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    in line with plans to bring attention to this 5 cent travisty.

    i propose that groups of at least 2 members go to a park, with 1 or more OCing, wearing a teeshirt that says "ask me why i carry a gun?" patrolling the legal area outside the park.

    while 1 or more others "unarmed, maybe with an empty holster"with friends and/orfamily/children inside the park wearing teeshirts that say "ask me why im not carrying a gun?"

    "gun rights" and "gun free zone" pamphlets would be on hand.

    the outside guys can explain that they are keeping the inside guys safe, and the inside guys can explain that they are safe because of the outside guys.
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.

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    2, 4, 5 A defender wrote:
    the outside guys can explain that they are keeping the inside guys safe, and the inside guys can explain that they are safe because of the outside guys.
    I don't like the idea of saying something quite like that. Personal safety is a personal responsibility. I get where you're going with this, but I don't like the idea of one group guarding another, especially if that other group is not guarding itself.

    Another problem is that some people will immediately jump to the conclusion that there are armed LEOs, so they don't need to be armed, and putting one's safety in someone else's hands just reinforces this.

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    Drewesque wrote:
    2, 4, 5 A defender wrote:
    the outside guys can explain that they are keeping the inside guys safe, and the inside guys can explain that they are safe because of the outside guys.
    I don't like the idea of saying something quite like that. Personal safety is a personal responsibility. I get where you're going with this, but I don't like the idea of one group guarding another, especially if that other group is not guarding itself.

    Another problem is that some people will immediately jump to the conclusion that there are armed LEOs, so they don't need to be armed, and putting one's safety in someone else's hands just reinforces this.
    i dont know why you even replied to this thread, its obvious you dont understand that the mayor has instituted a seattle wide illegal gun ban in the public parks. we just had a big meet at dinos restraunt to discuss ideas to fight this illegal rule. the meet was even on TV!

    reading my thread would show that the outside guys are not LEO, they are just law abiding, armed citizens. the inside guys are not shirking their responsability of self defense, they have been illegaly dissarmed, and put in personall danger by an unjust and illegal power grab by a lame duck mayor.

    its a protest, a demonstration, an educational oppertunity.



    BTW; out of the 40 folks at the meet, brainstorming ways to bring this to the attention of the public, why have not even ONE of you bothered to offer a reply to my idea?
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

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    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    2, 4, 5 A defender wrote:
    Drewesque wrote:
    2, 4, 5 A defender wrote:
    the outside guys can explain that they are keeping the inside guys safe, and the inside guys can explain that they are safe because of the outside guys.
    I don't like the idea of saying something quite like that. Personal safety is a personal responsibility. I get where you're going with this, but I don't like the idea of one group guarding another, especially if that other group is not guarding itself.

    Another problem is that some people will immediately jump to the conclusion that there are armed LEOs, so they don't need to be armed, and putting one's safety in someone else's hands just reinforces this.
    i dont know why you even replied to this thread,** its obvious you dont understand that the mayor has instituted a seattle wide illegal gun ban in the public parks.** we just had a big meet at dinos restraunt to discuss ideas to fight this illegal rule.** the meet was even on TV!

    reading my thread would show that the outside guys are not LEO, they are just law abiding, armed citizens.** the inside guys are not shirking their responsability of self defense,* they have been illegaly dissarmed, and put in personall danger by an unjust and illegal power grab by a lame duck mayor.

    its a protest,* a demonstration,* an educational oppertunity.

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    BTW;* out of the 40 folks at the meet, brainstorming ways to bring this to the attention of the public,* why have not even ONE of you bothered to offer a reply to my idea?
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    sorry but no.i allways sleep days anyhow.
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    2, 4, 5 A defender wrote:
    Drewesque wrote:
    2, 4, 5 A defender wrote:
    the outside guys can explain that they are keeping the inside guys safe, and the inside guys can explain that they are safe because of the outside guys.
    I don't like the idea of saying something quite like that. Personal safety is a personal responsibility. I get where you're going with this, but I don't like the idea of one group guarding another, especially if that other group is not guarding itself.

    Another problem is that some people will immediately jump to the conclusion that there are armed LEOs, so they don't need to be armed, and putting one's safety in someone else's hands just reinforces this.
    i dont know why you even replied to this thread, its obvious you dont understand that the mayor has instituted a seattle wide illegal gun ban in the public parks. we just had a big meet at dinos restraunt to discuss ideas to fight this illegal rule. the meet was even on TV!

    reading my thread would show that the outside guys are not LEO, they are just law abiding, armed citizens. the inside guys are not shirking their responsability of self defense, they have been illegaly dissarmed, and put in personall danger by an unjust and illegal power grab by a lame duck mayor.

    its a protest, a demonstration, an educational oppertunity.



    BTW; out of the 40 folks at the meet, brainstorming ways to bring this to the attention of the public, why have not even ONE of you bothered to offer a reply to my idea?
    No, I understand the goal of the event, and I see where you're going with it, but I just think any event in which you have someone say that they are relying on someone else for protection doesn't help. The empty-holster folks could point out the illegal gun ban, but I just don't suggest saying that they are safe because of the armed folks.
    At no point did I say the outside guys would be LEOs; I just pointed out that putting one's security in someone else's hands is a lot like the people who think the police will protect them.

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    thanx Drewesque
    im still thinkin my ideas are allways the best ever!

    but i am askin for input and i understand your view point.

    im surprized you dont agree with me. there was a 50/50 chance! oh well.

    but im totally shocked and appalled that nobody else has had anything to say about it.



    see ya on the boards bob
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    If indeed this ban is illegal (which it is) just open carry in the parks and then wait to file lawsuit.

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    cbackous wrote:
    If indeed this ban is illegal (which it is) just open carry in the parks and then wait to file lawsuit.
    Read through the discussions leading up to this point. The concern is that a poorly thought out and executed lawsuit can hurt your cause more than it helps. Make a mistake, lose the lawsuit, and you have just created a legal precedent which then has to be overturned.

    Look back and find the post by Gray Peterson about Rosa Parks and how that situation came about.

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    While I certainly can't speak for the other folks that were present at Dino's, I can say that, for me, I didn't reply until now because I just now read it. After considering your thought, I think that it is a good start to a potential plan.

    With that said, the members that were in attendance at Dino's came up with a few different options and the one that we voted on seems to stick out as the best in my humble opinion.

    Now, the option that we decided on should not be the only one that we consider and I hope that people, such as you, keep throwing out ideas as you have. The more options, the better as far as I'm concerned.

    All the plans in the world are useless without action. The next step is to plan out the details of the choice we all agreed upon and put our plan into action.

    For the non 2A friendly folkswho are reading this andhave no idea what our little plan is...

    ...scared yet?

    Gosh, we might totally make a whole bunch of LEGAL, non-aggressive, non-violent and extremely valid Constitutional points! Don't worry, we wont trample your right to free speech. Quite the contrary. Bet your butts, we'll be defending it!

    Promise to respect and not to trample our rights too? Yep, it's a challenge!

    To the members who are here for all the right reasons, we gotta honor and respect all ideas that our valued members think up. We're on the same team after all!

    Respectfully,

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    the back should say

    Defenseless Citizen

    Thank you Mayor 5 Pennies

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    the front should be

    go ahead and

    rob/beat/rape/kill me!!

    my mayor wants you too.

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    Boo Boo wrote:
    the back should say

    Defenseless Citizen

    Thank you Mayor 5 Pennies

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    the front should be

    go ahead and

    rob/beat/rape/kill me!!

    my mayor wants you too.
    That might be construed as agressive! Lol.

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    can always do.

    front

    Iwont be a Sheeple, I believein the 2nd Amendment

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    Are you a Sheeple?

    Sheeple (n) - those who are inordinately tolerant, or welcome government intrusion and regulation

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    Yep, still aggressive.

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    Commodore76 wrote:
    The next step is to plan out the details of the choice we all agreed upon and put our plan into action.
    So when do us that couldn't make the meeting find out what the plan is?

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    trevorthebusdriver wrote:
    Commodore76 wrote:
    The next step is to plan out the details of the choice we all agreed upon and put our plan into action.
    So when do us that couldn't make the meeting find out what the plan is?
    hi trev; i was there, and all we decided was to inform the public! i dont know why their are no ideas coming in that are better/differant than mine here.

    the commodore says keepem comin, but there is a giant sucking sound coming from the group.

    thank you Boo Boo for your input on teeshirt phrases, their good enough, and im sure there are other ones that can convay the RTBA/illegal city rules.

    and a big BTW Thank you NavyLT for that gun free zone pamphlet, and the case against mayor 5 cents for his illegal hoax/rule to violate our rights.
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    2, 4, 5 A defender wrote:
    trevorthebusdriver wrote:
    Commodore76 wrote:
    The next step is to plan out the details of the choice we all agreed upon and put our plan into action.
    So when do us that couldn't make the meeting find out what the plan is?
    hi trev; i was there, and all we decided was to inform the public! i dont know why their are no ideas coming in that are better/differant than mine here.

    the commodore says keepem comin, but there is a giant sucking sound coming from the group.

    thank you Boo Boo for your input on teeshirt phrases, their good enough, and im sure there are other ones that can convay the RTBA/illegal city rules.

    and a big BTW Thank you NavyLT for that gun free zone pamphlet, and the case against mayor 5 cents for his illegal hoax/rule to violate our rights.
    There is a little bit of a lack of ideas being thrown out. I'm not speaking for everyone, but I'm not creative in a way that would be productive or helpful to the cause. That's why I'm so in favor of other ideas comin in.

    If I might suggest that there be a little less attacking or blame and more friendly nudges passed out... something to do with honey as opposed to salt. Especially considering that we're all on the same team!

    So, keep the ideas comin, I'll just keep dreaming about how I'd LIKE to see this illegal activity caused by the Mayor changed!

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    trevorthebusdriver wrote:
    Commodore76 wrote:
    The next step is to plan out the details of the choice we all agreed upon and put our plan into action.
    So when do us that couldn't make the meeting find out what the plan is?
    There were a few there takin notes. I would PM DEROS72 for specifics.

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    heresolong wrote:
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    If indeed this ban is illegal (which it is) just open carry in the parks and then wait to file lawsuit.
    Read through the discussions leading up to this point. The concern is that a poorly thought out and executed lawsuit can hurt your cause more than it helps. Make a mistake, lose the lawsuit, and you have just created a legal precedent which then has to be overturned.

    Look back and find the post by Gray Peterson about Rosa Parks and how that situation came about.
    I read through and see the point that you have about not wanting to set a bad legal precedent. However, the State Attorney General Rob McKenna has already optioned that state law pre-empts local authority to adopt firearms regulations, unless specifically authorized by law.

    As I see it, we already have our precedent. Include this with the NRA lawsuit already on file and the issue will be solved pretty soon.

    On a side note *"If someone with a gun enters one of those facilities, he or she will be asked by parks employees or Seattle police to leave. If the person won't leave, he or she could be cited or arrested for criminal trespass, according to the mayor's office."* (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...gunban28m.html)

    I know this has been mentioned before, but how can one trespass on public property such as a park (aside from the hours of darkness rules)? When/If they cite you, what LAW would they say you are in violation of?

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    Commodore76 wrote:
    trevorthebusdriver wrote:
    Commodore76 wrote:
    The next step is to plan out the details of the choice we all agreed upon and put our plan into action.
    So when do us that couldn't make the meeting find out what the plan is?
    There were a few there takin notes. I would PM DEROS72 for specifics.
    I'll just keep dreaming about how I'd LIKE to see this illegal activity caused by the Mayor changed!

    so how would you like to get this changed?

    the sucking sound, might havebeen rude; but the silence is deaffening! nobody has anything to say!?

    is deros72 the point man for the innaction we are currently not followinng thru with?

    im startin to wonder if the "plan" got voted to be a secret, so our opposition wouldnt know what were upto. coarse non of us would know either!

    you wrote in to tell Boo Boo his teeshirt words were too aggressive; but didnt manage to critique the idea of my information stratagy.

    if the plans are too sensitive please PM me, it should be safe now as ive changed my name. no commas!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

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    1245A Defender wrote:
    Commodore76 wrote:
    trevorthebusdriver wrote:
    Commodore76 wrote:
    The next step is to plan out the details of the choice we all agreed upon and put our plan into action.
    So when do us that couldn't make the meeting find out what the plan is?
    There were a few there takin notes. I would PM DEROS72 for specifics.
    I'll just keep dreaming about how I'd LIKE to see this illegal activity caused by the Mayor changed!

    so how would you like to get this changed?

    the sucking sound, might havebeen rude; but the silence is deaffening! nobody has anything to say!?

    is deros72 the point man for the innaction we are currently not followinng thru with?

    im startin to wonder if the "plan" got voted to be a secret, so our opposition wouldnt know what were upto. coarse non of us would know either!

    you wrote in to tell Boo Boo his teeshirt words were too aggressive; but didnt manage to critique the idea of my information stratagy.

    if the plans are too sensitive please PM me, it should be safe now as ive changed my name. no commas!
    Wow, so this is going to turn into a cute little bitch session? Be at the adopt a highway clean up where we will be holding the second meeting as we discussed at Dino's.

    Keep in mind that we are doing this because we really believe in the purpose. Bitching at people using cute little phrasesaboutdeafening sounds and the like is going to just piss people off and probably be counter productive.

    Remember what was brought up at the meeting about sniping people? You're sniping the whole group.Remember, weare, in essence, doing this for the love of the Constitution. We owe it to the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights and to the Constitution of Washington State. We do not owe it to the time table that you have created for us. EVERYBODY HAS A SCHEDULE. We're trying to pick days and times that most of the group can make it. Next is 8Nov09. That was the first day we could get most to agree on and we still couldn't get EVERYONE! So, if it's going to be a united front and a group effort, understand that we're moving pretty fast for a loosely affiliated group of people.

    I don't believe that we should wait forever before doing something. Let's get organized a little better before we go and make a bunch of asses out of ourselves. Smart action can be better than fast action. I this case, it is absolute. Unless you want a bunch of members from the forum going to jail for rallying to a "MUST MOVE NOW OR DIE" mantra.

    We're trying to change people's minds about guns. We are not the first to try this. Every tactic thus far has made dents in some anti's minds. Let's continue that work, find THE BEST approach that we can and then work the plan.

    Respectfully, for God's sake,

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    +1 Commo, nice post.

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    PM me about the 8-11-09 I know nothing of this and I missed the meet at Dino's.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    PMd!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.

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    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    Thanks for posting "PM'd"! I'm sure that saved a lot of PM's from people! (Like me)

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