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armed vigilantes? in the uw
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j2l3
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grishnav wrote:
It is legal, there are no criminal sanctions for anyone carrying a gun on campus. There are administrative sanctions against students, staff and faculty. No sanctions against the general public other than being asked ot leave by a "uniformed UW Campus Police Officer." Refusal to leave could then result in a trespass charge.
The article doesn't say they are on campus. It said they are in the University Avenue area and other areas AROUND the campus.
I am NOT a lawyer.....
Reading the actual WAC 478 it lists conduct on campus.
478-124-020 lists prohibited conduct, one of which is possession of weapons on campus.
478-124-030 lists sanctions for violations.
(1) Any person while on the university campus who willfully refuses the request of a uniformed campus police officer to desist from conduct prohibited by these rules may be required by such officer to leave such premises.
(2) Disciplinary action which may result in dismissal from the university will be initiated against faculty, staff or students who violate these rules, in accordance with the applicable disciplinary codes or other appropriate due process procedures.
(3) Sanctions which may be imposed against faculty are set forth in the University of Washington Handbook, Volume II, Chapter 25, Sections 25-51 and 25-71.
(4) Sanctions which may be imposed against students are set forth in WAC 478-120-040.
(5) Sanctions which may be imposed against classified staff are set forth in the relevant University of Washington labor contract for contract-classified staff, and in Title 357 WAC and applicable university policy for classified nonunion staff.
(6) Sanctions which may be imposed against the professional staff are set forth in the University of Washington Professional Staff Program.
(7) Violation of any of the above regulations may also constitute violation of the criminal laws or ordinances of the city of Seattle, State of Washington, or the United States and may subject a violator to criminal sanctions in addition to any sanctions imposed by the university.
Nowhere are criminal penalties mentioned, because there are none. Staff and students can be sanctioned. Anyone else can be asked to leave. Refusal then would fall under criminal trespass statutes.
Laws do not tell us what we can do, they tell us what we cannot do. If there is no law against something, then it is by default, legal activity.
Going a step further:
RCW 9.41.280 Possessing dangerous weapons on school facilities – penalty – exceptions
(1) It is unlawful for a person to carry onto, or to possess on, public or private elementary or secondary school premises, school provided transportation, or areas of facilities while being used exclusively by public or private schools:
This RCW doesn’t apply to the university because it is not a primary or secondary school.
RCW 9.41.300 Weapons prohibited in certain places – Local laws and ordinances – Exceptions – Penalty.
Nowhere in this RCW does it mention schools at all, let alone universities. Therefore it also does not apply.
Therefore, there is no criminal penalty for possession of a firearm on campus. There are sanctions against students and staff, but not on other citizens other than asked to leave and then charged with criminal trespass if they refused to leave campus when directed by the campus police.
Technically, Seattle PD cannot ask one to leave the campus for weapons possession. The WAC says specifically a uniformed campus police officer must make the request.
grishnav wrote:
It is legal, there are no criminal sanctions for anyone carrying a gun on campus. There are administrative sanctions against students, staff and faculty. No sanctions against the general public other than being asked ot leave by a "uniformed UW Campus Police Officer." Refusal to leave could then result in a trespass charge.
The article doesn't say they are on campus. It said they are in the University Avenue area and other areas AROUND the campus.
I am NOT a lawyer.....
Reading the actual WAC 478 it lists conduct on campus.
478-124-020 lists prohibited conduct, one of which is possession of weapons on campus.
478-124-030 lists sanctions for violations.
(1) Any person while on the university campus who willfully refuses the request of a uniformed campus police officer to desist from conduct prohibited by these rules may be required by such officer to leave such premises.
(2) Disciplinary action which may result in dismissal from the university will be initiated against faculty, staff or students who violate these rules, in accordance with the applicable disciplinary codes or other appropriate due process procedures.
(3) Sanctions which may be imposed against faculty are set forth in the University of Washington Handbook, Volume II, Chapter 25, Sections 25-51 and 25-71.
(4) Sanctions which may be imposed against students are set forth in WAC 478-120-040.
(5) Sanctions which may be imposed against classified staff are set forth in the relevant University of Washington labor contract for contract-classified staff, and in Title 357 WAC and applicable university policy for classified nonunion staff.
(6) Sanctions which may be imposed against the professional staff are set forth in the University of Washington Professional Staff Program.
(7) Violation of any of the above regulations may also constitute violation of the criminal laws or ordinances of the city of Seattle, State of Washington, or the United States and may subject a violator to criminal sanctions in addition to any sanctions imposed by the university.
Nowhere are criminal penalties mentioned, because there are none. Staff and students can be sanctioned. Anyone else can be asked to leave. Refusal then would fall under criminal trespass statutes.
Laws do not tell us what we can do, they tell us what we cannot do. If there is no law against something, then it is by default, legal activity.
Going a step further:
RCW 9.41.280 Possessing dangerous weapons on school facilities – penalty – exceptions
(1) It is unlawful for a person to carry onto, or to possess on, public or private elementary or secondary school premises, school provided transportation, or areas of facilities while being used exclusively by public or private schools:
This RCW doesn’t apply to the university because it is not a primary or secondary school.
RCW 9.41.300 Weapons prohibited in certain places – Local laws and ordinances – Exceptions – Penalty.
Nowhere in this RCW does it mention schools at all, let alone universities. Therefore it also does not apply.
Therefore, there is no criminal penalty for possession of a firearm on campus. There are sanctions against students and staff, but not on other citizens other than asked to leave and then charged with criminal trespass if they refused to leave campus when directed by the campus police.
Technically, Seattle PD cannot ask one to leave the campus for weapons possession. The WAC says specifically a uniformed campus police officer must make the request.
krazichinaman
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All the hard workwe put into starting the UW chapter of SCCC has gone down the drain................
:banghead:
All the hard workwe put into starting the UW chapter of SCCC has gone down the drain................
:banghead:
krazichinaman
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Here is the link to the old article if anyone is interested.
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/360420_guns24.html
Here is the link to the old article if anyone is interested.
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/360420_guns24.html
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j2l3 wrote:
(6) Nothing herein shall be construed to deny students their legally and/or constitutionally protected rights.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=478-120-020
(4) Nothing herein shall be construed as being intended to protect any person or class of persons from injury or harm, or construed to deny students their legally and/or constitutionally protected rights.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=478-120-025
On Campus & Off Campus
XD
j2l3 wrote:
(6) Nothing herein shall be construed to deny students their legally and/or constitutionally protected rights.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=478-120-020
(4) Nothing herein shall be construed as being intended to protect any person or class of persons from injury or harm, or construed to deny students their legally and/or constitutionally protected rights.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=478-120-025
On Campus & Off Campus
XD
krazichinaman
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I contacted the 2 individuals and informed them about the SCCC and the current campus leader. Hopefully they will follow through with it.:uhoh:
I contacted the 2 individuals and informed them about the SCCC and the current campus leader. Hopefully they will follow through with it.:uhoh:
jarhead1911A
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ya know i realize with the seattle gun issues that we didnt want to drag SPD into this but after watching that news clip i really am not impressed with seattle PD at all now and i think they need to pull there collective doughnut eating ass's out of hole they are hiding them in.
So because we are all carrying i guess we are vigilanties now.... wooohoooo
ya know i realize with the seattle gun issues that we didnt want to drag SPD into this but after watching that news clip i really am not impressed with seattle PD at all now and i think they need to pull there collective doughnut eating ass's out of hole they are hiding them in.
So because we are all carrying i guess we are vigilanties now.... wooohoooo
Commodore76
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jarhead1055 wrote:
jarhead1055 wrote:
We can always count on you to be the tactful one! Remember, cops, by and large, good! Stay out of Puyallup!
jarhead1911A
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maybe so but chief of police departments need to wake up damn politians with a gun
maybe so but chief of police departments need to wake up damn politians with a gun
Commodore76
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jarhead1055 wrote:
jarhead1055 wrote:
The former chief of Police for Seattle couldn't control his own weapon. It was stolen out of his official vehicle!
jarhead1911A
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ya i know im still laughing about it, i cant wait to find it on seattleguns at some point in the future
ya i know im still laughing about it, i cant wait to find it on seattleguns at some point in the future
Commodore76
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jarhead1055 wrote:
jarhead1055 wrote:
Gunbroker.com? I could just see the advertisement. "Official Issue of the Seattle PD!"
jarhead1911A
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no gunbroker is for people who have common sense, seattleguns is for people to ask way to much for there used stuff
no gunbroker is for people who have common sense, seattleguns is for people to ask way to much for there used stuff
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One of these guys was on the Dave Ross show today
listen here: http://icestream.bonnint.net/seattle/kiro/2009/10/p_Dave_Ross_Show_20091029_11am.mp3 11:25 am
One of these guys was on the Dave Ross show today
listen here: http://icestream.bonnint.net/seattle/kiro/2009/10/p_Dave_Ross_Show_20091029_11am.mp3 11:25 am
sudden valley gunner
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They just had it on news again KOMO 4. They need to get it right guns are not illegal at universities by state law.
I like these guys. He didn't talk about being bait today. I am for these guys, citizens patrolling without using our tax dollars more power to them.
They just had it on news again KOMO 4. They need to get it right guns are not illegal at universities by state law.
I like these guys. He didn't talk about being bait today. I am for these guys, citizens patrolling without using our tax dollars more power to them.
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is it WAC that does not allow firearms on college campuses?
I got joel to remove where it said wash state law prohibits and he removed the law part.
he says its phrohibited by the WAC. anyone better at looking up the rcw/wac that feels they could educate joel more?or better yet maybe someone who does can get interviewd by him and we can explain it better
I nominate Jim
is it WAC that does not allow firearms on college campuses?
I got joel to remove where it said wash state law prohibits and he removed the law part.
he says its phrohibited by the WAC. anyone better at looking up the rcw/wac that feels they could educate joel more?or better yet maybe someone who does can get interviewd by him and we can explain it better
I nominate Jim
sudden valley gunner
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There are lots of guys on here better than me for quoting WAC's. I do know that Just_a_car, just graduated and is pretty knowledgable so he might be a good canidate.
There are lots of guys on here better than me for quoting WAC's. I do know that Just_a_car, just graduated and is pretty knowledgable so he might be a good canidate.
sudden valley gunner
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That only applies to students right?
That only applies to students right?
.45ACPaddy
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Solution:
OC off campus, CC on campus. If you conceal carry in a correct manner, nobody will know you're carrying. Don't tell anyone, don't show anyone.
Solution:
OC off campus, CC on campus. If you conceal carry in a correct manner, nobody will know you're carrying. Don't tell anyone, don't show anyone.