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Thread: California Logo Run-off

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    There is not a decisive winner in the initial logo vote. So let's do a run off vote between the two designs that got the most votes.

    Hopefully, we'll see a greater separation. If not, we probably need to find an amicable solution.

    Here are the run-off designs:

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    small A on the shirt front; large B on the back

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    I'd like to see shirts made...
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    "A" looks a lot more professional IMO. I would wear either one as a shirt or hat.

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    Double click OMG

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    I like A but without the slogan, just the logo by itself.

    But I think B would look better as a decal.

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    sorry but A seems way to wreckless to me.

    You have to think, this image will be seen by people who have NO IDEA what open carry is or the legality. If they see that "logo" and realize its legal they will just picture EXACTLY the image the brady campaign is trying to portray. People flashing their weapons grabbing them and holding them recklessly in the air. Sorry but doesn't fly with me. Might be a great video game picture, but you guy's have to think of it as if you were someone with no idea about guns, trying to be convinced of the pros of open carry.

    edit: plus the whole "wild west shootout" stereotype of the revolver isn't helping much. The other gun MUCH better represents an image of self defense, since all police carry that type of weapon; and most people think only cops have the right to defend themselves. When I look at image A, I get the image of "some old man holding his gun till he dies, after he dies society doesn't have to deal with gun owners any more."

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    So treetbikerr6, what's the symbology there?

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    sorry but A seems way to wreckless to me.

    You have to think, this image will be seen by people who have NO IDEA what open carry is or the legality. If they see that "logo" and realize its legal they will just picture EXACTLY the image the brady campaign is trying to portray. People flashing their weapons grabbing them and holding them recklessly in the air. Sorry but doesn't fly with me. Might be a great video game picture, but you guy's have to think of it as if you were someone with no idea about guns, trying to be convinced of the pros of open carry.

    edit: plus the whole "wild west shootout" stereotype of the revolver isn't helping much. The other gun MUCH better represents an image of self defense, since all police carry that type of weapon; and most people think only cops have the right to defend themselves. When I look at image A, I get the image of "some old man holding his gun till he dies, after he dies society doesn't have to deal with gun owners any more."
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    demnogis wrote:
    So treetbikerr6, what's the symbology there?

    Streetbikerr6 wrote:
    sorry but A seems way to wreckless to me.

    You have to think, this image will be seen by people who have NO IDEA what open carry is or the legality. If they see that "logo" and realize its legal they will just picture EXACTLY the image the brady campaign is trying to portray. People flashing their weapons grabbing them and holding them recklessly in the air. Sorry but doesn't fly with me. Might be a great video game picture, but you guy's have to think of it as if you were someone with no idea about guns, trying to be convinced of the pros of open carry.

    edit: plus the whole "wild west shootout" stereotype of the revolver isn't helping much. The other gun MUCH better represents an image of self defense, since all police carry that type of weapon; and most people think only cops have the right to defend themselves. When I look at image A, I get the image of "some old man holding his gun till he dies, after he dies society doesn't have to deal with gun owners any more."

    The symbology of picture A represents to the ignorant public the image of "Oh just a group of old men clamoring to keep their weapons, once they die off we wont have to deal with them"

    Symbology of B represents the image of "looks like an organization of law abiding citizenswho want to protect themselves from the dangerous criminals who inhabit California"

    Is that the answer you wanted or were you asking something else.



    edit: here is a better idea of the symbology of the 2 logo's concepts, now this is a bit extreme, but sois the general public's imagination when they know nothing about howguns are used to DEFEND against other's with guns...






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    You didn't get the Boondock Saints reference...

    What's the ssssssyyyyyyyyyyyyyymbolism, what's the symbolism

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    I probably shouldn't get involved seeing as howB is mine, butwhile I think A looks really good, and works for me/us, but i feel itsays "fight for your right", or "from my cold dead hands", something that mightbe unsettling to potential open carriers.I tried to design B to be non-aggressive, simple,and professional.

    just my bias opinion...
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    dirtykoala wrote:
    I probably shouldn't get involved seeing as howB is mine, butwhile I think A looks really good, and works for me/us, but i feel itsays "fight for your right", or "from my cold dead hands", something that mightbe unsettling to potential open carriers.I tried to design B to be non-aggressive, simple,and professional.

    just my bias opinion...
    I agree, and sorry, have not watched boondock in quite a long time! Great movie though.

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    ha ha, I'm an expert in name-e-ology

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    dirtykoala wrote:
    I probably shouldn't get involved seeing as howB is mine, butwhile I think A looks really good, and works for me/us, but i feel itsays "fight for your right", or "from my cold dead hands", something that mightbe unsettling to potential open carriers.I tried to design B to be non-aggressive, simple,and professional.

    just my bias opinion...
    I have to agree here also. The fist in the air is a little bit too aggressive. I do think that it does have a more finished look to it (no offense dirtykoala), but in terms of concept - which is what we're voting on at this stage - B represents us better.
    I'm sure with a little work we can make B look just as good as A. And, as discussed before, we can change the line underneath "a right not ..." to whatever we want; even change it for each application(sticker, shirt, patch, etc.).

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    I vote no on both. If anyone wants a shirt with a logo on it, go to cafepress.com and make one for yourself. I do it all the time.



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    MudCamper wrote:
    I vote no on both. If anyone wants a shirt with a logo on it, go to cafepress.com and make one for yourself. I do it all the time.

    Thanks for the constructive criticism. Wait, you left none.Why don't either appeal to you?

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    I am not in the voting since I am not from CA but the first one with the clenched fist looks very violent to me. Is that the message you are trying to get across? When I saw it I immediately remembered the athletes being stripped of their medals at the Olympics for raising their fists on the medal stand.

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    I think the idea is to have one logo we can all use. That way we're a bit more cohesive as a group, even if we don't have any real central organization. What the logo is doesn't matter as much as the fact that we have one. We look more like a group of people with a common goal, as opposed to a bunch of crazies with guns who want to change some law that noone cares about.

    I would also think it may help with police encounters. We've already seen that they're much less willing to detain and harass open carriers in groups(reasons for this can be discussed in another thread.). This is strictly theoretical - but by seeing a logo that they know on a shirt, in their minds the person wearing the shirt is now not an individual open carrying, but a member of a group who open carries, knows their laws, carry voice recorders, etc. Am I making sense, or just rambling?

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    Streetbikerr6 wrote:
    MudCamper wrote:
    I vote no on both. If anyone wants a shirt with a logo on it, go to cafepress.com and make one for yourself. I do it all the time.

    Thanks for the constructive criticism. Wait, you left none.Why don't either appeal to you?
    I just don't like them. Sorry. Just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...

    And we are not a membership organization. We don't have dues. We don't have a platform or set of plans or goals that we all agree on. What is the purpose of this logo? Just to put on a t-shirt? OK. I did offer some constructive criticism about that: If you like a particular logo, or your own logo for that matter, go to cafepress and make yourself a t-shrit. What's not constructive about that suggestion?

    Let me try to articulate how I feel about this a little more. If you want your own symbol, that's fine. But it feels like there is an effort to create one single symbol that somebody (who I don't know) is then going to say, "This symbol represents all of us. Use no other symbols." I don't want representation. I may not agree with your symbol or your ideas. I'm finding it difficult to articulate well, but I just know i don't like this whole logo thing.



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    Captain_Awesome wrote:
    I think the idea is to have one logo we can all use. That way we're a bit more cohesive as a group, even if we don't have any real central organization. What the logo is doesn't matter as much as the fact that we have one. We look more like a group of people with a common goal, as opposed to a bunch of crazies with guns who want to change some law that noone cares about.

    I would also think it may help with police encounters. We've already seen that they're much less willing to detain and harass open carriers in groups(reasons for this can be discussed in another thread.). This is strictly theoretical - but by seeing a logo that they know on a shirt, in their minds the person wearing the shirt is now not an individual open carrying, but a member of a group who open carries, knows their laws, carry voice recorders, etc. Am I making sense, or just rambling?
    You are making sense. It's quite apropos given what I just posted. But again, I don't like either logo.

    I think the police are confused and are always asking, "Are you a member of Open Carry?" because they don't get us. We are a bunch of "crazies with guns", or put another way, libertarian-minded individuals. The police are used to dealing with gangs or other group-identity-minded people.


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    MudCamper wrote:
    Streetbikerr6 wrote:
    MudCamper wrote:
    I vote no on both. If anyone wants a shirt with a logo on it, go to cafepress.com and make one for yourself. I do it all the time.

    Thanks for the constructive criticism. Wait, you left none.Why don't either appeal to you?
    I just don't like them. Sorry. Just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...

    And we are not a membership organization. We don't have dues. We don't have a platform or set of plans or goals that we all agree on. What is the purpose of this logo? Just to put on a t-shirt? OK. I did offer some constructive criticism about that: If you like a particular logo, or your own logo for that matter, go to cafepress and make yourself a t-shrit. What's not constructive about that suggestion?

    Let me try to articulate how I feel about this a little more. If you want your own symbol, that's fine. But it feels like there is an effort to create one single symbol that somebody (who I don't know) is then going to say, "This symbol represents all of us. Use no other symbols." I don't want representation. I may not agree with your symbol or your ideas. I'm finding it difficult to articulate well, but I just know i don't like this whole logo thing.

    Well I believe this is our platform. We all represent the same goals: keep open carry rights alive while spreading the education and facts about defensive carrying of a firearm. People in America have this myth in their head that someone with a gun is either A. a cop or B. a criminal. They left out C. a law abiding citizen protecting himself and others against criminals who know a cop can't always be around, and either can not obtain a concealed weapons permit or believe open carrying is more effective. I'm not saying this logo we choose in this forum will be the particular one if we ever do incorporate into an official organization. Although I think this logo is important to show we came from somewhere, generaly speaking- this forum. We all heard about the man carrying at the obama event, he is NOWHERE to be found, not on this forum at all. Now, if he wore a logo, that is widespread recognition for this forum and for America to come and learn the facts.

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    I guess I equate logos with organizations, but not with movements. We are participating in the Open Carry Movement. But I do see your point as to the value of a logo, to help make it easier for the lay person (and LEO).


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    MudCamper wrote:
    I guess I equate logos with organizations, but not with movements. We are participating in the Open Carry Movement. But I do see your point as to the value of a logo, to help make it easier for the lay person (and LEO).
    Personally, I wan't a logo to show this liberal ass town of mine that there are gun owners around, and we are proud. Though I'm not going to put an NRA sticker on my truck, sort of a cliche.

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    "A" is kind of in your face while "B" is a little more laid back.

    I chose "A" because I'm tired of my rights being trampled and I view it as my own "I dare you to say something about it" logo.

    Not very mature I know but I'm sure there are more out there like me.

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    Sons of Liberty wrote:
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    A above has an angry mood to it. I really like the fist, which reminds me of the old Hunter Thompson Gonzo symbol. And using a revolver is nice, albeitmostly because I like revolvers. But a hand holding a revolver in that way is kind of odd. It could actually be a graphic for a gun-grabber kind of concept.

    I do like the offset of the wording in the circle border. And the catch phrase nicely communicates a bedrock pro-OC principle.






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    B:

    B above is kind of bland. The gun profile overlaid onto the Cali map is kind of mysterious. I want to make a symbolic or graphical connection but it's, well, indistinctly related. The gun is simplyploppedontothe map. Why no catch phrase on this one?



    Overall, for a broad audience, the logos are not exciting or particularly illuminating. Hmm, I think it's because of the gun. They both seem to reflect the need to make a depiction of a gun very prominent. Yep, that's it.

    Why have a gun in the logo, anyway? I can't think of any really good reason.

    My recommendation would be to design some logos without the gun.

    Another thing, actually the first thing, is: what is the message that is intended to be communicated by the logo? That's really where one should start...

    If you're trying to communicate what a gun is, by all means, put a gun graphic in the logo. If you're trying to communicate a complex ofideas such as gun rights, constitutionality, public OC and self-defense, then a gun form arguably is not up to the task...


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