Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: Gonna play Devil's Advocate

  1. #1
    Regular Member Outdoorsman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Genesee County, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    273

    Post imported post

    I live in an area between the suburbs and the boonies. Most of the placesmy wife , son and Itravel are considered safe, relatively peaceful areas. These are not "high-crime" inner city areas. Do I really need to carry openly or concealed? My wife will say occassionally, "Why are you carrying here, it's a safe area?" My usual response is, "Hey, crime can happen anywhere!" Part of me wonders if I'm just being paranoid and overly cautious. But then I think to myself, "...you just never know." I'm sure I'll probably get "ripped on" for thinking this way, but I'm just curious to see if anyone else has these thoughts. By the way, I still mostly carry concealed over open.

  2. #2
    Regular Member autosurgeon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Lawrence, Michigan, United States
    Posts
    3,845

    Post imported post

    Read my post about the fool in Lawrence... A place that has almost 0 crime and that when it does have is usually petty theft...

    Bad things can happen in good places!
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

  3. #3
    Anti-Saldana Freedom Fighter Venator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Lansing area, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    6,446

    Post imported post

    Outdoorsman wrote:
    I live in an area between the suburbs and the boonies. Most of the placesmy wife , son and Itravel are considered safe, relatively peaceful areas. These are not "high-crime" inner city areas. Do I really need to carry openly or concealed? My wife will say occassionally, "Why are you carrying here, it's a safe area?" My usual response is, "Hey, crime can happen anywhere!" Part of me wonders if I'm just being paranoid and overly cautious. But then I think to myself, "...you just never know." I'm sure I'll probably get "ripped on" for thinking this way, but I'm just curious to see if anyone else has these thoughts. By the way, I still mostly carry concealed over open.
    You said you live in a safe area. Do you ever lock your house up at night? If so why? Do you lock yourvehicles up? If so why? Do you have insurance? If so why? Do you wear a seat belt or buckle your kids up while driving? If so Why?

    After all, the chances of something bad happening, whether a crime or an accident are very low. I hope you get the idea I'm trying to convey and this is not an attack on you and yours. This may help you with your wives perception of why we should all carry often. Because one never knows what will happen.
    An Amazon best seller "MY PARENTS OPEN CARRY" http://www.myparentsopencarry.com/

    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

  4. #4
    Regular Member Michigander's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Mulligan's Valley
    Posts
    4,830

    Post imported post

    One of the most peaceful and friendly places I've ever been to, at least in my short time I had there, was Coolidge Arizona. I felt odd OCing there, because it seemed impossible that there was any reason I'd need to be armed, because everyone was so nice.

    As I recall, a week or two after our job there was finished, someone was murdered there.

    Human nature can get ugly, even in the nicest of places. And let's not forget about 4 legged reasons to carry.
    Answer every question about open carry in Michigan you ever had with one convenient and free book- http://libertyisforeveryone.com/open-carry-resources/

    The complete and utter truth can be challenged from every direction and it will always hold up. Accordingly there are few greater displays of illegitimacy than to attempt to impede free thought and communication.

  5. #5
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Grand County, Colorado, USA
    Posts
    249

    Post imported post

    It's better to be prepared 1,000,000 times and not need to, then to be unprepared once and wish you were.

  6. #6
    Regular Member PDinDetroit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    SE, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    2,336

    Post imported post

    Better To Have And Not Need Than Need And Not Have.

    I OC where I am comfortable and CC where I am not. My daughter has explicitly asked me not to OC at her soccer games, but still wants me to carry there. My mom has explicitly asked me not to OC at her home, but still wants me to carry there. To date, I have abided by their wishes as I am still able to defend myself and them if it comes down to it. I OC other places and both have no issues with it when they are with me. Keeping the peace with them is more important at this point and people are won over to OC little by slowly... They need time for a "frame of reference" change that a normal person (as normal as I will ever get) wears a pistol openly and they are not a LEO or a Cowboy/Wild-West Type Dude.

    It is still new to all of us as I have only owned pistols for a year now, have been OC'ing for 5 months, and have been CC'ing for 3 months. I have owned firearms for many years, but those have been cased unless I was hunting or target shooting.

    Rights are like muscles. You must EXERCISE THEM to keep them from becoming atrophied.

  7. #7
    Regular Member DanM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    West Bloomfield, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    1,937

    Post imported post

    Outdoorsman wrote:
    My wife will say occassionally, "Why are you carrying here, it's a safe area?"
    It's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

    Other responses to your wife'squestion:

    • "Why do we have armed police, it's a safe area?"
    • "Why do we have 9-1-1, it's a safe area?"
    • "Why do people wear seatbelts, it's a safe area?"
    • "Why do people have life insurance,it's a safe area?"
    • "Why do people have fire detectors andextinguishers, it's a safe area?"
    • "Why do people have car insurance, it's a safe area?"
    "The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi . . ."--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

    “He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by non-violently facing death, may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden.”--M. K. Gandhi

    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi

  8. #8
    Guest

    Post imported post

    Coruna is a quiet little town in the southern central part of the state. No real crime to "worry" about. But a guy went on a shooting spree there a few weeks ago.

    A few years back I was taking the family to a restaurant. We parked, got out and I notice a police car parked facing a pick-up in the shopping center lot next door. The cruiser doors were open and both officers were laying on the ground motionless. On the ground next to the pick-up was a guy laying there. Also motionless. No one else. We had arrived litterally moments after a shoot-out. It was about 6PM on a mid summer evening in Waterford. Within moments police swarmed the area.

    If I was psycho, err psychic, I'd know when to carry & when it wasn't necessary.

  9. #9
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Ludington, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    39

    Post imported post

    Here's a simple way to put it:

    It's not about the odds, it's about the stakes.

  10. #10
    Regular Member Taurus850CIA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    , Michigan, USA
    Posts
    1,071

    Post imported post

    CV67PAT wrote:
    Coruna is a quiet little town in the southern central part of the state. No real crime to "worry" about. But a guy went on a shooting spree there a few weeks ago.

    A few years back I was taking the family to a restaurant. We parked, got out and I notice a police car parked facing a pick-up in the shopping center lot next door. The cruiser doors were open and both officers were laying on the ground motionless. On the ground next to the pick-up was a guy laying there. Also motionless. No one else. We had arrived litterally moments after a shoot-out. It was about 6PM on a mid summer evening in Waterford. Within moments police swarmed the area.

    If I was psycho, err psychic, I'd know when to carry & when it wasn't necessary.
    I have a similar reply for when someone asks me why I carry all the time. I tell them that if I knew when and where I'd need it, I'd simply stay away. No better cure for violence than prevention. But, I am not psychic either, so I carry...
    "Fault always lies in the same place, my fine babies: with him weak enough to lay blame." - Cort

    Gun control is like trying to reduce Drunk Driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

    Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.

    The answer to "1984" is "
    1776"

    With freedom comes much responsibility. It is for this reason so many are loathe to exercise it.

  11. #11
    Regular Member Outdoorsman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Genesee County, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    273

    Post imported post

    Thanks everyone for all your comments. I especially like the one from Fishous; "It's not about the odds, it's about the stakes".Let's keep ourselves and our loved onessafe!

  12. #12
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Oakland County, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    662

    Post imported post

    Fishous wrote:
    Here's a simple way to put it:

    It's not about the odds, it's about the stakes.
    +1,000,000

    It doesn't get any simpler than that.

  13. #13
    Guest

    Post imported post

    Fishous wrote:
    Here's a simple way to put it:

    It's not about the cods, it's about the steaks.


Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •