"No Guns" posted malls

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Ed Peruta is also a member. He as well as some of our other members, have websites that are full of great info! The more voices that gun owners have out there the faster we can spread messages to everybody.

Our links page has a section for friends of the CCDL. You might want to subscribe to the ones that have that for following then online.

Please help spread the word that we are all out here and we are all in this together.

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Excuse me, but did anyone REALLY read the words on the image that was posted at the beginning of this thread?

LOOK AGAIN!
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Do you see the DOUBLE NEGATIVE?

This means that YOU MUST enter with Firearms and illegal weapons!

Now, if they had just omitted the word"no" in front of "firearms and illegal weapons" then it would mean what they meant it to say. However, THEY GOOFED!

Oh, how I LOVE the English language! :celebrate

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Very Good Douglas....yes it actually says that we must enter with Firearms!!

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CARRY ON!

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Douglas in CT wrote:

Do you see the DOUBLE NEGATIVE?

This means that YOU MUST enter with Firearms and illegal weapons!

Now, if they had just omitted the word"no" in front of "firearms and illegal weapons" then it would mean what they meant it to say. However, THEY GOOFED!

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I would like to agree with you, but I don't quite think a court of law would see it that way. I'll still comply with the spirit of the rule, not the letter of the rule.

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You know it's Friday the 13th when.............

You get all messed up with pushing these fangled buttons, and by bad luck, you double post.

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[Based on another thread, on FB]

Len, I thought you hated the English Language for these kinds of subtleties. :lol:





All we need is a nice wise ass to OC in that place get charged, then challenge the law on that language. That would be sweet.

[I don't seriously propose that anyone go out of the way to do that. There are more productive things to do in my opinion. But, I do believe it is certainly a legitimate defense.]

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atrule wrote:

[Based on another thread, on FB]

Len, I thought you hated the English Language for these kinds of subtleties. :lol:





All we need is a nice wise ass to OC in that place get charged, then challenge the law on that language. That would be sweet.

[I don't seriously propose that anyone go out of the way to do that. There are more productive things to do in my opinion. But, I do believe it is certainly a legitimate defense.]

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Andrew,

The subtleties that are here are just funny!!
The subtleties you speak of that I hate are when they enter into mathematical word problems. When my math is CORRECT yet I am told that the wording took the question in another direction. :celebrate LMAO!! This banana dude cracks me up!!!!

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Danbury Fair Mall is posted.

Their prohibition extends to "anything that can become a weapon" including "knives with a blade greater than 2 inches" and sticks/batons/canes "greater than 1/4 inch in diameter."

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We noticed last night that Foxwoods is posted as well.

The sign can only be read as you are EXITING the casino area. Nothing on the way in to the facility or in the "Mall area" even though the sign does sate that the entire facility is a gun free zone.

Good thing I never OC there! Always pocket carry there, and never noticed any signs until last night.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there's no statute that makes a "no guns" sign legally enforceable. The worst that could happen is you get trespassed if you refuse to leave when asked. So, really, who cares if they post a sign or not?

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In the case of Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun, they are tribal lands and policed by the tribal police forces. Getting popped with a gun there may not be a whole lot of fun compared to being at CT Post mall and being caught with it.

I don't frequent the casino's unless I'm there on business but I'd think twice or 3 times before carrying on tribal lands.

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Hef wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there's no statute that makes a "no guns" sign legally enforceable. The worst that could happen is you get trespassed if you refuse to leave when asked. So, really, who cares if they post a sign or not?

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Sec 29-28(e)

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/pub/Chap529.htm#Sec29-28.htm

(e) The issuance of any permit to carry a pistol or revolver does not thereby authorize the possession or carrying of a pistol or revolver in any premises where the possession or carrying of a pistol or revolver is otherwise prohibited by law
or is prohibited by the person who owns or exercises control over such premises (ie. posted signs.)


Basically, carrying in a premise posted as "no guns" is illegally carrying a firearm. Your permit is invalid in such a location. You are facing punishment the same as carrying without a permit altogether. You are "Not thereby authorized to possess or carry in that premise" by statute 29-28.

As far as how big of a deal is made out of each and every circumstance that this may or has happened? I cannot say and willnot venture a guess. Your best bet would be to simply avoid such places or situations altogether. Know that the person who has posted such a sign has done so because they feel you are part of their problem.I would recommend not even tempting fateand simply move on to the next establishment.

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GoldCoaster wrote:

In the case of Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun, they are tribal lands and policed by the tribal police forces. Getting popped with a gun there may not be a whole lot of fun compared to being at CT Post mall and being caught with it.

I don't frequent the casino's unless I'm there on business but I'd think twice or 3 times before carrying on tribal lands.

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This is something you should not do. There could possibly be situations with the tribal lands being considered independent nations. I can't even begin to guess what kind of BS might come from getting involved in something like this. It would be wise to research this fully before you step foot into this situation. It could be all kinds of bad.

This is from the Mohegan tribe web site regarding sovereignty:

As a sovereign nation, the Mohegan Tribe independently determines its own fate and governs its own people and affairs. That means we also have the responsibility to provide for our people and to work within our own governmental, legal and cultural systems to preserve our independence.

Over the years, the United States and Connecticut governments have also defined their relationships to the Mohegan Tribal Nation. While these definitions do not change the fundamental independence of the Tribe, they have become part of the provisions that other political entities use as the basis for their interactions with us.

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Looking into this further I find this in the Mohegan Tribal Municipal code:

A CT permit(1) to carry pistols and revolvers is only 1 of 3 requirements to obtain a permit to carry firearms on the Mohegan Tribal Sovergn land from the Mohegan Department of Public Safety. They have to (2)approve your businessreason for wanting a permit and you (3)have to be engaged in such businessin order to carry.They also have their own Judicial system, laws, police force, building codes,and every other governing agency. My advice is: Don't do it.



Sec. 6-121. - Permit Required.



[align=left]No person shall carry any pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun or any other firearm within the boundaries of the Mohegan Indian Reservation for any purpose unless said person has been issued a permit to carry such firearm by the Department of Public Safety. No permit shall be issued unless the individual applying for the permit has:

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A valid, current Connecticut or federal permit to carry such firearm as documented to the Department of Public Safety;

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The individual has a recognized, legitimate business need for such permit approved by the Department of Public Safety; and

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Such permit shall be valid only during such times as the individual is on duty and engaged in said business.
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Sec. 6-122. - Exceptions.


[align=left]The provisions of this Article shall not apply to the carrying of any pistol or revolver, rifle, shotgun or any other firearm by any on duty officer of The Mohegan Tribal Police. The provisions of this Article shall not apply to the carrying of any pistol or revolver, rifle, shotgun or any other firearm by any on-duty peace officer of the State of Connecticut federal marshal or other federal law enforcement agent, but only if such State of Connecticut peace officer, federal marshal or other federal agent is:

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Involved in an active investigation or law enforcement action on the Mohegan Indian Reservation, or

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Authorized by special temporary permit issued by the Department of Public Safety.
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Wow..so does that essentially mean one technically couldn't even leave the pistol in the car parked in the Sun parking garage?

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Anywhere on tribal land would be prohibited. It would be like driving to Canada with your gun (withTribal land being a soverign nation.) I wouldn't try my luck.

Now the problem lies in where are the boundaries to the Tribal land are and knowing when you cross them.

Here is a linkto their Government web site.
http://www.mohegan.nsn.us/Government/departments.aspx

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Is it just me or does anyone else find the idea of sovereignty of these tiny reservations ridiculous? From what I read here its illegal for state or federal officers to carry unless involved in an active investigation?
Do they have their own courts & prison system? Do civil rights exist there?
If they are sovereign then how is it CT collects tax on the casinos?

I'm not actually looking for answers as much as shaking my head in amusement of it all.
Its generally accepted that a sovereign nation cannot exist entirely within the boundaries of another sovereign nation I'v always thought.

I certainly have sympathy to the way the native Americans were treated in the past but this seems ridiculous. IMO if they refuse to respect the civil rights of Connecticut citizens then CT ought not permit them to run casinos to milk those citizens. A truly sovereign nation should be pretty much self supporting.

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I guess it's some sort of acknowlegement that they got their own rights trampled on a couple of hundred years ago.

Personally I don't care that the Indians have their own tribal council, laws, casinos. It's small recompense for having their entire land overrun I guess. I'm not a gambler so they aren't gaining any money from me.

The arrangement with the State of CT was they get X millions from the casinos in return for CT not allowing any other avenue for slot machines. More of a way to make CT keep them (both casino's) from having any competition in their main money making games.

It may be silly but it's the way things are. It's the same as if you tried to break into a foreign embassy in NYC or somewhere. Those properties are considered sovereign soil of the countries they serve.

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BTW here are the boundaries for the Mohegan Tribal nation.

http://www2.census.gov/geo/www/bas/aia/r2320_mohegan/BAS10R49901552320_001.pdf

Yes they do have their own judicial system and their own Constitution. They even have their own Attorney General. They make their own laws. They even have their own motor vehicle code. Every vehicle parked on Tribal land must have the parking brake on!

They can do what they want, and you know what? Good for them. Wish I could be my own sovergn nation.If you choose to visit, just be aware you are not in Kansas anymore...