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    John,



    Attached is what I have asked to be placed on next Tuesdays

    (oct. 27)agenda. Hope to see you there.



    Scott

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    WARREN, MICHIGAN[/b]


    CITY COUNCIL[/b]


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    Mary M. Kamp, President Scott C. Stevens, Asst. Sec’y. Mark Liss[/b]


    Donna K. Caumartin, Vice President Robert Boccomino Kathy J. Vogt[/b]


    Keith J. Sadowski, Secretary Patrick Green Steven G. Warner[/b]


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    REQUEST FOR AGENDA ITEM

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    DATE: [/b]10-20-09

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    COUNCIL MEMBER: [/b]Scott C. Stevens [/b]

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    REQUEST: [/b]In re: Abrogation of: (1) Article VII, Division 2, Section 22-165, Carrying loaded firearm, (2) Article VII, Division 2, Section 22-166 Carrying concealed weapon, and Article VII, Division 2, Section 22-167 of the Warren Code of City Ordinances._______________________________________ __________________

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    REASON: [/b]These ordinances are not enforceable in view of MCL 123.1102. Cities cannot regulate firearms except as otherwise provided by federal or state law.

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    let me know if he forgot something amd needs to add it before the meeting??

    im going whoelse is??

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    I'm still sticking needles in my eyes from the last one. Well done, They are the largest city to change their firearmordinance (if they do).
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    Yes, he is missing something. Part of #168 needs to be changed as well as highlighted. !I could be wrong about the third part!

    Sec. 22-168. Dangerous weapons.


    (a)No person shall possess on their person, on a bicycle, on a motorcycle or motor bike, or in the passenger compartment of any vehicle, any machine gun, sawed-off shotgun, sling shot, sand club, sand bag, switch-blade knife, stiletto, dagger, dirk, razor, knife having a blade over three (3) inches in length, metal knuckles, martial arts weapon, gun, handgun, pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, BB gun, pellet gun, air gun, imitation pistol, or any dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument, or any instrument attached to or designed to be attached to any firearm for the purpose of silencing, lessening, or muffling the noise of the firing of any firearm; except as otherwise permitted by law. A person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the city such weapon or instrument.

    (b)No person under the age of eighteen (18) shall possess a blow gun or a crossbow.

    (c)No person shall sell blow guns or crossbows to any one under the age of eighteen (18).

    (d)Sections (b) and (c) shall not prohibit the possession of or sale of a crossbow to physically disabled persons twelve (12) years or older when said possession and/or purchase is pursuant to a permit granted by the Michigan Department of Natural Resources, and such person is in possession of said permit.

    (Code 1967, § 8-210; Ord. No. 80-452, § 1, 4-12-94; Ord. No. 80-502, § 1, 10-22-96)

    State law references: Dangerous weapons, MCL 750.224 et seq.
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    here is his e-mail and phone #



    Scott c. Stevens

    assistant council secretary

    phone-586-486-4438

    scs425@wowway.com

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    johnnyd74 wrote:
    here is his e-mail and phone #



    Scott c. Stevens

    assistant council secretary

    phone-586-486-4438

    scs425@wowway.com
    Is this a request for me to contact him? I just want to make sure so he doesn't get multiple contacts.
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    yes, sorry im sooo busy working on my house i cant even do anything else!!

    thanks,john

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    Done.
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    I have nothing but good to say for Mr. Stevens. Not only is he going to be sure to address the additional ordinance, but he even saw a discrepency in a crossbow regulation that he is going to address.

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    Dear Mr. Sayers,



    Thanks for the comments but, it's individuals such as yourself, those that carry the torch, those that stand-up and are willing to be counted that deserve any credit. People who stay informed and hold their elected officials accountable and call them to task have a tiring and thankless, but, oh-so importantjob. Thanks and keep up the good work.



    Yes, you are right. Section 22-168 does need to be amended. In addition to the items you highlighted, huntingwith a crossbowhas been extended toeveryone. I will address the amendments separate as there are a number of them throughoutour code of ordinances that require amending.



    Thanks again.



    Scott

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    JeffSayers wrote:
    I have nothing but good to say for Mr. Stevens. Not only is he going to be sure to address the additional ordinance, but he even saw a discrepency in a crossbow regulation that he is going to address.

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    Dear Mr. Sayers,



    Thanks for the comments but, it's individuals such as yourself, those that carry the torch, those that stand-up and are willing to be counted that deserve any credit. People who stay informed and hold their elected officials accountable and call them to task have a tiring and thankless, but, oh-so importantjob. Thanks and keep up the good work.



    Yes, you are right. Section 22-168 does need to be amended. In addition to the items you highlighted, huntingwith a crossbowhas been extended toeveryone. I will address the amendments separate as there are a number of them throughoutour code of ordinances that require amending.



    Thanks again.



    Scott

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    Any change should probably either have a three-year sunset or perhaps reference state law so that the sunset provision is covered.

    This webpage details not only the sunset provision, but also details other aspects of the crossbow regulations: http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7...0298--,00.html
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