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    I've seen in the paper, here, as of late, 3 home invasions in 30 days. The first were caught, but now come the copy cats. I thought I would be safe out on the edge of the 'burbs. But now I've gone to, not so much OC at home, but (weapon) available, with the magazine in my pocket- for comfort. The machine won't do me any good locked in the gun vault. I haven't announced my decision to my family. Just strategically placed my weapon as to get to it. And for some time now it will "go to bed with me". Just throwing it out there for discussion, and wondering who else? And where else?
    the magazine won't do you any good in your pocket either in my opinion. The best place for the magazine is in the firearm unless of course you have a particular reason for not having a loaded magazine in your gun.

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    I've seen in the paper, here, as of late, 3 home invasions in 30 days. The first were caught, but now come the copy cats. I thought I would be safe out on the edge of the 'burbs. But now I've gone to, not so much OC at home, but (weapon) available, with the magazine in my pocket- for comfort. The machine won't do me any good locked in the gun vault. I haven't announced my decision to my family. Just strategically placed my weapon as to get to it. And for some time now it will "go to bed with me". Just throwing it out there for discussion, and wondering who else? And where else?
    the magazine won't do you any good in your pocket either in my opinion. The best place for the magazine is in the firearm unless of course you have a particular reason for not having a loaded magazine in your gun.
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    McX wrote:
    I've seen in the paper, here, as of late, 3 home invasions in 30 days. The first were caught, but now come the copy cats. I thought I would be safe out on the edge of the 'burbs. But now I've gone to, not so much OC at home, but (weapon) available, with the magazine in my pocket- for comfort. The machine won't do me any good locked in the gun vault. I haven't announced my decision to my family. Just strategically placed my weapon as to get to it. And for some time now it will "go to bed with me". Just throwing it out there for discussion, and wondering who else? And where else?
    The proper place while at home, it loaded in a holster on your person.

    If you keep the unloaded gun in a "convenient place", what happens when they kick the door in and you happen to have gone to the fridge for a cold drink, or gone to the bathroom?

    With the gun in a holster, it is secure from access by the kids, and it is readily accessible to you even if it is in the holster on the belt around your ankles while in the can.



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    In and around the house I carry in an open 'bucket' holster on my belt. I carry cross draw in that it doesn't interfere with anything. I used to carry a Mak 9x18mm, but have recently begun carrying my wifes DW-40 .40 S&W in the same manner.

    In a home invasion... you haven't got time to 'get it'.

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    McX wrote:
    I haven't announced my decision to my family. Just strategically placed my weapon as to get to it.
    There are 2 loaded Glock 19's, one loaded AK-47, and one loaded AR-15 in my house. The family knows where they are and that they are loaded (even the little ones :ghasp: ) and they all know how to use them.
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    I really disgree with this one! That means that we can have any yahoo running around with a gun with out the proper training. This really scares the hell out of me. Just my two-cents!
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    Joe Schmedlap out there with a loaded weapon thinking he's going to deter crime and he's not even trained to fire his weapon safely just kinda makes my hair on the back of my neck stand up.

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    I agree with the others, McX. Carry loaded and on you person at all times.

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    As I type this my Glock 21 is sitting next to me in the Glock sport holster. If I go anywhere in the house it goes with me. The only reason it is not on my belt is because I am in my PJ's.

    If your worried about a home invasion there is absolutely no reason not to be armed at all times. An intruder will not wait for you to run to wherever so that you can arm yourself.
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    My home defense weapon is my Remington 870 EBS.

    I bought it from an acquaintance for ~$200, sent it to Wilson Combat Arms for ~$200 and put a couple of hundred dollars of furniture (ATR?). The first two rounds are birdshot followed by 00.

    Usually I use it to chase the deer out of the yard, like swatting flies with an elephant gun.

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    I live in the sticks, in a small cabin by myself. I have loaded guns EVERYWHERE!

    I can count 13 from where I sit. Even have one in the potty. My Jack Russell is my first line of defense.

    The warm glow of the night sights on my Glock 21within reach from my bed lulls me into a peaceful euphoric sleep reaching for the arms of morpheus nightly.

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    McX wrote:
    I've seen in the paper, here, as of late, 3 home invasions in 30 days. The first were caught, but now come the copy cats. I thought I would be safe out on the edge of the 'burbs. But now I've gone to, not so much OC at home, but (weapon) available, with the magazine in my pocket- for comfort. The machine won't do me any good locked in the gun vault. I haven't announced my decision to my family. Just strategically placed my weapon as to get to it. And for some time now it will "go to bed with me". Just throwing it out there for discussion, and wondering who else? And where else?
    Sounds good to me. You have a firearm available for use and relatively quick access to it.

    I don't know why you separate the mag from the gun. But assuming you have a good reason for that, then it's OK.

    What kind of doors/doorframes/locks do you have in your home? Strong...weak?

    Any security system? Inside or outside?

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    In any event, the recent home invaders are still out there, and haven't been caught yet. They come in groups, and armed, according to the paper.
    So when they're caught the danger is past?

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    That is the beauty of having 2 very large dogs.
    If a home invasion does take place, the pooches will put up a fight with whoever is stupid enough to enter their home without my permission.

    I pity the fool that opens our unlocked doors and walks in uninvited.



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    Thanks for the input guys. And your right in many respects. right now I'm just waking up to the reality of it; that's it's not going to get any better out there. This is a big first step for me, out of the gun vault, and available. I agree totally that it won't do me any good without being loaded, and may be in another room from me when needed. But like I said, it's my first steps on this. Damn shame the world has come to this, and that I'm not alone about active home defense. I'm going to be subtle about it, as not to attract the kids attention in the house. My wife did notice the magazine sitting out with me, and said nothing. Slowly either she's seeing the reality too, or is becoming desensitized to a weapon around the house. Kinda hard to carry it on me in those damn draw string lounging pants! I'm even looking forward to how this progresses, as I don't know yet either. In any event, the recent home invaders are still out there, and haven't been caught yet. They come in groups, and armed, according to the paper.
    They come in groups? Does your wife know how to use a firearm? Does she have one of her own to keep around the house, when your not there? How about your kids, any of them big enough to handle a firearm?

    If these thugs are in groups, you need to be able to greet them with your own little army of combatants.

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    I live on the far south side of Milwaukee. Oak Creek is across the street. About a month ago now, I was up until 2 AM on a weeknight.. I was just getting ready for bed when the doorbell started ringing, about a half a dozen times.
    I turn the outside door light on and there's a Hispanic guy about 30 with the black watch cap and a grey hoodie.
    I say, What do you want?, he says, " I need a favorI, what favor?, I need a favor. So i tell him, I'll call the cops and let them do you a favor.
    He says, "forget it" and walks away.
    I look and I didn't see any vehicle or anybody else with him.
    i call 911 and about 10 minutes later, 2 squads pull up, I give the description and they looked around the area.
    I heard nothing else about it and it hasn't happened again.

    I think the guy purposely spoke low, so I couldn't understand him (my dog was barking loud too) and then if I took off the deadbolt and opened the door so I could hear him better, he might've bullrushed me.
    The thing that bothered me the most was that the night before, my wife had to leave the house at 2 AM, to fix a computer problem at the bank that she works for.
    I have a Glock 22 and I was prepared to "stop the threat' if he would've kicked the door in.
    This type of **** can happen anywhere.

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    The warm glow of the night sights on my Glock 21*within reach from my bed lulls me into a peaceful euphoric sleep reaching for the arms of morpheus nightly.
    Ah... you have reminded me of an old quote by Poe: "Sleep...those little deaths. How I loathe them."

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    Also remember--your handgun is good to get you to a long gun--shot gun, FN, AK, AR, or other long gun of your choice--environment, proximity to neighbors, thickness of your walls...all play a part in your choice of a long gun.

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    To the OP, if you frequently wear loose fitting drawstring type pants you might want to think of a fanny pack as they do not need a belt or belt loops
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    A shoulder holster is a good possibility for night time clothes too and doesn't look as silly as a fanny pack imho.

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    You could do like me. I am disabled and spend most of my time at home. When at homeI am normally in either elastic banded shorts with draw string or sweat pants. I bought a kel-tec PF-9 so that I could slip it in my pockets while here at home and always have a loaded gun at hand. ALWAYS.

    Late at night like now ( should say early morning ) I have my Kimber 45 laying on the desk within easy reach .

    As others have said , you should think about finding a way to have the gun on you . You just might not have time to run 10 feet to get it. You have to do what you are comfortable with though.

    I also have a jack Russel to let me know when anyone is around.

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    A cop friend if mine (before I carried mind you) reminded me when I told him I keep a gun in the bedroom "if something happens" that .."100% of home invasions take place in the home. They watch and notice your patterns and try to catch you at the worst possible moment. IE..making dinner..in the bathroom etc. If you are carrying ON you there is no such thing as a bad moment".

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    All too often... we are encumbered... even crippledby the thought of 'what other people may think'. In reality... most people don't 'think'. Not about self defense at least. Too 'brutal'. They've been conditioned, inculcated, propagandized to the point of being not even marginally 'aware' of having to provide for their own defense.As such, they remain in denial of the unthinkable.

    Look at the 'security alarm system' commercials on the tube.... (A woman) Clutching the phone in fear while the voice on the line tells you: "We're sending help.' 'Course, in the commercials... the bad guy who just kicked the door in always runs off. Good luck with that! Notice... it's always 'a woman or girl' in those commercials? That's the targeted market. Institutionalized victimhood. Institutionalized 'Condition White'.Institutalized dependancy on 'someone else' for your personal safety.

    I don't carry a sidearm because I'm fearful... I carry it because I'm 'responsible'. I'm responsible for myself, my family and my home. There is the obvious reason of 'force disparity'. I'm not Superman... and I'm not about to engage a bad guy (or a group) hand to hand. We live in a rather remote area in the Sonora Desert within sight of Mexico. Emergency response time may be long in coming. It is both reasonable and prudent to be armed.

    My wife is a small woman... she carries a gun either on her or in the glove box when she's 'out'. She doesn't carry around the house, but it's available. In fact, several are 'available'. She's taking Tai Kwan Do now twice a week... for the sole purpose of fending off a possible gun grabber 'til she can blow a hole in 'em. She's fierce like that.

    The anti-gun bunch (particularly the metro-centric media types) love to use adjectives such as 'strutting' around, strapped... in reference to those of us who open carry. The mere visual of a firearm sends them into hystronics. Oddly... such visuals combined with a uniform and badge do not. Conditioned association of 'protection' vs 'criminality' or hostile intent? To the OP... let your wife (and family) read this... it might do some good. That's why I've written it.

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    McX wrote:
    I can see there's alot to discuss, and alot for me to think about; Yes Sir.. there certainly is. Yet you are taking the first, and most important step by realizing that the world is not guaranteed to be a safe place... not even inside your own home.I don't want to reveal too much about our home, for obvious reasons. But I can say it's your typical subdivision home, built to look good, not so secure. I could upgrade security, but many flaws in the house design would still be present. You need to take a hard look at your home's weak points.. because the criminal certainly will look for them... and figure out a way to make those weak points less appealing to a criminal. We don't have any dogs- cat house, so to speak, so that line of defense doesn't exist here. A dog gives advance warning yet some people don't like dogs or can't afford to feed a decent sized dog.. or just don't want the hassle of a dog. Not knocking dogs... I like them myself but have no interest in owning one. Cats are almost useless for attacking an intruder but still, if the cat is watched, give prior warning by their actions. Outside lighting is poor. That can be helped with cheap solar powered yard lights. It won't light up the yard but it will show someone is out there as they pass by a light. My biggest problem is the family; Nothing to fear but fear itself mentality. The it will never happen here, to me idea. And that is going to be the biggest problem of all for you. Those who want to "feel" safe have difficulty facing the truth that nowhere is perfectly safe.... because if they do that safe "feeling" goes away. Very uncomfortable for folks to face that one. I don't share that. If I get up to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night, I always sweep the house, and always find a "security violation" somewhere. Before I leave in the AM, I sweep the house, and often find "security violations". Either I, or Yooperlady, clear the house every time we come home. When something goes "bump" in the night it is investigated gun in hand. This is not paranoia... it is common sense. The kids are kept distant from my weapons, that's why no magazine in my gun. They would want to handle it, cause it's "cool", or their friends, and I can't allow that. Keep the keys away from the car so to speak. While it would be very labor intensive and take a lot of time... perhaps this is a great opportunity to teach your kids about guns... and gun safety... and mature gun handling by allowing them to handle it (unloaded of course... I didn't have to tell you that but other people read these things too) under your supervison... instead of furthering the mystical "cool" of the gun by trying to keep it away from them. As a father and grandfather I can say with certainty... if you have a gun in the house all the kids (and their friends) know exactly where that gun is kept. I keep the weapon in a central location, on the floor I'm on at that time. Others have said it before me... the best "central location" is on your person. It is safe from kids there and it is immediately accessable there. If necessary... change your mode of dress because you must decide if comfy pants are more important than you.. and your family's.. safety. I don't want to appear a zealot. The anti gun propaganda of the past many decades has you thinking that anyone who keeps a gun "at hand" must be some kind of whacko. But still I think my concerns are valid. Like I said, it's gotten bad enough to me, that I have taken the first step, out of the vault, and available. Reality has shown you that the anti gun "whacko" thing is BS... and, to your credit (pat yourself on the back because you deserve it) you have stepped up to the plate and taken responsibility for protecting everything that is dear to you. It looks like it's going to be at least that for me at home from now on. I ended up, and am a security force of one, for my home. My wife is anti-gun, but slowly coming around. Her handling a gun would never happen. Please don't give up on your wife. Many a woman has changed her mind when presented with the question... "Would you shoot someone molesting/raping/killing your daughter/son/grandchild?" My oldest is due to turn 21 soon, and I will arm him, so at least while he still lives at home, he might hear a "commotion", and arm up, and come to aid, investigate. And now, when you arm your son, you have much more to think about... such as team tactics so you don't end up shooting him by mistake... or him shooting you by mistake..Thank God he shares my views on firearms, and security.
    Some responses in blue above.......

    Please allow me to suggest that you and your now armed son spend plenty of time figuring out what to do "IF"... and try to get the whole family to some kind of shooting event like IDPA (International Defensive Pistol Association) puts on regularily just so they all can see what guns are about.. and meet the people who have guns.
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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