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Switzerland outlaws ammo in homes.

Venator

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http://concealed.wordpress.com/2007/10/27/switzerland-strips-all-citizens-of-gun-rights/ another good story below this one at the above site.


Switzerland Strips Citizens of GunRights.
Posted in Politically Speaking, Uncategorized tagged Gun Rights at 4:04 am by fastmetal

Despite the vehement protests from many of Switzerland’s cantons (states), the lower chamber of the nation’s Federal Assembly voted to strip its citizens of gun rights, not by registering or confiscating firearms, but by outlawing the storing of ammunition in the homes of the citizens.

According to The Liberty Zone, the move was led by Switzerland’s small but vocal–and powerful–Socialist minority. And apparently it was a leading women’s magazine who aided the Socialists in the cause.

Having failed at attempts to take the guns themselves from homes and store them in government facilities, the new law takes aim at ammo rather than the guns. The Swiss are still allowed to possess firearms; they simply will not be allowed to possess the ammunition to use them.

This is the backdoor method of disarming citizens, and it is very effective.

The ban also applies to the male citizens who make up Switzerland’s time-honored citizens’ militia. Even they will be required to keep their ammo at approved government facilities.

The fact that a Leftist minority group was able to convince a majority of representatives in the Swiss Federal Assembly to approve the measure is considered a major victory for Socialism and the push to strip individual citizens of the right to keep and bear arms.

In a stunning example of what Leftists can do when citizens are not paying attention, the Socialist ban on ammunition in the homes of the Swiss people should be a stark lesson for U.S. citizens who wish to preserve the right to keep and bear arms. Anti-gun groups do not have to register or confiscate firearms to win the battle.

Rather, the growing modus operandi of the gun control movement is to render a Constitutional right null, void, and useless by implementing legislation aimed at things such as ammunition rather than the actual guns themselves.

Within the U.S. the anti-gun movement does not even have to introduce legislation. A mere executive order by an Administration in the 1990s has been all it takes for a massive assault to ensue on gun shops, gun manufacturers, and other facets of the gun industry, to begin to gradually rob the citizens of their rights to keep and bear arms. This is presently being accomplished by a rogue arm of the Department of Justice–the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives–which has succeeded in shutting down 80% of the gun stores, and gun and ammo manufacturers, within the U.S.

The prevailing wisdom, similar to what we find in Switzerland, is to attack gun ownership by focusing on various facets of the gun and ammo industry rather than to directly attack the citizens’ guns. This effectively renders useless any supposed right to own, possess, and use a firearm without addressing the firearms themselves at all–a perfect example of disarming the citizens using the backdoor method.

Switzerland has been the last bastion of real gun rights in Europe. Now even the Swiss have fallen to the sly and seductive ways of the Socialist anti-gun movement.
 

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Switzerland hasn't been a "last bastion" of anything to do with gun rights for a long time. Get your story straight, folks.

Why people desperately look for confirmation in the statist practices of other countries has long been beyond me.
 

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O.K., last I had heard, they were going to pass a law ending the practice of issuing military ammo to individuals to be stored at home with their issued weapon. I have heard nothing about restrictions on privately purchased ammo. Did I miss something, or are mountains growing out of mole-hills?

Edit: I can't get to O.P. link from duty computer...
 

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Some people make me sick. Good thing I have plenty of ammo stocked up, although I could use more.
 

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I used to have ammo but that tragic boat accident that claimed my guns got the ammo too. :p

Yata hey
 

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marshaul wrote:
Switzerland hasn't been a "last bastion" of anything to do with gun rights for a long time. Get your story straight, folks.

Why people desperately look for confirmation in the statist practices of other countries has long been beyond me.

+1

Switzerland does not recognize the right of the individual to leep and bear arms.

They "authorize" or "command" individuals to bear arms for the utility of the state. And the government believes it has the authority to revoke the bearing of arms if it suits their purpose.

Whenever I hear somebody tell me they think our own government "should provide us all with an M1 or and M14" they always say it as if they are pro-gun. But it's really just socialism for gun-owners, and socialism hurts more than it helps in the long run.
 

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Reminds me of the old adage questioning the difference between socialism and communism.

In socialism, the govt. doesn't have all of the guns....................yet.

Yata hey
 

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Grapeshot wrote:
Reminds me of the old adage questioning the difference between socialism and communism.

In socialism, the govt. doesn't have all of the guns....................yet.
No, they have all the ammo, though, apparently.
 

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Tomahawk wrote:
Whenever I hear somebody tell me they think our own government "should provide us all with an M1 or and M14" they always say it as if they are pro-gun. But it's really just socialism for gun-owners, and socialism hurts more than it helps in the long run.

As I recall, back in the 1700's, with the militia system, adult men were expected to be participate in their local militias, and bring their own guns and ammo. But the guns and ammo would be provided by the local militia if a participant couldn't afford to provide his own.

It seems to me that it makes sense on a local level. If 10 guys want to get together and buy a guy a homeland defenserifle when he turns 18, that seems excellent. But a federally socialized system to give people guns, I can see your point. Maybe not a very good idea. :?
 

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Were the same ammo confiscation to occur here in the US, I would bequite happyto give the government more ammunition than it could comfortably enjoy.
 

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Citizen wrote:
Were the same ammo confiscation to occur here in the US, I would bequite happyto give the government more ammunition than it could comfortably enjoy.
Paraphrasing Col. Cooper - a worthy source. :)

Yata hey
 

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Follow-up that OP with some factual information. This went rounds already. Seems the OP story is possibly a bit "embellished."

http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=22801


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

To paraphrase a little, the 2007 law simply stopped the practice of the militia members from storing ARMY ammunition at home. They didn't outlaw ammunition. I call FUD.

Parliament has approved a proposal to ban the long-standing Swiss tradition of keeping army ammunition at home.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/front/Soldiers_can_keep_guns_at_home_but_not_ammo.html?siteSect=105&sid=8258328&cKey=1244028432000&ty=st&rs=yes
It wasn't an ammunition ban.
 

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PavePusher wrote:
O.K., last I had heard, they were going to pass a law ending the practice of issuing military ammo to individuals to be stored at home with their issued weapon. I have heard nothing about restrictions on privately purchased ammo. Did I miss something, or are mountains growing out of mole-hills?

Edit: I can't get to O.P. link from duty computer...
O.K., I was correct. Military ammo is no longer issued to individuals to be stored at home, but you may still buy and use commercial ammo as before. In other words, another feel-good,do-nothing law passed by politicians who like their cushy jobs. Seems the Swiss have more in common with us than I thought... poor bastards.
 
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