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    While I was at the Nampa PO today, I asked about how they thought the firearms ban read. The response, from a Supervisory level employee was absolutely no open carry and firearms were not permitted PERIOD. The desk clerk chimed in that this included the PO parking lot as well and hunters "know" to park out on the street. This is inline with that ruling a week or so ago about the employee who was prosecuted for possession in his car on the lot.Park on the street or risk trouble.

    I also posted a question about how this affects prosecution...

    Title 18 section 930.h states...

    (h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be
    posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal
    facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted
    conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court
    facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under
    subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such
    notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had
    actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.


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    I have never noticed a posting at the local PO here. Will look better next time. As far as the parking lot goes, I know there are no signs posted. That I am certain of.

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    That's okay. It's a great idea for the post office to deter possible customers when they're losing money the way they are. If I can't put it in a mailbox, I'm going with UPS.

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    I'm with him all the way. E-mail and UPS are the answer.

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    Thanks for the warning about the parking lot. Just goes to show you there is no bound to government screwing up business.

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    The Post Office is not covered by this section. They are covered by a specific section of Federal Code dealing with the Post Office. I am typing this from a I-touch, but will try to cite when I get home.

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    While I was at the Nampa PO today, I asked about how they thought the firearms ban read. The response, from a Supervisory level employee was absolutely no open carry and firearms were not permitted PERIOD. The desk clerk chimed in that this included the PO parking lot as well and hunters "know" to park out on the street. This is inline with that ruling a week or so ago about the employee who was prosecuted for possession in his car on the lot.*Park on the street or risk trouble.

    I also posted a question about how this affects prosecution...

    Title 18 section 930.h states...

    (h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be
    posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal
    facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted
    conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court
    facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under
    subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such
    notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had
    actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.

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    I recall reading something where Mike refuted that the other day. I'll edit and link that in momentarily. I believe the post office is covered based on his arguments.

    Edit: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum66/33021-1.html

    The edit is the link to a 3 page discussion on it if it's legal or not. Some reasonably detailed discussion of the applicable law in that thread.

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    Yeah, apparently, you cannot be charged under Title 18 if it isn't posted BUT they can charge you under another law, statute, regulation or code.

    How complicated can they make this?

    We need a new Constitutional Amendment which prohibits lawyers from serving in Congress or Government office....sigh.

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    Wouldn't help. The lawmakers don't actually read the laws they propose or vote on anyway. Google it if you doubt me, I remember watching video of a senator laughing when he was asked about it, said he didn't have the time.

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    Except in Southern California where you will see this poster instead:
    http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/posters/pos7s.pdf

    So true, So true.

    I think the one I saw in Idaho had a gun with the red line through it. You had to be half way through the line to see it.

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    I sometimes wonder how much design there is to the sheer mass of laws with little enforcement or punishment for offenders. As if some desire that everyone be guilty, and thus beholden to the gov., all while permitting the truly guilty to roam free.

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