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Writing a paper on Gun Control, need sources

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HankT wrote:
Yes.

Please get to the part where it says that the Brady-ites are "dead set on getting rid of America's guns even though doing so violates the second amendment."
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They were supporting a ban, a complete restriction on the right to keep and bear arms, in DC. The logic used was that the government may impose any restrictions it wants on private ownership of guns, as that is not protected by the second amendment. The wording used to describe their support of this ban was "support of 'common sense' gun control measures." It is obvious from their support of this ban and the wording used that they think common sense measures include the illegalization of privately owned guns. This violates the second amendment, which gives the people (those who comprise "America") the right to keep and bear arms.
 
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I think you will find the NRA to be a usefull tool in your research. I copied the following from Seattle Guns .net

Numbers don’t lie, people…


Gun History

After reading the following historical facts, read the part
about Switzerland twice.

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control... From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1..5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total
of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
rounded up and exterminated.

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
because of gun control: 56 million..

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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by
new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their
own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:

List of 7 items:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the
ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was
expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The
Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them
of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens.'

Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew
most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message
to all of your friends.

The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in
defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more
important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is
supplemental.

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY
CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!


IT'S A NO BRAINER!

DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS
IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.

I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment!

If you are too,
please forward.


Just think how powerful our government is getting!

They think these other countries just didn't do it right..

Learn from history.

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Tawnos wrote:
HankT wrote:
Yes.

Please get to the part where it says that the Brady-ites are "dead set on getting rid of America's guns even though doing so violates the second amendment."
Click to expand...
They were supporting a ban, a complete restriction on the right to keep and bear arms, in DC. The logic used was that the government may impose any restrictions it wants on private ownership of guns, as that is not protected by the second amendment. The wording used to describe their support of this ban was "support of 'common sense' gun control measures." It is obvious from their support of this ban and the wording used that they think common sense measures include the illegalization of privately owned guns. This violates the second amendment, which gives the people (those who comprise "America") the right to keep and bear arms.
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Inference. Biased,too.

Where is the quote...and the cite for it.....that nails down that the Bradies are "dead set on getting rid of America's guns even though doing so violates the second amendment?"


Can you produce the quote, something that says, "We Bradies want to elminate all guns. We don't care about the 2A." Something like that...

Skip the inference. Let's go for the quote...
 
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HankT wrote:
Tawnos wrote:
HankT wrote:
Yes.

Please get to the part where it says that the Brady-ites are "dead set on getting rid of America's guns even though doing so violates the second amendment."
Click to expand...
They were supporting a ban, a complete restriction on the right to keep and bear arms, in DC. The logic used was that the government may impose any restrictions it wants on private ownership of guns, as that is not protected by the second amendment. The wording used to describe their support of this ban was "support of 'common sense' gun control measures." It is obvious from their support of this ban and the wording used that they think common sense measures include the illegalization of privately owned guns. This violates the second amendment, which gives the people (those who comprise "America") the right to keep and bear arms.
Click to expand...
Inference. Biased,too.

Where is the quote...and the cite for it.....that nails down that the Bradies are "dead set on getting rid of America's guns even though doing so violates the second amendment?"


Can you produce the quote, something that says, "We Bradies want to elminate all guns. We don't care about the 2A." Something like that...

Skip the inference. Let's go for the quote...
Click to expand...
I forgot, inference requires intelligence, something obviously lacking on the other end of this conversation. Proof by induction is considered a legitimate form of logic.

1. DC effectively banned the guns of Americans living there (America's guns).
2. That was challenged
3. Brady opposed (2)
4. Brady argued in (3) that the second amendment did not apply to Americans, only Americans' government
5. Through their support of (1) and the arguments put forth in (4) for the purpose of (3), Brady effectively stated they wish to eliminate the guns privately owned by Americans (i.e. America's guns).
6. Brady put forth a statement after their position in (4) being legally denied that it disagreed with the court ruling and still supported (1) across the country.
7. By (6), one can induce Brady supported and continues to support what is effectively total restriction on ownership of guns, extended to all areas.
 
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