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    I'm headed to AL next weekend and taking the train down and driving back. I definatley want to at least pack my gun to go down there with but I just saw they don't allow it, even if you check your bag (according to their website). However, I was thinking that I read something that someone posted not that long ago that says it's now legal to carry on them. Anybody know if that's changed recently or is their website correct?

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    I thought that was VRE? They were going to have funding pulled unless they allowed people to check guns, or something? I can't remember either.

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    Oh, okay. That's probably what it was then. Thanks.

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    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...ghlight=amtrak


    Check out Mike's post, #3:

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    remember, nobody commits a crime under federal law (unless you count DC law) for carrying your gun on AMTRAK, even it is against AMTRAK's non-criminal "rules," which are questionable constitutionally under Lebron v. National R.R. Passenger Corp., 513 U.S. 374 (1995) (holding that where the Government creates a corporation by special law (i.e., AMTRAK) for the furtherance of governmental objectives, and retains for itself permanent authority to appoint a majority of that corporation's directors, the corporation is part of the Government for purposes of the First Amendment).
    IANAL. I believe there is an "if" missing after even.


    Edit: Alternately, you could always opt to mail yourself the pistol however you legally can.

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    You are right about Amtrak, but not yet, not yet...

    Senator Roger Wicker (R-MS) introduced Senate Amendment 2366 to the 2010 Transportation-Housing & Urban Development Appropriations Act (House Resolution 3288).

    The amendment, to permit Amtrak passengers to safely transport firearms and ammunition in their checked baggage, was approved on September 16th, by a vote of 68 Yea to 30 Nay.

    H.R. 3288 was passed by the Senate on September 17th and a message on the Senate's actions were sent to the House on the 20th. That is where it sits now.

    Link to H.R. 3288: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3288/show
    Link to Wicker's Amdt.: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/amen...111&amdt=s2366

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    I have not seen an Amtrak rule that says no guns, just a rule that says no guns in baggage.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Further reporting of the baggage check amendment:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...g-guns-trains/

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    Thundar wrote:
    I have not seen an Amtrak rule that says no guns, just a rule that says no guns in baggage.


    Thundar

    This is true. I just went back and checked and it does only say no firearms allowed in baggage. Nothing about on your person.

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    If you carry concealed (or open, but I can't imagine that going over well) on your person, just make sure you are certain of the states you will be traveling through, and each of their laws on the matter. I doubt being on a train will excuse you from violating the law in the state you happen to be in.

    If someone (such as a conductor) happens to glimpse your concealed handgun, they could wait until you are in an "unfriendly" state to turn you in to the locals...

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    TFred wrote:
    If you carry concealed (or open, but I can't imagine that going over well) on your person, just make sure you are certain of the states you will be traveling through, and each of their laws on the matter. I doubt being on a train will excuse you from violating the law in the state you happen to be in.

    If someone (such as a conductor) happens to glimpse your concealed handgun, they could wait until you are in an "unfriendly" state to turn you in to the locals...

    TFred
    I thought that if you were traveling straight through, it has to be legal where you start and where you finish, as long as there are no stops along the way.

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    cbackous wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    If you carry concealed (or open, but I can't imagine that going over well) on your person, just make sure you are certain of the states you will be traveling through, and each of their laws on the matter. I doubt being on a train will excuse you from violating the law in the state you happen to be in.

    If someone (such as a conductor) happens to glimpse your concealed handgun, they could wait until you are in an "unfriendly" state to turn you in to the locals...

    TFred
    I thought that if you were traveling straight through, it has to be legal where you start and where you finish, as long as there are no stops along the way.
    The Federal interstate transport laws seem to apply to car / vehicle travel, and the gun must be secured in the trunk or otherwise inaccessable to the driver / passengers. That is hardly the case when you are carrying it concealed... (Remember, current Amtrak rules prohibit checking in your baggage.)

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    TFred wrote:
    cbackous wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    If you carry concealed (or open, but I can't imagine that going over well) on your person, just make sure you are certain of the states you will be traveling through, and each of their laws on the matter. I doubt being on a train will excuse you from violating the law in the state you happen to be in.

    If someone (such as a conductor) happens to glimpse your concealed handgun, they could wait until you are in an "unfriendly" state to turn you in to the locals...

    TFred
    I thought that if you were traveling straight through, it has to be legal where you start and where you finish, as long as there are no stops along the way.
    The Federal interstate transport laws seem to apply to car / vehicle travel, and the gun must be secured in the trunk or otherwise inaccessable to the driver / passengers. That is hardly the case when you are carrying it concealed... (Remember, current Amtrak rules prohibit checking in your baggage.)

    TFred
    Ahh ok, now that you mention that I remember. Thanks for clearing that up.

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    cbackous wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    cbackous wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    If you carry concealed (or open, but I can't imagine that going over well) on your person, just make sure you are certain of the states you will be traveling through, and each of their laws on the matter. I doubt being on a train will excuse you from violating the law in the state you happen to be in.

    If someone (such as a conductor) happens to glimpse your concealed handgun, they could wait until you are in an "unfriendly" state to turn you in to the locals...

    TFred
    I thought that if you were traveling straight through, it has to be legal where you start and where you finish, as long as there are no stops along the way.
    The Federal interstate transport laws seem to apply to car / vehicle travel, and the gun must be secured in the trunk or otherwise inaccessable to the driver / passengers. That is hardly the case when you are carrying it concealed... (Remember, current Amtrak rules prohibit checking in your baggage.)

    TFred
    Ahh ok, now that you mention that I remember. Thanks for clearing that up.
    the train is a car :P :celebrateit would be nice to be able to ride from here in GA to say PA on amtrak armed

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    So another question I guess. What about if the firearm is disassembled and I send some parts down with my parents when they drive and pack some parts. If they can't be assembledsince neither of us haveall the parts is it still technically a firearm?

    Here's the story: My parents need help moving some things from our house in AL that we're selling. They are paying for me to take the train down and then I'll drive a truck back. I guess I can dealbeing w/o it on the train as it looks like I don't have any other legal option, but I don't want to get them in any trouble with giving one of my guns to them to carry down before hand in their car. They don't know all the laws and what states require what so I don't even want to bother with trying to tell them and make sure they do it. So if I separate the pieces for the trip down, can I still pack like the slide and some other random pieces in my bag legally?

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    the lower receiver is the gun.... it matters not if its disassembled

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    TFred
    The Federal interstate transport laws seem to apply to car / vehicle travel, and the gun must be secured in the trunk or otherwise inaccessable to the driver / passengers. That is hardly the case when you are carrying it concealed... (Remember, current Amtrak rules prohibit checking in your baggage.)
    What happens in you take the autotrain? That is where they ship your car right on the train. Your gun could be locked in the trunk. Plus, your car isn't baggage.

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    fairfax1 wrote:
    TFred
    The Federal interstate transport laws seem to apply to car / vehicle travel, and the gun must be secured in the trunk or otherwise inaccessable to the driver / passengers. That is hardly the case when you are carrying it concealed... (Remember, current Amtrak rules prohibit checking in your baggage.)
    What happens in you take the autotrain? That is where they ship your car right on the train. Your gun could be locked in the trunk. Plus, your car isn't baggage.
    Ha ha good question, I don't know...

    The autotrain only goes through Virginia, North and South Carolina, Georgia and Florida. I don't know all the rules for those states, but at least it's not going through DC!

    Plus, I don't think it ever stops along the way.

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    You are correct about no stops for paasengers. The vehicles are loaded on closed in rail cars in Lorton, VAor Sanford, FL.If memory serves me correctly, you retain the keys to the trunk. The only stops are for red signals and a fuel/engineer/conductor change stop.

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