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    I have a great idea to further the carry cause in n.j instead of the famous last words "well Jersey Sucks" why dont we freakin do something. i live in ocean county i think it would be great if we get 50 or 100 of us to open carry in our front yards on a chosen sunday. wouldnt that do something? there will probably be arrests made, but hey theres nothing illegal about it and we'll get in the news and we'll keep doing it until we get our foot in the door. do i have any volunteers? lets stop talking and start doing!

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    Damn, I live in another state, but grew up in Monmouth county. Great idea Eric, hope it works out. Looks like not much in the way of response so far. Keep up the idea, just make sure you think it out. Video it at each persons house with their own cameras, make sure that all are just going about their normal routine in the yard so the anti-gunners don't call LEO's stating that a man with a gun is waving it in the air. Protect yourselves so that the LEO can't cover up something based on a bogus report. No drinking, not a good idea to have BBQ and then get lit up. If the LEO do enter your property with out a warrant and your drunk, it just makes a bad thing worse. All the ducks need to be in a row.

    Good luck, hope something like this is organized and will be looking out for future info on how well it went. NJ needs this big time. Maybe the guys in Paterson is it, with the curfew can do this too. Let the BG's know they can't control the town.

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    Ya might want'a try an 'Empty Holster'Rally as Maryland did recently... but do it in a more convienient area... wander around in smallish groups, pass out 2A flyers 'n stuff... Combat the Tyranny!

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    jdgypsy wrote:
    Damn, I live in another state, but grew up in Monmouth county.
    Haha, me too. I can't imagine sitting on my lawn in Marlboro, in McMansionland, with a gun on my hip.

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    It's going to be a tough sell in a state that could be THE most anti-gun in the country. They almost never give out carry permits, and those that do probably NEVER open carry(except uniformed security).

    The best bet for NJ gun rights is going to be lawsuits after the McDonald,Palmer v. DC, Sykes cases are decided. This will make a number a NJ's laws unconstitutional. What a protest does is try to influence the legislature, which is stubborn. There has been a shall-issue bill for 10 years now, each time it never gets to a vote because 1 assembly member can always block it. That's unfortunately, the reality in NJ.

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    eric55 wrote:
    I have a great idea to further the carry cause in n.j instead of the famous last words "well Jersey Sucks" why dont we freakin do something. i live in ocean county i think it would be great if we get 50 or 100 of us to open carry in our front yards on a chosen sunday. wouldnt that do something? there will probably be arrests made, but hey theres nothing illegal about it and we'll get in the news and we'll keep doing it until we get our foot in the door. do i have any volunteers? lets stop talking and start doing!
    what exactly would you be protesting and how is expressive conduct of open carry going to help your message?

    Sounds like a bad idea to me - like those people showing up to Presidential health care events with long guns - confused message.

    Why do'nt folks with carry pemrits in New Jersey start open carrying in normal life?

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    Mike,

    There are a very small number of permits handed out in NJ, so if the legal ones/CCW holders were to carry OC on the lawns on Sat cutting crass, not gonna even be noticed.

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    and they will get arrested by local LEO in NJ, I would bet on it. Right, ofcourse not but that is NJ.

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    I currently live in Ocean County, as well.

    I recently read an article about a Toms River man who was arrested for openly carrying a firearm on his own property "in public view." Apparently, this is the way the State of NJ is interpreting it's law which states you may legally possess a firearm at your home or place of work. You may have it inside your home or place of work, but if any member of the public is able to view your firearm, it's illegal.

    So I would not recommend doing this, you will be arrested, you will be charged, you will be convicted, and you will be "just another criminal that had his hands on a gun."

    As for the legal CCW holders open carrying... They most likely will be arrested for disturbing the peace or terroristic threats or whatever other tort of legislature they could throw at the situation and make stick, and would probably have their CCW revoked because they will be judged a danger to society. Not to mention, as someone said, NJ does not hand out CCW permits to "regular Joes." You must be either very rich and powerful, a few movie stars that live in the state have them, or you must be a political cronie. The only other way to actually get a CCW permit in NJ is to be sponsored by, and working for an armored car or armed security company, and those permits will have restrictions printed directly on the card you're issued that state "This permit is not valid unless the holder is acting under employ of an armored car/security company at his designated place of work."

    Basically, for the normal citizen in NJ, you can't CCW. You can't open carry unless you want to be shot or arrested.

    A few anecdotal stories regarding this... I know someone who was denied on their application for their FID because there were pictures of him wearing camouflage on his MySpace. The Judge decided he was a danger to society and it would not be in the interest of public safety to issue him an FID. Therefore he may not own firearms in NJ at all.

    As for open carry, I was lucky I was not arrested, but I did not have my handgun on me when the police arrived. But, one night I heard someone screaming outside my house (through closed doors/windows, it was loud) and I grabbed my handgun and walked out my front door to make sure someone wasn't being murdered in my front yard. I didn't see anyone, but about 10 seconds later an SUV pulled into my driveway (no one I know owns an SUV, so I was concerned) Someone got out and yelled "did you just throw an egg at my car?" I said no, I live here, I head someone screaming. I was standing in my front yard with my handgun down at my side pointing at the ground, a woman from inside the SUV said "Oh my God it's a gun!" I said don't worry, I went in and stowed my handgun, and called the police. We all gave our reports to the responding officers, then the Sergeant called me over after everyone else left the scene. He told me "You can't take a gun out and roam the streets looking for people to shoot. If you were holding that gun when I came here I would have shot first and asked questions later." I told him I had no intention of harming anyone, but I wasn't going to walk out my front door to someone screaming loudly enough to hear it through my closed doors and windows without any protection at all. He got angry, and eventually just told me if he ever sees me with a handgun I'm arrested or dead.

    Unfortunately, this is NJ... There is nothing we can do. According to most who do not live here, they think we actually can CCW because "Why don't you just get the permit and do it legally?" The draconian anti-gun rhetoric in this state is far worse than even a lot of people whom own firearms here realize.

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    Ya might want'a try an 'Empty Holster'Rally as Maryland did recently... but do it in a more convienient area... wander around in smallish groups, pass out 2A flyers 'n stuff... Combat the Tyranny!
    Better yet, why not put one of those nifty blue training gun molds (Glock) in those empty holsters.

    http://www.blueguns.com/

    These will get out the protest in a more visible way. Organize walks like the American Heart Association does to raise money. Do the same for the gun rights movement in NJ.

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    Statesman wrote:
    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    Ya might want'a try an 'Empty Holster'Rally as Maryland did recently... but do it in a more convienient area... wander around in smallish groups, pass out 2A flyers 'n stuff... Combat the Tyranny!
    Better yet, why not put one of those nifty blue training gun molds (Glock) in those empty holsters.

    http://www.blueguns.com/

    These will get out the protest in a more visible way. Organize walks like the American Heart Association does to raise money. Do the same for the gun rights movement in NJ.
    Not sure if they would do it or not, but NJ will consider "imitation firearms" illegal if used in any way someone could consider them real. If someone said "There's people with guns!" I wouldn't put it past NJ to prosecute someone for carrying a blue gun.

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    Pyrodox wrote:
    Statesman wrote:
    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    Ya might want'a try an 'Empty Holster'Rally as Maryland did recently... but do it in a more convienient area... wander around in smallish groups, pass out 2A flyers 'n stuff... Combat the Tyranny!
    Better yet, why not put one of those nifty blue training gun molds (Glock) in those empty holsters.

    http://www.blueguns.com/

    These will get out the protest in a more visible way. Organize walks like the American Heart Association does to raise money. Do the same for the gun rights movement in NJ.
    Not sure if they would do it or not, but NJ will consider "imitation firearms" illegal if used in any way someone could consider them real. If someone said "There's people with guns!" I wouldn't put it past NJ to prosecute someone for carrying a blue gun.
    If it's not illegal, then do it until it is. It only shows the state legislature to be the tyrant Statist thugs that they are.

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    I have an idea.. MOVE like i did. I got fed up with NJ GUN LAWS. I live in kentucky now and i enjoy my rights to the 2nd

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    I would suggest against displaying anything that even looks like a gun... including multi-colored waterpistols in NJ. The government inculcated paranioa runs deep. NJ cops share the viewand enforce the tyranny like good little JBT's.

    Anyone who want's to exercise the 2A in their lifetime should make plans for leaving NJ w/no further strings attached.

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    Sonora Rebel has a very dangerous point.

    Have an open carry protest really in NJ? Well I don't know about you but the NJ State Poilce is a very very strong and well trained organization.

    The last thing I would want, or anyone would want, is for the NJSP to assemble their tactics unit and show up at the protest.

    Two things that sounds really bad about this. Protest and guns. Introduce both into the picture at the same time and I would bet my property that the NJSP tactics unit would show up in numbers you didn't even know existed and every single person would be arrested, not dispersed.

    If you want to protest about this issue, do not carry at all. Not even a holster.

    Either leave NJ or get a group together to organize a petition and go about this the right way. With verified signatures from registered voters. Anything else would cause a very dangerous situation and there is a very very high probability someone will get killed. Thats the honest truth.

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    Sonora Rebel has a very dangerous point.

    Have an open carry protest really in NJ? Well I don't know about you but the NJ State Poilce is a very very strong and well trained organization.

    The last thing I would want, or anyone would want, is for the NJSP to assemble their tactics unit and show up at the protest.

    Two things that sounds really bad about this. Protest and guns. Introduce both into the picture at the same time and I would bet my property that the NJSP tactics unit would show up in numbers you didn't even know existed and every single person would be arrested, not dispersed.

    If you want to protest about this issue, do not carry at all. Not even a holster.

    Either leave NJ or get a group together to organize a petition and go about this the right way. With verified signatures from registered voters. Anything else would cause a very dangerous situation and there is a very very high probability someone will get killed. Thats the honest truth.
    I have to agree... NJSP is about as Gestapo as you could get w/o the leather trenchcoats. They do not represent you... they reepresent themselves... and whoever signs their payvhecks. If the Constitution mattered, NJ wouldn't be as it is... and has been.

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    Mike wrote:
    eric55 wrote:
    I have a great idea to further the carry cause in n.j instead of the famous last words "well Jersey Sucks" why dont we freakin do something. i live in ocean county i think it would be great if we get 50 or 100 of us to open carry in our front yards on a chosen sunday. wouldnt that do something? there will probably be arrests made, but hey theres nothing illegal about it and we'll get in the news and we'll keep doing it until we get our foot in the door. do i have any volunteers? lets stop talking and start doing!
    what exactly would you be protesting and how is expressive conduct of open carry going to help your message?

    Sounds like a bad idea to me - like those people showing up to Presidential health care events with long guns - confused message.

    Why do'nt folks with carry permits in New Jersey start open carrying in normal life?
    OK, so I cannot find in Title 13, Chapter 54 where it is illegal to open carry a rifle or a shotgun. Is that prohibition somewhere else? Am I missing something in the NJ law?

    Please correct me if I am wrong, but for most NJ citizens wanting to open carry, it seems that the only option IS the long gun.

    Those that carry handguns but condemn the lawful bearing of other firearms are half sheeple. They are sending a very confused message.

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    Link: http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf...itle13ch54.pdf

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    You have to keep in mind the NJ courts control the CCW process, so they have a vested interest in denying people permits. The legislature basically gave the courts free reign, because the CCW statute never defined what "justifiable need," is. The courts made it whatever the hell they wanted, which is granting of permits to special privileged people, average Joes are SOL.

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    Thundar wrote:
    OK, so I cannot find in Title 13, Chapter 54 where it is illegal to open carry a rifle or a shotgun. Is that prohibition somewhere else? Am I missing something in the NJ law?

    Please correct me if I am wrong, but for most NJ citizens wanting to open carry, it seems that the only option IS the long gun.

    Those that carry handguns but condemn the lawful bearing of other firearms are half sheeple. They are sending a very confused message.

    Live Free or Die,

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    Link: http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf...itle13ch54.pdf

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    Try New Jersey Statute 2C:39-5. Unlawful Possession of Weapons.

    a. Machine guns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession a machine gun or any instrument or device adaptable for use as a machine gun, without being licensed to do so as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-5, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.
    b. Handguns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any handgun, including any antique handgun without first having obtained a permit to carry the same as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-4, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.
    c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.
    (2) Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

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    now thats seems that only if its loaded what about carrying an unloaded ar15 with a mag in you pocket what would that fall under, its N.J its gotta fall under something!

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    Unless you have deep pockets and are willing to be arrested, I wouldn't do it. The thing about NJ is EVERYTHING firearm related is assumed illegal, but, with certain exceptions.

    You may have heard about the Utah guy traveling through Newark airport getting thrown in jail for a week, handgun taken and never returned, and subsequently released with no charges(he was compliant with FOPA regulations). Not to mention that same NY/NJ Port Authority has arrested dozens of individuals traveling(under FOPA) with firearms. They think they don't have to follow federal laws.

    There's MANY more incidents of NJ gun law insanity. Unless it's clearly stated in their laws, trying to find a loophole will put you in a world of hurt.

    If you want CCW in NJ there are several cases on the heels of McDonald that can help do that. It's only a matter of time.

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    Wow get out of NJ....





    Here in Wa. we still have it pretty good......We have to keep our rights people or we will end up like the U.K.





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    Whoops ...sorry for the double.











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    DEROS72 is that you in the picture? i love washington i spent a month there last month, (Seattle has way to many wacho's)

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