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    I've been OC everywhere for sometime now, just got used to doing it the days i work at my store and go shooting (which is most days). Been all around Summerlin and most of the valley, in and out of banks/grocery stores/gas stations/target/walmart/etc and never had any problems. Here is what happened to me in the last two days. Long read,

    I took a friend to get his belongs from the car he is abandoning (a whole other story) at XXX towing in NLV. We park and I stand back while he approaches the window. He does his paperwork and they escort him into the office to walk him to the yard. The women at the window asks the next guys in line what they need and then looks and me and points "Especially you, what do you need, why are you here". Explained i drove the guy who just went in. She went on to help the other gentlemen while i stood out of the way and waiting for my friend. Next thing i know a guy (kid really) comes out and gets just shy of my "fight zone" and asks if i'm with the police. I nicely explain i am not and that i had drivven a friend who was in the yard getting his belongings. "OK well so you know the cops are on there way". to which i reply "Ok". Having not been asked to leave i wasn't going to make it look like i was fleeing the location just to be felony stopped.

    He goes back inside and all you hear are these women who think they have power cause they run a tow yard window yelling at the poor guy about how they aren't comfortable with me being there with a gun blah blah. Few minutes later he comes out and says "i called the cops" "ok" they said i should ask you to leave cause your scaring the girls". (Applause to NLVPD!!!!) Not a problem i'll leave. Can i either wait till my friend finishing getting his property or can i come back when he is done?" "Sure when he is done i'll come back out while you load his stuff". I drive to the street and park and call NLVPD to inform them that if they are on there way that i am legally carrying a firearm and was not fleeing the location but parked on the street as requested. "We have no call at that location".

    Few minutes later my buddy calls and says the guy is standing with him and i can come back to pick him up. We load my buddies stuff and I apologize to the guy for "scaring the girls". Got into a discussion about NLVPD deadly weapons law and preemption. Then discussed his wanting to get his CCW and buy a gun for his house. Gave him my business card and he came into the store the today.

    Final score:
    Bi*c*es on a power trip bad. Manager OK. NLVPD good.


    Then today i am headed home from my store midday and am on the 215 West after the 95 where it's 45 for no reason and a NHP is in the #1 travel lane eastbound with cars in front and beside him. We pass and i see his lights come on and he hangs a U turn on the 215 almost causing an accident and pulls in behind me. I pull over, turn the car off, and put down my passanger window and the rear passanger window so he can see my 4 year old daughter and by then he was at my window (those NHP guys are fast)

    NHP: "Nevada Highway Patrol License and registration"
    Me: "Yes sir but i need to let you know i am carrying a firearms before i reach for them."
    NHP: "Ok where is it?"
    Me: "My right hip"
    NHP: (clearly nervous having looked and seen my Sig 229 OC) "Do you have a CCW?"
    Me: "Yes sir"
    NHP: "Let me see it"
    Me: "sir it is in my wallet along with my drivers license"
    NHP: "Well where is your wallet"
    Me: "In my right rear pocket behind the gun"
    NHP: "Well pull your shirt over your gun"
    Me: "Sir i can't do that with my seat belt on"
    NHP: "Well can you .... with your.... take out your wallet with your left hand slowly and keep your right hand on the steering wheel"
    Me: "yes sir" I try with no luck. "Sir i tried but i can not get my wallet out with my left hand"
    NHP: steps back and puts his hand on his gun "ok with your right hand SLOWLY reach for your wallet SLOWLY.
    Me: "yes sir" I rotate my hips so the gun is up in the air so he can see everything and clearly see my hand is going for my wallet and not the gun. Finally i get my wallet without getting shot and hand him my DL, CCW, reg and insurance.

    There were a couple of questions about why i was carrying a gun like that which i did not answer cause he cut himself off with his next attempt at instructions of how to get my wallet out.

    I watch as he goes back to his cruiser and writes me a ticket and i notice there is another officer in the car he then gets out alone and approaches my window all stealth and tactical like.

    NHP: Sir you were going 70 in a 45 but i did you a big favor and wrote you for 55 in a 45 and saved you $390" blah blah sign here blah blah insert lecture about speeding with children in the car. Have a nice day.

    Glad i made it thru that without getting shot, he must have been training with the other officer or something cause he could barely make a sentence after i told him about my gun.

    Yes i was speeding but certainly not 70, I know cause i looked as soon as his light came on. How can a NHP going in the opposite direction in the far lane surrounded by cars nail me with radar going the opposite direction?

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    I think the radar gets you like that because of Doppler.



    Now I am not sure to this point but I dont think you had to give him your CCW either.

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    I know i did not need to give him my ccw or cooperate as much as i did, however after his inability to even complete a sentence and after he found it necessary to unsnap his gun and place his hand on it after i volunteered the information and in front of my daughter i thought it best to just give him the CCW. I plan to write a letter to NHP about what happened and how the officer escalated the situation without cause and to suggest they train there officers on open carry laws.

    Had i been alone and he handled the situation better i would have given him my drivers license and thats it. I wasn't going to risk getting shot, arrested, proned out or kept on the side of the road for hours with my daughter present.

    My rights are my rights but my daughter is my daughter.

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    Well, it is a possibility that we are making small improvements, your firearm was not taken off your person, unloaded, registration ran, and locked in your trunk for your ride home. As has been the case. if you don't mindI would like a PM with the troopers name and # so I can let there office of proffesional responsibility be aware that I appreciate this change for the better and encourage more.

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    Vegassteve wrote:
    I think the radar gets you like that because of Doppler.



    Now I am not sure to this point but I dont think you had to give him your CCW either.
    NRS 202.367, together with proper identification whenever the permittee is in actual possession of a concealed firearm. Both the permit and proper identification must be presented if requested by a peace officer





    I make the choice to inform law enforcement that I am armed. By doing so, I believe we all expose ourselves to the above law.

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    I agree jeff, but what if he was not cc holder? Or in this case he wasn't ccw? I guess that is where I was going.

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    jfrey123 wrote:
    Vegassteve wrote:
    I think the radar gets you like that because of Doppler.



    Now I am not sure to this point but I dont think you had to give him your CCW either.
    NRS 202.367, together with proper identification whenever the permittee is in actual possession of a concealed firearm. Both the permit and proper identification must be presented if requested by a peace officer





    I make the choice to inform law enforcement that I am armed. By doing so, I believe we all expose ourselves to the above law.
    It's the red portion above that is the reason he was not required to hand over the CCW. I like his decision though, it was already looking bad, just get out of it alive and complain later.

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    I agree Tim I think he did the right thing. The officer was a dick. The one time in the last ten years I have been pulled over I informed right away. My gun was not taken but a blue card was asked for.

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    story 1- stupid girls....glad you kept your cool. I have a hard time not explaining to people how stupid they are when I'mput in situations like that (carrying...andnon gun related stupidnessalike)

    story 2 - The NHP didn't sound like a dick to me...he didn't draw on you, make you exit your vehicle or anything. Sounds like he did a great job actually, except asking for the CCW which wasn't needed. Him figuring out a way for you to get your wallet while he's at ease...that's what we need more of. The whole - get out, gimme your gun, unload it, hide it and separate it from ammo...that we've all seen on other people's bad experiences...none of that was done. So I'd suggest giving some kudos to that officer, if you do any followup.



    Anyone ever fought a speeding ticket by stating they weren't shown the radar gun readout? I dunno if it was on TV once...or something a friend said...but anyone ever been shown their speed before? Was that ever done at one time?

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