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    From an Open Carrying, Gun Rights Advocate point of view who do you think is the best candidate for Governor?
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Thundar wrote:
    From an Open Carrying, Gun Rights Advocate point of view who do you think is the best candidate for Governor?
    McDonnell is far and wide the best choice but has some room for improvement. A write in would be nice but no chance of winning this election. Since McDonnell will sign most pro gun bills, we don't want to waste a vote.

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    Gotta go with McDonnell.

    I'm not fragmenting our side to give Deeds an edge.

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    Gotta go with McDonnell.

    I'm not fragmenting our side to give Deeds an edge.
    +1

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    First time in a while I'll be voting a straight R ticket. While McD isn't perfect, Deeds cannot be rewarded for swinging to the anti-freedom side.

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    First time in a while I'll be voting a straight R ticket. While McD isn't perfect, Deeds cannot be rewarded for swinging to the anti-freedom side.
    This. Plus, I don't want to see VA dominated by the dems because Obama and the rest of the radical left will point and use our state as an "example" by saying "look at VA! They want 'change'!" It's bad enough having the DNC Chairman posing as our governor.

    *barf*

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    I understand the idea of symbolic votes to let your displeasure be know but I have never been one to waste a vote. I'll vote for the person that has a competitive chance of winning that will do the most good or the least amount of damage.
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    Bob McDonnell, Conservative Pragmatist -This Virginia Republican offers a conservatism that can win again.

    The p-word, pragmatist, has had a malodor in conservative circles since the Reagan years. Back then, it was a term of abuse that conservatives used against their moderate adversaries in intra-administration battles.

    It’s time to rehabilitate the word, and Virginia gubernatorial candidate Bob McDonnell shows why. McDonnell is a conservative pragmatist whose campaign is winning independents — by 2–1 in a new Public Policy Polling survey — with an emphasis on basic quality-of-life issues. He relentlessly talks of three things: jobs, transportation, andeducation.

    Both words in the label “conservative pragmatist” are important. McDonnell is indisputably a conservative — a Reaganite whose social-conservative credentials are impeccable (just ask the Washington Post, which has been crusading against him for these views, expressed pungently in his long-ago graduate-school thesis). But he’s also a wonk who has focused on crafting policy to address the everyday concerns of Virginians.

    The McDonnell campaign is consciously modeled after the successful George Allen campaign of 1993, which achieved the same synthesis of basic conservative values and a raft of innovative policy. Although now the issue mix is different. When Allen ran, welfare and crime were top-shelf domestic issues. They’ve faded since, and — besides jobs — McDonnell is concentrating on transportation and education instead.

    This tack seems so commonsensical it should be unremarkable. Yet, there’s been an intense intra-conservative debate since the election last year between the traditionalists on the one hand and the reformers on the other. To over-simplify, the traditionalists think the mere assertion of conservative principles is enough to win elections (and if not, too bad). And the reformers think contemporary conservatism is so dated that it at the very least needs new policy and perhaps needs to be torn down entirely and built again.

    McDonnell’s campaign demonstrates just how arid much of this debate is. McDonnell’s traditionalism informs his policy, and his policy invigorates his traditionalism and makes it appealing to the vast numbers of voters who aren’t driven by ideology or abstractions.

    McDonnell has energized his base while not speaking exclusively to it.

    Maybe the word “pragmatist” — too redolent of the weather vane and of surrender — can never quite be rehabilitated for conservatives. If so, forget the label and just think of what McDonnell is doing in Virginia as conservatism that can win again.


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    In this case, I do want change and lots of it.

    I want change from the poor leadership that our outgoing, part time governor has demonstrated. I want a change of direction from where I see the nation going.

    I want change and I want to keep it! Enough is enough!

    3R votes this time - send a message loud and clear!

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    For some reason, I don't see McDonnell following through and doing things like signing restaurant carry.

    Just call me jaded.

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    hsmith wrote:
    For some reason, I don't see McDonnell following through and doing things like signing restaurant carry.

    Just call me jaded.
    I feel very confident that he will actually sign, not just let pass, pro 2A bills that make it to his desk. He is very aware of which way the wind is blowing.

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    Growing up and practically living my entire life in the Democratic haven of New York City, I was the odd man out being a registered Republican. Even my family thought I was crazy.

    Can't tell you how much at home I feel to be a resident of VA (for just over a year.) This year I will be voting down my party's line, not only because the current candidates are pro-2A, but because I value freedom, hard work and fiscal responsibility.

    It breaks my heart to see the current administration piss away our freedom, promote their socialistic agenda, and put us further into debt with the People's Republic of China.

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    Glock27Bill wrote:
    Gotta go with McDonnell.

    I'm not fragmenting our side to give Deeds an edge.
    That's what worries me. That people will be so unforgiving of the old ways of the GOP that they will vote 3rd party, fragment our vote and guarantee a victory for the Democrat party. I often wonder who these "3rd party people" are.....It would be a REALLY good strategy of the left to plant fake "conservatives" and "libertarians" on social sites convincing people why we should vote 3rd party. It would almost ensure a Democrat victory.....and more gun control.

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    At this point its not so much who is more gun friendly but who sucks up or refuses to suck up to the demands of their party. Deeds, regardless of how friendly he has been in the past, will likely fold to the pressure of the anti-gun lobby. A lobby that Bloomberg would almost certainly push onto Deeds in order to have Deeds approve of more gun control. Bob is more likely to become more gun friendly by listening to his lobbyists. In that sense I think Bob would be FAR better for gun rights than Deeds. With Ken working with him...I think Phil would be bored for a few years. We all might. Who would we write, protest or complain about?

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    richarcm wrote:
    At this point its not so much who is more gun friendly but who sucks up or refuses to suck up to the demands of their party. Deeds, regardless of how friendly he has been in the past, will likely fold to the pressure of the anti-gun lobby. A lobby that Bloomberg would almost certainly push onto Deeds in order to have Deeds approve of more gun control. Bob is more likely to become more gun friendly by listening to his lobbyists. In that sense I think Bob would be FAR better for gun rights than Deeds. With Ken working with him...I think Phil would be bored for a few years. We all might. Who would we write, protest or complain about?
    I don't think that PVC or any of the rest of us are going to be bored.

    Nothing is a slam dunk, where the RKBA is concerned, not by a long shot.

    Make up your own mental wish list and then try to imagine all of those things coming to pass in the next four years. There is the on going matter of local municipalities slipping and sliding too.

    There is still a lot of major work to be done and will be for a long time yet.
    Virginia will not become a paradise/utopia for self-defense advocates via the election of three individuals. Wish it were so.

    Do not become complacent - instead get ready for a lot more pro-activity.

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    I certainly wish there was a third-party candidate that could make a stand in the current political climate, but neither the Libertarian nor the Constitution Party has fielded anyone of consequence.

    I think it is amusing that nearly all of Deeds' ads attempting to slander McDonnell actually reinforce McDonnell's merits.

    Deeds "voted to close the gun-show loophole". McDonnell voted 33 times to restrict a "woman's right (!?!?) to choose" (read: legalize infanticide). McDonnell voted to allow private-school vouchers.

    All of those things (and others) translate to classic conservativism and exactly what Virginia needs to be strong enough to join in the defiance of Washington cronyism and fiscal liberalism. If Deeds wants to run a liberal, crime-spree government looting administration he should consider moving north of the Mason Dixon. It's high time to take Virginia back. McDonnell ain't perfect for the job, but he's a far sight better than Deeds.
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    richarcm wrote:
    At this point its not so much who is more gun friendly but who sucks up or refuses to suck up to the demands of their party. Deeds, regardless of how friendly he has been in the past, will likely fold to the pressure of the anti-gun lobby. A lobby that Bloomberg would almost certainly push onto Deeds in order to have Deeds approve of more gun control. <snip>
    Agreed.

    Especially with Obama lobbying for him, he'd have favors to return.

    Although Obama has thrown him under the bus since he's running behind. Even his 'friends' can't count on him, huh?

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    richarcm wrote:
    At this point its not so much who is more gun friendly but who sucks up or refuses to suck up to the demands of their party. Deeds, regardless of how friendly he has been in the past, will likely fold to the pressure of the anti-gun lobby. A lobby that Bloomberg would almost certainly push onto Deeds in order to have Deeds approve of more gun control. Bob is more likely to become more gun friendly by listening to his lobbyists. In that sense I think Bob would be FAR better for gun rights than Deeds. With Ken working with him...I think Phil would be bored for a few years. We all might. Who would we write, protest or complain about?
    Richard, Don't forget; WE STILL HAVE Osama-Obama to contend with in the White House! He's just getting started!

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    richarcm wrote:
    At this point its not so much who is more gun friendly but who sucks up or refuses to suck up to the demands of their party. Deeds, regardless of how friendly he has been in the past, will likely fold to the pressure of the anti-gun lobby. A lobby that Bloomberg would almost certainly push onto Deeds in order to have Deeds approve of more gun control. Bob is more likely to become more gun friendly by listening to his lobbyists. In that sense I think Bob would be FAR better for gun rights than Deeds. With Ken working with him...I think Phil would be bored for a few years. We all might. Who would we write, protest or complain about?
    Richard, Don't forget; WE STILL HAVE Osama-Obama to contend with in the White House! He's just getting started!
    If NJ and VA go (R) next month, the writing is on the wall for Congress.

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    hsmith wrote:
    Infidel wrote:
    richarcm wrote:
    At this point its not so much who is more gun friendly but who sucks up or refuses to suck up to the demands of their party. Deeds, regardless of how friendly he has been in the past, will likely fold to the pressure of the anti-gun lobby. A lobby that Bloomberg would almost certainly push onto Deeds in order to have Deeds approve of more gun control. Bob is more likely to become more gun friendly by listening to his lobbyists. In that sense I think Bob would be FAR better for gun rights than Deeds. With Ken working with him...I think Phil would be bored for a few years. We all might. Who would we write, protest or complain about?
    Richard, Don't forget; WE STILL HAVE Osama-Obama to contend with in the White House! He's just getting started!
    If NJ and VA go (R) next month, the writing is on the wall for Congress.
    Color my cynical, but a year away is an eternity in politics.

    You and I won't waiver, but my faith in the general populous is non-existent.


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    I understand the idea of symbolic votes to let your displeasure be know but I have never been one to waste a vote. I'll vote for the person that has a competitive chance of winning that will do the most good or the least amount of damage.
    And thus the country makes one step further to hell.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Glock27Bill wrote:
    hsmith wrote:
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    richarcm wrote:
    At this point its not so much who is more gun friendly but who sucks up or refuses to suck up to the demands of their party. Deeds, regardless of how friendly he has been in the past, will likely fold to the pressure of the anti-gun lobby. A lobby that Bloomberg would almost certainly push onto Deeds in order to have Deeds approve of more gun control. Bob is more likely to become more gun friendly by listening to his lobbyists. In that sense I think Bob would be FAR better for gun rights than Deeds. With Ken working with him...I think Phil would be bored for a few years. We all might. Who would we write, protest or complain about?
    Richard, Don't forget; WE STILL HAVE Osama-Obama to contend with in the White House! He's just getting started!
    If NJ and VA go (R) next month, the writing is on the wall for Congress.
    Color my cynical, but a year away is an eternity in politics.

    You and I won't waiver, but my faith in the general populous is non-existent.
    Well, I mean, it isn't like we could actually depend on the R's to do anything. They won't promote freedom, downsizing, or peace.

    I don't even know the point of voting.

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    hsmith wrote:
    I don't even know the point of voting.
    I was waxing on that very topic just yesterday.

    When aboard a slave galleon on the high seas, being allowed to vote for anew driver doesn't necessarily reduce the sting of his whip, does it?
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    hsmith wrote:
    I don't even know the point of voting.
    Ya, best to do nothing. :?

    IMHO even small gains are worth the effort.

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