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    It's not time for the tinfoil and it's not time to charge the ramparts.

    But it is time to make sure you're prepared.....


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091024/...bama_swine_flu

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama declared the swine flu outbreak a national emergency and empowered his health secretary to suspend federal guidelines at hospitals and speed up how infected people might receive treatment in a disaster.
    The declaration that Obama signed late Friday means Health and Human Services chief Kathleen Sebelius to bypass federal rules when opening alternative care sites, such as offsite hospital centers at schools or community centers, if needed.
    Hospitals could modify patient rules — for example, requiring them to give less information during a hectic time — to quicken access to treatment, with government approval.
    The declaration, which the White House announced Saturday, allows HHS in some cases to let hospitals relocate emergency rooms offsite to reduce flu-related burdens and to protect noninfected patients.
    Administration officials said the declaration was a pre-emptive move designed to make decisions easier when they need to be made. Officials said this was not in response to any single development on an outbreak that has lasted months and has killed more than 1,000 people in the United States.
    It was the second of two steps needed to give Sebelius extraordinary powers during a crisis. On April 26, the administration declared swine flu a public health emergency, allowing the shipment of roughly 12 million doses of flu-fighting medications from a federal stockpile to states in case they eventually needed them. At the time, there were 20 confirmed cases in the U.S. of people recovering easily. There was no vaccine against swine flu, but the CDC had taken the initial step necessary for producing one.
    "As a nation, we have prepared at all levels of government, and as individuals and communities, taking unprecedented steps to counter the emerging pandemic," Obama wrote in the declaration.
    He said the pandemic keeps evolving, the rates of illness are rising rapidly in many areas and there's a potential "to overburden health care resources."
    Because of vaccine production delays, the government has backed off initial, optimistic estimates that as many as 120 million doses would be available by mid-October. As of Wednesday, only 11 million doses had been shipped to health departments, doctor's offices and other providers, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials said.
    The government now hopes to have about 50 million doses of swine flu vaccine out by mid-November and 150 million in December.
    The flu virus has to be grown in chicken eggs, and the yield hasn't been as high as was initially hoped, officials explained.
    Swine flu is more widespread now than it's ever been. Health authorities say almost 100 children have died from the flu, known as H1N1, and 46 states now have widespread flu activity.
    Worldwide, more than 5,000 people have reportedly died from swine flu since it emerged this year and developed into a global epidemic, the World Health Organization said Friday. Since most countries have stopped counting individual swine flu cases, the figure is considered an underestimate.


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    Mercola.com is where I get most of my updates on Swine Flu. His site is the oldest and most trusted source of health related information since the internet turned public.

    Traditional media sources like the OP posted are fine to communicate what is happening at an official level, but anything beyond that, I turn to Dr. Mercola for real information I can trust. He seems to be one of the few sane medical voices in these times.

    http://swineflu.mercola.com/sites/swineflu/home.aspx

    source: http://swineflu.mercola.com/sites/ar...estimated.aspx

    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) states on their main flu Web site http://www.cdc.gov/flu/ that flu activity is increasing in the United States, with most states reporting "widespread influenza activity." The CDC goes on to say, and I quote:
    "So far, most flu is 2009 H1N1 flu (sometimes called "swine flu")."
    But wait stop the presses.
    A three-month-long investigation by CBS News, released earlier this week that included state-by-state test results, revealed some very different facts. The CBS study found that H1N1 flu cases are NOT as prevalent as feared. A CBS article even states:
    "If you've been diagnosed "probable" or "presumed" 2009 H1N1 or "swine flu" in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn't have H1N1 flu. In fact, you probably didn't have flu at all."

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    this was not in response to any single development on an outbreak that has lasted months and has killed more than 1,000 people in the United States.
    That's3.3333333-6(0.0000003%) of the population of the USA, and they are declaring an emergency.

    When In Danger, Or In Doubt, Run In Circles, Scream and Shout!

    I do not see how this Declared Emergency will directly effect gun rights, but as The Big O himself has said, never let a crisis go to waste.

    stay safe.

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    skidmark wrote:
    this was not in response to any single development on an outbreak that has lasted months and has killed more than 1,000 people in the United States.
    That's3.3333333-6 (0.0000003%) of the population of the USA, and they are declaring an emergency.

    When In Danger, Or In Doubt, Run In Circles, Scream and Shout!

    I do not see how this Declared Emergency will directly effect gun rights, but as The Big O himself has said, never let a crisis go to waste.

    stay safe.

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    Even though the flu shots are not mandatory right now, the "debate" will continue. Tell your federal and state legislators NO. I really have to wonder, why all the media induced panic, and a declared national emergency, for a flu that is considered to be "mild"?

    source: National Vaccine Information Center @ http://www.nvic.org/about.aspx

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    in the name of the greater good tomorrow."
    Barbara Loe Fisher, Co-Founder NVIC

    Mild Swine Flu & Over-Hyped Vaccine

    source: http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-New...d-Vaccine.aspx

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    Isn't passing the smell test for me....

    Even CBS is skeptical about the scope of swine flu...

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5404829.shtml

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    deepdiver wrote:
    Isn't passing the smell test for me....

    Even CBS is skeptical about the scope of swine flu...

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5404829.shtml
    I agree completely. The swine flu is much ado about nothing. Everyone I know who's had it said it wasn't even as bad as the seasonal flu they sometimes get.

    But this isn't about reality. It may be about pretext for this administration.

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    RockyMtnScotsman wrote:
    deepdiver wrote:
    Isn't passing the smell test for me....

    Even CBS is skeptical about the scope of swine flu...

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5404829.shtml
    I agree completely. The swine flu is much ado about nothing. Everyone I know who's had it said it wasn't even as bad as the seasonal flu they sometimes get.

    But this isn't about reality. It may be about pretext for this administration.
    Pretext for what? Oh, I know: the injections are floridated =>Another plot to compromise the purity of our precious bodily fluids.

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    The Donkey wrote:
    RockyMtnScotsman wrote:
    deepdiver wrote:
    Isn't passing the smell test for me....

    Even CBS is skeptical about the scope of swine flu...

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5404829.shtml
    I agree completely. The swine flu is much ado about nothing. Everyone I know who's had it said it wasn't even as bad as the seasonal flu they sometimes get.

    But this isn't about reality. It may be about pretext for this administration.
    Pretext for what? Oh, I know: the injections are floridated =>Another plot to compromise the purity of our precious bodily fluids.
    Laff, I don't think it is a pretext or something sinister per se. I think this is a further act by an incompetent administration led and staffed with incompetent people who clearly have no comprehension or understanding of the constitution, science, medicine or economics. They do however understand politics and power.
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    Statesman wrote:
    Mercola.com is where I get most of my updates on Swine Flu. His site is the oldest and most trusted source of health related information since the internet turned public.
    Believe nothing that you read or hear without verifying it yourself unless it fits your preexisting worldview.

    The global electronic reporting system for outbreaks
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    http://www.promedmail.org/pls/otn/f?p=2400:1000:

    Latest information on Influenza A (H1N1)

    http://www.promedmail.org/pls/otn/f?...72784380803063

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    Doug,

    The problem is that when H1N1 mutates from its present form (not if, but when, for it will or it will go extinct) the current vaccine will be worthless as a preventative.

    We are seeing the same run-up that resulted in the Spanish Influenza epidemic of 1918-19 that did wipe out vast swaths of the population and was worthy of getting all hot & bothered about. But back then there was not the knowledge and technology to produce vaccines to protect against it. Also, medical care was much less adequate in terms of what could be offered and how much was available.

    It's not the H1N1 of 2009-10 that I fear, but the variant that may come roaring at us "out of the dark" in 2010-11. By the time the powers that be can ramp up and produce a vaccine against it, without all the testing BS (such that it was) thatwas mandated this year, we will be at least knee-deep in bodies thanks to miniacal handwashing and handwringing. Third World countries will fare better because they have a greater depth of protection just by surviving everything else out there through naturally built-up immunities. We are so paranoid with sanitationthat even the slightest amount of "bug" can bring us to our knees because we kill off the weaker viri, allowing only the most virulent to procreate and mutate.

    In spite of this, we have a crisis that should not go to waste.

    stay safe.

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    When In Danger, Or In Doubt, Run In Circles, Scream and Shout!
    That would appear to be the new battle cry of the Far Left Liberal Loon.

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    With respect, why are you addressing your comment to me?

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    With respect, why are you addressing your comment to me?
    I didn't know that comment was addressed to you.

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    The leading cause of death in the USA was influenza up until the first quarter of the 20th century. Why? Most deaths of influenza were caused by secondary infections such as pneumonia and other bacterial infections. The great influenza deaths of 1918 etc. were due in large part because antibiotics had not yet been discovered/invented. Heart disease eventually takes over as the leading cause of death in the USA with influenza being number two until the 1930s when penicillin and sulfa drugs become available.

    Leading Causes of death: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/lead1900_98.pdf

    There is no emergency because the flu in proportion to the numbers affected rarely is the main cause of death.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    With respect, why are you addressing your comment to me?
    Because you were the one who posted the citations debating Mercola vs. promedmail as the "authority" for info on H1N1.

    I do not care if we are discussing "hini" or "swiney" in the 2009-10 version - it's not likely to be the old (pre-October 2009 WHO) definition of a pandemic. It's going to be the mutated virus we see in the late Fall of 2010 that will be the pandemic. That will bethe 3rd-generation variant of what we are seeing today.

    But to get this back on track (if such is possible) to relating to gun rights - apparently any crisis in any port is the watchword of the day. We will just have to sit and watch for the "No Guns" regulations they are going to impose on the off-site ERs and the flu treatment centers.

    stay safe.

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    Please differentiate conclusion from information, and observation from recommendation.

    This flu is just a flu with typical morbidity and mortality in the population but with a skewed sample distribution.

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    Never let a crisis go to waste LOL yeah,,what crisis, damn gubbmint.
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    Make sure to stock up on ammo. I feel a zombie apocalypse coming!

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    I am a bit surprised by how many of the flaming left wackos I've met were even taken aback by the statement that H1N1 is a 'pandemic.' If h1n1 is so terrible and dangerous, what of AIDS and Cancer?

    They still won't admit that Obama was a rash and reactionary voting move... But you can see the knot in their throat when you talk about it. There just isn't a way to defend the position that 1000 is a pandemic, while many thousands die of other diseases and nobody cares, least of all the President.... It is such an obvious excuse for a power grab.

    I've said it for a decade. Politicians no longer crave the power of the office they run for. They crave the power of the office they will replace it with. Just a few dominoes left, and the thing is set.

    The whole bunch needs a mandatory lead injection.
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    NATIONAL EMERGENCY??? For the frickin' FLU???? I gotcha National Emergency.....RIGHT HERE!!!

    This is in MHO a testing of the waters, just to see exactly how sheepish the sheeple really are. Pig Flu is perfect, because people (like me) born before 1957 have mostly already been exposed to similar enough viruses that we are immune, leaving the main threat to - what else - "the children".

    When I was a kid, there was no vaccine against chicken pox, mumps, measels, German measels; they were called "childhood diseases" and most of us pulled through just fine. There were enough of us left for Vietnam and left over for Woodstock. In fact lots of parents hoped the kids would get mumps before puberty because adolescent mumps could affect the gonads.

    We did have smallpox, whooping cough and tetanus vaccines, also polio vaccine. And these were loaded with Thimerosal which supposedly produces autism although why now and not in my day I don't know. Barney Frank would like to get as many shots in the butt as us kids did back in the day.

    A National Flu Emergency.:quirky We have a National Emergency, alrighty. It will be addressed in November of next year.

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    The H1N1 vaccine is already being pushed at my son's school as "voluntary," but if you don't "volunteer" you get a visit from Child Protection Services... Who, upon arrival, promptly ask "Do you own any guns? Why do you think your child doesn't deserve to be healthy? You can't have guns if you have a child..."

    Several parents have already found out that their children were vaccinated and they would never have known, save overhearing their kids talking about it.
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    ixtow wrote:
    I am a bit surprised by how many of the flaming left wackos I've met were even taken aback by the statement that H1N1 is a 'pandemic.' If h1n1 is so terrible and dangerous, what of AIDS and Cancer?
    AIDS or GRID as it was known in the day was never declared a pandemic due to successful gay rights lobbying and Surgon General C. Edward Koop knuckled under to pressure.

    Politics gave us AIDS, and now politics are going to take away our rights of gun ownership and freedom of speech if we cannot shut down this assault by the Obama administration.

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    We did have smallpox, whooping cough and tetanus vaccines, also polio vaccine. And these were loaded with Thimerosal which supposedly produces autism although why now and not in my day I don't know. Barney Frank would like to get as many shots in the butt as us kids did back in the day
    Yeah, and we didn't have ADD/HDD either, they were just overactive and at recess were usually found running laps to help settle them down in class. And it worked, too.

    We also didn't have school shootings, and bullies were even given swats at school. And if that didn't work, the parents were called in to the Principal's office. Which usually meant more corporal punishment at home and staying after school to write ad naseum, "I will not be mean to xxx," or a verse about kindness.

    It took only one swat at the teacher's desk in first grade for me to get the point. And I never had to write verses but one time in third grade when I didn't learn my times table for that week, and only during recess.

    I did have to complain to my daughter's middle school principal about a young male teacher participating in popular students harrassing my daughter in class which involved an explicit drawing of a sex act. His contract was not renewed the next year.

    PC correctness contributed a great deal to get this country at the point we are today, and as I remember it, most of this crap started in California in the 1960's and 1970's with a major faction coming from the east coast, too.


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    Rush is checking this out so for now it is just a claim by a caller, BUT the claim is that first dibs on flu shots are non=white "minority" kids.

    Now if this was a true "health emergency" (such as a sudden polio outbreak) then I could see having a "special assistance" program for kids from poorer families - NOTE POORER NOT "NON-WHITE" - whose parents could not afford the shot.

    But I don't care if it is the pig flu, the fig flu or the polkadot polar bear flu. It's the damn FLU. Mortality rates do not seem to be that much higher than any other form of influenza. A teacher from our local Episcopal boarding school tells me they have a few cases there and it is just the usual sick kids stuff they deal with every freaking year.

    There was a "Pearls Before Swine" strip a few years back wherein the Crocodiles called their "Zeeba neighba" (The Zebra, a pacifist they all wanted to kill and eat) and said: Hullooo Meestah Zeebah, this poleece! Beeg earthquake ees coming! Run outta you howse and cover you self with barbecue suce and lay on front yard!" Queek! Paneek!" The Zebra calmly but firmly told them to get bent.

    There is a parallell between that cartoon and this situation, no?

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Rush is checking this out so for now it is just a claim by a caller, BUT the claim is that first dibs on flu shots are non=white "minority" kids.

    Now if this was a true "health emergency" (such as a sudden polio outbreak) then I could see having a "special assistance" program for kids from poorer families - NOTE POORER NOT "NON-WHITE" - whose parents could not afford the shot.

    But I don't care if it is the pig flu, the fig flu or the polkadot polar bear flu. It's the damn FLU. Mortality rates do not seem to be that much higher than any other form of influenza. A teacher from our local Episcopal boarding school tells me they have a few cases there and it is just the usual sick kids stuff they deal with every freaking year.

    There was a "Pearls Before Swine" strip a few years back wherein the Crocodiles called their "Zeeba neighba" (The Zebra, a pacifist they all wanted to kill and eat) and said: Hullooo Meestah Zeebah, this poleece! Beeg earthquake ees coming! Run outta you howse and cover you self with barbecue suce and lay on front yard!" Queek! Paneek!" The Zebra calmly but firmly told them to get bent.

    There is a parallell between that cartoon and this situation, no?
    I'd love to find a copy of it, you're damn right there's a parallel.
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    ixtow wrote:
    The H1N1 vaccine is already being pushed at my son's school as "voluntary," but if you don't "volunteer" you get a visit from Child Protection Services... Who, upon arrival, promptly ask "Do you own any guns? Why do you think your child doesn't deserve to be healthy? You can't have guns if you have a child..."

    Several parents have already found out that their children were vaccinated and they would never have known, save overhearing their kids talking about it.
    I will have to call you on this one. If a school gives any medication, even a Tylenol, without proper permission, the school could be sued, the school nurse could lose her nursing licence, and that's if nothing happens to the kid. If the kid suffers any adverse affects, criminalcharges couldbe filed. No school official would go along with a "secret" vaccination program. The liability would be too great.



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    When I was a kid, there was no vaccine against chicken pox, mumps, measels, German measels; they were called "childhood diseases" and most of us pulled through just fine.
    And thousands of kids didn't pull through, people just accepted it because they had no choice, modern medicine has changed that.

    Although the overall mortality rates for H1N1 are only a little above the seasonal flu so far, the victims are far different than usual. In the average year about 50 children, die from the seasonal flu, as of Oct. 17, 102 have died, and pregnant women are dieing at approximately 6 times the rate of any other group.

    Flu season doesn't peak until after January.

    Although I don't trust much of what our government does, not everything is a big conspiracy. Sometimes they are justtrying to do the right thing. Maybe this is all an over reaction, but after the way people went on a witch hunt after Hurricane Katrina, no one is willing to take a chance that they will be blamed for a major failure.

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