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Jackson countys finest threat

wally1120

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I think if he is keeping an eye on me to screw up is harrassment, I am trying to narrow the list of cops down and am getting a better idea of cops I have experience with. Once I find out the cops name then I am going to file a complanit against him. If he dosent like people carry guns then why does he hang out with you? not being rude but, you carry an AK around with you. Tell the cop buddy that I don`t like him either, Once I find out who it is then I am going to pay a visit to the Station that he works for and have a talk with his CO.
 

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Out of all my contacts with LEO's,which would number in the amount of fingers and toes I have,in 6 different counties(sheriffs,MSP), 3 cities, I have only had two bad experiences. A false arrest and Rights violations by WPD, My last 2 contacts. Seems there's a patern here.Don't you think?
 

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Yep I have had 2 detainments. First one was just overkill,uncalled for. I had a Gun stuck to my back when I was laying on the ground gun was under neath me at this time, With my hands behind my back. Guess that is what you call OVERACHIVERS.

Second was Legit. I matched the discription of an armed robber and had a 45 stuck on my RH side. The bad thing is there was an armed robber out there about my physical apperience matched up to the store.
 

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Morning all

First Thanks for encouraging Wally to stay straight. He does but is young and needs the advice of his peers and family.

I totally agree that there are good and bad leos in the world, they are people and we all know there are good and bad people out there, we see it everyday, personally or via news and internet.

I wave at every leo that I see as to say have a nice day. Wally has ask me "Why"? I tell him not all leos are bad just some and a simple wave is the same as saying have a nice day. I have talked to some leos(both of us being polite)and at the end of the conversation said Have a nice day, stay safe. And we both went on our way without incident.

We all need to make sure we follow the law more so than others whether we oc or cc. We set an example. So again Thank You.

I do have a question: What is CEZ? I take it to be the same as a GFZ (gun free zone.)
 

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T Vance wrote:
WaltSr wrote:
I do have a question: What is CEZ? I take it to be the same as a GFZ (gun free zone.)
It is. CEZ = Criminal Empowerment Zone
First time i've heard that term. Thanks for reply
 

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autosurgeon wrote:
What your LEO friend is doing is harassment... he may not think it is ...but it is.

I am in full agreement, he has taken an oath to uphold the constitution and enforce the laws. His personal viewpoints should have no bearing on his officialduties.

Dr. Todd stated;
When I was younger, I too felt that police officers were oftentimes "unfair" or otherwise not living up to some standard of what one would consider "professionalism". So, if I were reading this when I was under 30 years old, I would have been in general agreement with the original post.
Police seem to come down harder on younger folks, and they are very aware that the younger generation will willingly waive their rights. This may be from schools not teaching the bill of rights and not letting these kids know that they can refuse a search.
I feel that schools have become mass endoctrination centers for the socialist lifestyle.

I feel it comes with the "Power-trip" that some officers have, they find a weaker individual (kids) and wield their power against them to make themselves feel more powerful.

Kimberguy, I think it is time to write down what this officer told you, have it signed and dated by a notary, and mail it to Wally for when this cop goes after him.
I would have a hard time being civil with anyone that had a hard-on for someone else and could not wait to use an authoritative position to push his personal beliefs.
You friend is the exact type of person that should be removed from law enforcement.
 

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Nutczak wrote:
autosurgeon wrote:
What your LEO friend is doing is harassment... he may not think it is ...but it is.

I am in full agreement, he has taken an oath to uphold the constitution and enforce the laws. His personal viewpoints should have no bearing on his officialduties.

Dr. Todd stated;
When I was younger, I too felt that police officers were oftentimes "unfair" or otherwise not living up to some standard of what one would consider "professionalism". So, if I were reading this when I was under 30 years old, I would have been in general agreement with the original post.
Police seem to come down harder on younger folks, and they are very aware that the younger generation will willingly waive their rights. This may be from schools not teaching the bill of rights and not letting these kids know that they can refuse a search.
I feel that schools have become mass endoctrination centers for the socialist lifestyle.

I feel it comes with the "Power-trip" that some officers have, they find a weaker individual (kids) and wield their power against them to make themselves feel more powerful.

Kimberguy, I think it is time to write down what this officer told you, have it signed and dated by a notary, and mail it to Wally for when this cop goes after him.
I would have a hard time being civil with anyone that had a hard-on for someone else and could not wait to use an authoritative position to push his personal beliefs.
You friend is the exact type of person that should be removed from law enforcement.
I am glad someone else sees my views, Even if it is only one person on my side that is all that I need. I realize there maybe good cops out there but, all the encouters have been negative with them, and trying to find a cool cop in Jackson iswinning the lottery many times over.so, my view is not very nice about cops.
 

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wally1120 wrote:
I am glad someone else sees my views, Even if it is only one person on my side that is all that I need. I realize there maybe good cops out there but, all the encouters have been negative with them, and trying to find a cool cop in Jackson iswinning the lottery many times over.so, my view is not very nice about cops.

Kimberguy, its up to you, but you should also tell everyone what this LEO said he wanted to try to do to you...

I see your view Wally. I too have had mostly negative experiences with LEO's, but I try to lump EVERYONE together. Lt. Jim Shaw of the Jackson MSP is a very nice LEO.
 

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Nutczak wrote:
autosurgeon wrote:
What your LEO friend is doing is harassment... he may not think it is ...but it is.

I am in full agreement, he has taken an oath to uphold the constitution and enforce the laws. His personal viewpoints should have no bearing on his officialduties.

Dr. Todd stated;
When I was younger, I too felt that police officers were oftentimes "unfair" or otherwise not living up to some standard of what one would consider "professionalism". So, if I were reading this when I was under 30 years old, I would have been in general agreement with the original post.
Police seem to come down harder on younger folks, and they are very aware that the younger generation will willingly waive their rights. This may be from schools not teaching the bill of rights and not letting these kids know that they can refuse a search.
I feel that schools have become mass endoctrination centers for the socialist lifestyle.

I feel it comes with the "Power-trip" that some officers have, they find a weaker individual (kids) and wield their power against them to make themselves feel more powerful.

Kimberguy, I think it is time to write down what this officer told you, have it signed and dated by a notary, and mail it to Wally for when this cop goes after him.
I would have a hard time being civil with anyone that had a hard-on for someone else and could not wait to use an authoritative position to push his personal beliefs.
You friend is the exact type of person that should be removed from law enforcement.
Great advice.

As AutoSurgeon somewhat suggested, this LEO is stalking a citizen. Unless he has been assigned the case of staking out a citizen, following them around with the intention to bust them when they screw up is harassment, plain and simple. Not only is it harassing to Wally, but he is doing a disservice to the other citizens of the community. Diverting time and paying special attention to ONE person leaves countless others at the mercy of various crimes and civil infractions.

Wally, if I were you, I'd have a chat with the PD now... BEFORE anything happens. Get it on record that you have concerns about an officer in their department who has it out for you. You may not be able to prove it... but that's okay. At least, if something DOES happen, you have it on record so it doesn't look like you're just making up excuses after the fact. I cannot stress enough, though, that if you decide to have this chat with the PD, that you must be civil and polite. Otherwise you just may end up with more officers targeting you. You want to be the good guy here. I don't remember where I heard this phrase, but it goes something like, "If someone in the world is out there telling everyone what an asshole you are, prove them wrong by demonstrating that you're not... then the person who's accusing you will become the asshole in the eyes of everyone they talk to."

Be the bigger person... document what you can... and then just live your life normal. I wouldn't go on a crusade to seek this person out because then anything he says about you to other LEO's may carry more weight. He could easily say, "See... I told you this kid was trouble."

Kimberguy, aside from following AutoSurgeon's advice, I'd probably stay out of the mix if I were you. But that's just me. I would document what I was told, then have it signed and dated by a notary though. I know it's hard to take sides when you might be friends with both parties... but this is one of those instances where you ought to consider doing what's right. And let's face it: Your LEO buddy is wrong. First of all, he should be professional to the point that he doesn't let personal opinions of someone's character cloud his sworn duties. Secondly, he shouldn't be sharing non-public information about folks with third parties.

Wally, if all of this is true, then you shouldn't have a real hard time figuring out who it is. If it's true that this LEO is watching you and following you around, all you need to do is start documenting the officers you see on a regular basis. When you start to see the same officer pop up over and over again, it's probably a safe bet that you've found your stalker. And if I were in your shoes, I would document the approximate dates and times of any officers you see that appear to be watching you... that may come in handy later if/when you have to make a case that you were being stalked or harrassed.

Hopefully after your talk with the PD, the officer in question will be advised to do his job and not to pursue personal vendettas on the departments time. Take a recording device with you... and it's probably not a bad idea to take someone older with you. It shouldn't matter, but as Nutzcak has pointed out, age seems to be a factor in how some officers will treat you. Thinking back to my younger years, I can definitely recall instances where officers intimidated me or refused to take me seriously... probably because they knew I didn't know any better and that they could get away with it. And speaking frankly, I appreciate those experiences because now I don't let that stuff happen anymore. I understand you're angry with officers... but I can't stress enough that angry is not the way to be. It will destroy you. Instead, channel that energy in another way... use it to motivate yourself to learn all you can and to become a truly informed citizen. Use that energy to empower yourself to never again be a victim to manipulation by an officer who knows more about the law than you do. If you can channel your energy this way, you can live a more positive life... a more peaceful life... and may begin to realize that not every LEO is bad or out to get you. And those that actually ARE may rue the day that they tried to pull the wool over your eyes.

Take these negative experiences and turn them into positives... that's all I'm saying.
 

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wally1120 wrote:
I want others opinion on this, I was talking to a OC buddy tonight and he was saying, a cop buddie told him "he dosent like me, hopes I slip up,and cant wait to nail me". Now im young and get worked up a lil easy but, isn`t that unprofessional? Now true I am unemployed so that dosen`t help me much but, my parents pay for these people to try to do work that a kid can do but, they cant pull it off other then have a real big sweet tooth. Once I find out the officers name then I will delete this thread but, wanted to let others see what cops say about GTs.

I am certainly not here to knock you but I do want to add that getting worked up easy and carrying a gun should not go hand and hand. I had to recently take my cpl class for the 2nd time.. The 1st time was a bit over 2 years ago and when my wife and I had our disagreements on firearms and decided to end our marriage I never filed for my cpl. The reason? Well, I am level headed enough to know that guns have no place in high stress situations like a divorce and the emotions involved with it. Not filing was a personal decision I made because I personally felt it best for me, all Im asking is that you consider if you know you have a short fuse for your own safety and protection of your rights should you really be carrying right now?

Im not making a judgement on you one way or another, Im just asking you to look at that side of it and make the desicion that is truly best for you. I just don't want to see you end up jamming yourself up.
 

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I have a certificate from both, I have heard that several cities are known to give people issue if their certificate is to old. My first was from june of 2007, I was able to take the class for $75 the 2nd time and it didn't seem like a bad idea to get a brush up on it.

But of course I know how the internet is and if it becomes a issue I can black out my name and scan both copies for proof if needed ;)
 

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choover wrote:
I have a certificate from both, I have heard that several cities are known to give people issue if their certificate is to old. My first was from june of 2007, I was able to take the class for $75 the 2nd time and it didn't seem like a bad idea to get a brush up on it.

But of course I know how the internet is and if it becomes a issue I can black out my name and scan both copies for proof if needed ;)
I believe you :celebrate
 
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