, and Sears, too.
Evidently, Canada
still hasn't learned that when you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. And this is our problem how? Why? When did it become our problem?
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