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    I don't want to highjack the other thread anymore than it already has, so here's a new topic:

    I know Brass Mills and Buckland Hills are both posted. I suspect most malls in CT are posted if you look in the right location.

    Where I've seen postings:
    - Inside the first set of doors to the mall from outside. Usually on one of the walls before you get to the next set of doors. Typically on their "Code of Conduct."
    - Inside the mall on a stand somewhere with other things you are prohibited from doing at the mall.

    Places I have never seen postings:
    - At ANY entrance to an anchor store
    - At ANY entrance to a restaurant in the mall
    - At ANY entrance to any other store in the mall

    As an example, Here's what I found at Buckland Hills just now.
    Posted:
    Mall entrance between Panera and Bertuccis
    Mall entrance between Macy's and JC Penney
    Mall entrance between macy's stores posted.
    Mall entrance near Ruby Tuesday's

    Not Posted:
    No entrance to JC Penney, inside or out
    No entrance to either Macy's, inside or out
    No entrance to Barnes & Noble, inside or out
    No entrance to Dicks, inside or out
    Previous trips have also shown Panera and Bertucci's entrances are not posted.

    Didn't check:
    Any Sears entrance.

    Attached is what the bottom half of the "Code of Conduct" sign looks like.

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    I would love to know how well this would actually hold up in court.

    "Didn't you see the sign?"

    "What sign? I entered through Bertuccis."

    "Doh!"
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    Won't work for me... the internet's amazing memory is accessible to everyone. I made a conscious choice to post it though.

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    Considering they aren't going to know about a concealed weapon until you use it, it would be nice if there was a law that struck down any other laws if you properly acted in self defense.

    That would effectively destroy these signs.
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    If they had just worded it "No illegal weapons or firearms" it could reasonably be argued that a permit holder is well within his rights to carry his firearm. It's not "illegal" to do so, after all. Unfortunately that is not the case.

    One day I may try to sit down with mall management and talk to them. I know it won't do anything but I sure would feel better about it.

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    It would be nice to get organized and do this together with a well organized presentation.

    Sounds like an excellent job for the CCDL.
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    No Firearms or Illegal weapons.

    My Firearms are not Illegal!

    We should have an open carry party in their parking lot! The sign says nothing about outside the door. LOL!!
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    Lenny Benedetto wrote:
    The sign says nothing about outside the door.
    Or an open carry dinner in the Bertucci's in the mall.
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    Now there's a thought. Manchester has no town ordinances against carrying openly.

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    gluegun wrote:
    Now there's a thought. Manchester has no town ordinances against carrying openly.
    Kevin,

    What towns do?
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    None that I've heard of yet.

    New Britain, however, does prohibit concealed carry:

    Sec. 16-80. Carrying concealed weapons.
    (a) No person shall wear under his clothes, or conceal upon or about his person any deadly or dangerous weapon including, but not limited to any pistol, dagger, metal knuckles, razor, slingshot, blackjack, sword or canegun. The provisions of this paragraph shall not apply to any person who is found with any such weapon or implement concealed upon his person while lawfully removing his household goods or effects from one place to another, or from one residence to another, nor to any person while actually and peaceably engaged in carrying any such weapon or implement from his place of abode or business to a place or person where or by whom such weapon or implement is to be repaired, or while actually and peaceably returning to his place of abode or business with such weapon or implement after the same has been repaired.

    (b) This section shall not apply to any law enforcement officer in the discharge of his duty. (Code 1970, § 15-12) State law references: Similar provisions, G.S. § 53-206(a).
    There's no exception in the law for anyone with a permit to carry. They also have an ordinance stating that anyone with a reasonable belief that they or someone in their family is at risk of attach may apply to the Chief of Police for a permit to carry. That ordinance also doesn't specify concealed, which would make sense, because it's illegal.

    Shall we have an event in New Britain?

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    gluegun wrote:
    If they had just worded it "No illegal weapons or firearms" it could reasonably be argued that a permit holder is well within his rights to carry his firearm. It's not "illegal" to do so, after all. Unfortunately that is not the case.

    One day I may try to sit down with mall management and talk to them. I know it won't do anything but I sure would feel better about it.
    Being as just about every mall in America hs very similar Rules of Conduct...I'm not sure speaking to management would help. Would need to speak with the corporate owner....
    States dont have rights. People do.

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    gluegun wrote:
    None that I've heard of yet.

    New Britain, however, does prohibit concealed carry:

    Sec. 16-80. Carrying concealed weapons.
    (a) No person shall wear under his clothes, or conceal upon or about his person any deadly or dangerous weapon including, but not limited to any pistol, dagger, metal knuckles, razor, slingshot, blackjack, sword or canegun. The provisions of this paragraph shall not apply to any person who is found with any such weapon or implement concealed upon his person while lawfully removing his household goods or effects from one place to another, or from one residence to another, nor to any person while actually and peaceably engaged in carrying any such weapon or implement from his place of abode or business to a place or person where or by whom such weapon or implement is to be repaired, or while actually and peaceably returning to his place of abode or business with such weapon or implement after the same has been repaired.

    (b) This section shall not apply to any law enforcement officer in the discharge of his duty. (Code 1970, § 15-12) State law references: Similar provisions, G.S. § 53-206(a).
    There's no exception in the law for anyone with a permit to carry. They also have an ordinance stating that anyone with a reasonable belief that they or someone in their family is at risk of attach may apply to the Chief of Police for a permit to carry. That ordinance also doesn't specify concealed, which would make sense, because it's illegal.

    Shall we have an event in New Britain?
    ABSO F ING LUTELY!!!!!!!!:celebrate
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    Westfarms Mall is NOT posted. Just checked.

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    gluegun wrote:
    None that I've heard of yet.

    New Britain, however, does prohibit concealed carry:

    Sec. 16-80. Carrying concealed weapons.
    (a) No person shall wear under his clothes, or conceal upon or about his person any deadly or dangerous weapon including, but not limited to any pistol, dagger, metal knuckles, razor, slingshot, blackjack, sword or canegun. The provisions of this paragraph shall not apply to any person who is found with any such weapon or implement concealed upon his person while lawfully removing his household goods or effects from one place to another, or from one residence to another, nor to any person while actually and peaceably engaged in carrying any such weapon or implement from his place of abode or business to a place or person where or by whom such weapon or implement is to be repaired, or while actually and peaceably returning to his place of abode or business with such weapon or implement after the same has been repaired.

    (b) This section shall not apply to any law enforcement officer in the discharge of his duty. (Code 1970, § 15-12) State law references: Similar provisions, G.S. § 53-206(a).
    There's no exception in the law for anyone with a permit to carry. They also have an ordinance stating that anyone with a reasonable belief that they or someone in their family is at risk of attach may apply to the Chief of Police for a permit to carry. That ordinance also doesn't specify concealed, which would make sense, because it's illegal.

    Shall we have an event in New Britain?
    Does this mean you can't carry a pistol at all in New Britain? If so how is it possible for New Britain to ignore the Connecticut state constitution?
    Or does this ordinance mean you must carry pistol/s open and exposed? I can do it that way if they prefer.

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    The New Britain mayor has been asked how their ordinance reconciles with state law, and he said something to the effect of "I'll look into it." Clearly he didn't care and never looked into it.

    I take it to mean that you MUST open carry in New Britain. Whenever I drive through NB, I make sure to uncover my CCW.

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    gluegun wrote:
    Westfarms Mall is NOT posted. Just checked.
    I live right down the road from WestFarms in New Britain. I've never seen any signage either. Even if it was there, I'd most likely ignore it.

    I've OC'ed inCalifornia Pizza Kitchen, Ruby Tuesday, PF Chang, Brio Tuscan Grill, Rainforest Cafe, the Apple Store, andPizzeria Uno (when it was there). I got a wide-eyed look from a guy in the Apple Store, but nogrief from the mall-cops in theirneat uniforms and state trooper-ish hats. I'm guessing I blended into the background too much.

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    i must commend you guys. i dont have the stones to oc yet. for some reason i just cant get over the fear. i would much rather oc simply because my fat assness limits my cc abilities greatly

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    stacks04 wrote:
    i must commend you guys. i dont have the stones to oc yet. for some reason i just cant get over the fear. i would much rather oc simply because my fat assness limits my cc abilities greatly
    Stacks,

    If I may suggest to you Join CCDL if you haven't already. We are not just some Pro Open Carry group. we are a group of concerned citizens trying to help protect ALL gunowners.

    There is some proposed legislation that WILL make printing an arrestable offense.
    With heavy fines and jail time.
    Once again I must say that this PROPOSED LEGISLATION is in its infancy and has only just been written.

    We are watching it closely and will need to respond when the time is right.

    I understand how CC can be extremely uncomfortable! (Read between the lines "Fat assness" here too!)

    I know that I dont want to go to jail just because my shirt is to tight and my gun is printing!!!

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    Lenny Benedetto wrote:
    stacks04 wrote:
    i must commend you guys. i dont have the stones to oc yet. for some reason i just cant get over the fear. i would much rather oc simply because my fat assness limits my cc abilities greatly
    Stacks,

    If I may suggest to you Join CCDL if you haven't already. We are not just some Pro Open Carry group. we are a group of concerned citizens trying to help protect ALL gunowners.

    There is some proposed legislation that WILL make printing an arrestable offense.
    With heavy fines and jail time.
    Once again I must say that this PROPOSED LEGISLATION is in its infancy and has only just been written.

    We are watching it closely and will need to respond when the time is right.

    I understand how CC can be extremely uncomfortable! (Read between the lines "Fat assness" here too!)

    I know that I dont want to go to jail just because my shirt is to tight and my gun is printing!!!

    http://www.ccdl.us Membership is free...Participation is priceless!

    Carry On!

    Lenny
    understood. i have been here for a few weeks and also signed up at the ccdl last week. i am with you guys on all your concerns hence the reason why i am here. i also read that legislation on the other gents site, mr peruta??? dont remember. it is scary for sure. these shootings as of late dont help matters.

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    Ed Peruta is also a member. He as well as some of our other members, have websites that are full of great info! The more voices that gun owners have out there the faster we can spread messages to everybody.

    Our links page has a section for friends of the CCDL. You might want to subscribe to the ones that have that for following then online.

    Please help spread the word that we are all out here and we are all in this together.
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    Excuse me, but did anyone REALLY read the words on the image that was posted at the beginning of this thread?

    LOOK AGAIN!
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    Do you see the DOUBLE NEGATIVE?

    This means that YOU MUST enter with Firearms and illegal weapons!

    Now, if they had just omitted the word"no" in front of "firearms and illegal weapons" then it would mean what they meant it to say. However, THEY GOOFED!

    Oh, how I LOVE the English language! :celebrate

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    Very Good Douglas....yes it actually says that we must enter with Firearms!!
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    CARRY ON!

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    Douglas in CT wrote:
    Do you see the DOUBLE NEGATIVE?

    This means that YOU MUST enter with Firearms and illegal weapons!

    Now, if they had just omitted the word"no" in front of "firearms and illegal weapons" then it would mean what they meant it to say. However, THEY GOOFED!
    I would like to agree with you, but I don't quite think a court of law would see it that way. I'll still comply with the spirit of the rule, not the letter of the rule.

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