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I was asked to disarm today

Mr.arker

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Ironically, the first gun control laws in southern states were designed to restrict gun possession by the newly freed slaves.
If Milwaukee ever restricted the possession of firearms by blacks, the homicide rate would drop by oh 85-90%.
Sorry to insult any law abiding black gun owners, but I'm just keepin' it real.
 

AaronS

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mr. parker wrote:
Ironically, the first gun control laws in southern states were designed to restrict gun possession by the newly freed slaves.
If Milwaukee ever restricted the possession of firearms by blacks, the homicide rate would drop by oh 85-90%.
Sorry to insult any law abiding black gun owners, but I'm just keepin' it real.
This kind of talk needs to stop right now. I am being 100% real on that.
 

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HankT wrote:
Brendon .45 wrote:
By the time he told me not to shoot him, I was already disarmed. I think itwas kind of in jest; but still quite disconcerting that someone would actually think that.

I didn't mention this part to the manager as I didn't feel that would accomplish anything. I don't want anyone to lose their jobs over this. I just want everyone there to work from the same playbook, which it appears Cliff will make sure of that! I could tell thisemployee was not too familiar with handguns to begin with, and he even admitted that to me. I did mention this part to Cliff.

And for the record, I am the only person who handled my firearm during this situation.

I think you handled the jesting clerk and the situation just fine. Some people in the same situation like to jaw some before they decide what to do--exit or comply.

In this case the jester "won" the skirmish but you "won" the battle.

Running a big box retailstore is a complicated nightmare. And the people who work there do make mistakes.

Hell, they may make the same mistake again in a month. It's not like OC is normal or anything....
Yeah, certainly not in Wisconsin where the only thing you can do is OC. And in a store that sells guns.

A freaking sock?! In my store, either the clerk gets to be your courteous female dog the next time you shop there, no commission, or he gets fired.
 

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AaronS wrote:
The blacks that live around me make more money then I do. I bet they make a bit more then you. You should get out more.
Sorry, I forgot, sarcasm is lost online. I tried to help it with the rolling eyes.

And it's not just blacks that make more money than me. Pretty much EVERYBODY makes more money than me!
 

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gollbladder13 wrote:
HankT

Legal or illegal guns? :quirky

Good question. The answer is, of course, both.

But, as I considered the question before I posted, it seemed unlikely that any solid data could be had for the illegal guns.

What do you think, G13? Do you think white folks own more (legal or illegal) guns than black folks in the U.S?

It's actually a very interesting area. If we had data....there would undoubtedly be some implications that could be discussed.
 

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mr. parker wrote:
Ironically, the first gun control laws in southern states were designed to restrict gun possession by the newly freed slaves.
If Milwaukee ever restricted the possession of firearms by blacks, the homicide rate would drop by oh 85-90%.
Sorry to insult any law abiding black gun owners, but I'm just keepin' it real.

That's an interesting take. I didn't realize that restricting gun ownership lowers the murder rate. Do you work for Flynn?
 

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HankT wrote:
gollbladder13 wrote:
HankT

Legal or illegal guns? :quirky

Good question. The answer is, of course, both.

But, as I considered the question before I posted, it seemed unlikely that any solid data could be had for the illegal guns.

What do you think, G13? Do you think white folks own more (legal or illegal) guns than black folks in the U.S?

It's actually a very interesting area. If we had data....there would undoubtedly be some implications that could be discussed.
What I think doesn't matter...
 

J.Gleason

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Doug Huffman wrote:
Be careful. Actions speak more loudly than words. A wrongful arrest at the behest of a junior employee is still an arrest that can go horribly wrong.
I wonder, since the policy of the store as per the manager is to allow OCW, then maybe the OP should have left the store and called the police and reported the fire arm stolen. :lol:

Would have been interesting to see how that turned out.

Otherwise I think I would have laughed and walked out.
 

gollbladder13

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J.Gleason wrote:
Doug Huffman wrote:
Be careful. Actions speak more loudly than words. A wrongful arrest at the behest of a junior employee is still an arrest that can go horribly wrong.
I wonder, since the policy of the store as per the manager is to allow OCW, then maybe the OP should have left the store and called the police and reported the fire arm stolen. :lol:

Would have been interesting to see how that turned out.

This literally made me laugh out loud, and I needed that (it's already been a long day). I would have LOVED to see that if it happened!!!
 

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gollbladder13 wrote:
HankT wrote:
gollbladder13 wrote:
HankT

Legal or illegal guns? :quirky

Good question. The answer is, of course, both.

But, as I considered the question before I posted, it seemed unlikely that any solid data could be had for the illegal guns.

What do you think, G13? Do you think white folks own more (legal or illegal) guns than black folks in the U.S?

It's actually a very interesting area. If we had data....there would undoubtedly be some implications that could be discussed.
What I think doesn't matter...

Sure it matters. You're a citizen. You're familiar with guns. You have opinions about a guns, gun carry, and gun laws. That's exceeding normal for us on a, ahem, discussion forum.

What's with this fatalistic "What I think doesn't matters" stuff? Your opinion counts the same as anyone else's. Your opinion might be interesting. And educational.

Not that you're required to formulate an opinion, of course. No law that forces you or anything...
 

Nutczak

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mr. parker wrote:
Ironically, the first gun control laws in southern states were designed to restrict gun possession by the newly freed slaves.
If Milwaukee ever restricted the possession of firearms by blacks, the homicide rate would drop by oh 85-90%.
Sorry to insult any law abiding black gun owners, but I'm just keepin' it real.

Mr. Parker, Most of these murders perpetrated by blacks are done by people that are already ineligible to own firearms due to felonies or being mentally deficient.

So you are using the liberal thought processof trying to disarm everyone to to try and disarm the illegals that already on guns. It does not work. We see it every day as proof.

Now there is some striking FBI data that would seem to back up your claim that blacks are 500% more likely to commit a violent crime than any other race. But due to the current social atmosphere, this cannot be said without being called a racist.

PM sent,
 

Brendon .45

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It looks like this took on a life of its own here!!

Anywho, as I replied earlier, the store manager, Cliff, was apolegetic to me and said he would make sure his staff is familiar with their policies and state laws.

For those who said I should never disarm and that I was in the wrong in doing so- let me put this in another light. HereI amshopping with my 2 year old daughter. I was asked to disarm as it was"store policy". Not wanting to risk the MWAG call to the police, with possible detention and worst of all having my daughter hauled off by child protective services because for some stupid reason they decide to haul me off in cuffs (this IS the Madison area after all...), I complied and left. I knew that the best place to take this battle was to the top.

I did give the salesman a little bit of a hard time and he just kept saying it wasn't his rule. From the tone of my conversation with Cliff, it sounded like he was going to be fairly heavy handed once he found out who it was (again, I didn't get the guys name - just a description and the time I was there).
 

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http://www.ci.mil.wi.us/HomicideReviewComm22506.htm


I was being sarcastic about restricting the gun rights of any group of people but I was pissed about that comment made to McX. Look at the data. We have a crime problem that is serious here and all I ever hear about is the foolish restrictions placed on law abiding citizens.
I made a comment in the recent thread about concealed carry and it was the last one so I don't know if anyone saw it or not but it showed that Flynn is power (control) hungry and for the record, I don't work for him.
 

bnhcomputing

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Brendon .45 wrote:
It looks like this took on a life of its own here!!

Anywho, as I replied earlier, the store manager, Cliff, was apolegetic to me and said he would make sure his staff is familiar with their policies and state laws.

For those who said I should never disarm and that I was in the wrong in doing so- let me put this in another light. HereI amshopping with my 2 year old daughter. I was asked to disarm as it was"store policy". Not wanting to risk the MWAG call to the police, with possible detention and worst of all having my daughter hauled off by child protective services because for some stupid reason they decide to haul me off in cuffs (this IS the Madison area after all...), I complied and left. I knew that the best place to take this battle was to the top.

I did give the salesman a little bit of a hard time and he just kept saying it wasn't his rule. From the tone of my conversation with Cliff, it sounded like he was going to be fairly heavy handed once he found out who it was (again, I didn't get the guys name - just a description and the time I was there).


Brendon:

It's not so much this took on a life as much as we are pissed that this keeps happening, and the management of these stores NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!

Cliff says it's OK, but his employee didn't know? Who trained the employee? Somebody failed to do the proper job, and you were made to suffer for it.

Another example: Middle management (WalMart) calls the police, they escort you out. Two months later, the manager calls you and says, "I am sorry, we don't know which of our employees called." That's BS! Do I need to make the open records request and bring the manager the tape? Why doesn't the manager get the copy, so he KNOWS who to send packing (no pun intended).

LEO is no different, every LEO in the state should be aware of the AG's memo, so should DISPATCH! So why was Yates cited, why was Frank run in, why have a half-dozen members reported LEO contacts in-store, parking lot, or near Walmarts?

There is NO EXCUSE for the comments you got at Gander, especially given their corporate policy.

I get the MWAG call issue, believe me, I wouldn't want to seperated from my kids either.

As to reporting it stolen, I don't think they kept the firearm, just had him unload it, so it wasn't stolen.
 

Venator

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AaronS wrote:
mr. parker wrote:
Ironically, the first gun control laws in southern states were designed to restrict gun possession by the newly freed slaves.
If Milwaukee ever restricted the possession of firearms by blacks, the homicide rate would drop by oh 85-90%.
Sorry to insult any law abiding black gun owners, but I'm just keepin' it real.
This kind of talk needs to stop right now. I am being 100% real on that.

Why? Politically correct speech is just as much an infringement on our rights as gun control laws. By being politically correct in your speech is the first step toward the out right ban on words. God help us then.

Let him say what he wants.
 
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