sudden valley gunner
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There was so much more information I could have brought out. Like the majority of child fatalities or done by mothers. I even made a excel spread sheet from the CDC info that came in handy for statistics. I want to make a line graph comparing it to Death by abuse or neglect, but not that proficient in those programs.
Any way here is what I sent in:
Forget Gun Control We Need Parent Control
Many organizations for gun control use statistics on children related gun deaths to try and further their cause, being a supporter of our second amendment rights I wanted to know more so I started researching.There are awide variety of numbers you find from the anti-gun crowd to the pro-gun crowd. At the same time I was looking into these statistics I heard some reports of child abuseon the news and as it often happens when on the world wide web I was side tracked and started looking into those statistics.
Some figures I could find was on the pediatrics page of about.com, it talked about how well over 2,000 children a day are abused and 4 children a day on average die from child abuse, in the year 2002 approximately 1,400 children.
I was saddened but curious to how this would relate to my original search on gun related deaths for children. This took me to the CDC.gov website (centers for disease control and prevention) 125 accidental firearm related deaths in 2006, 1,623 homicides, 535 suicides, a total of 2,283. I was appalled, even taking out suicides the number was higher. I realized my search needed adjusting I included legal adults otherwise known as 18 year olds. The statistics changed, 105 for unintentional, 1,076 Homicides, 371 for suicides, a total of 1552.A huge percentage drop of 32% for one year, but how does this compare to those deaths caused by abuse?
The data in the previous paragraph was for the year 2006. I decided to research on the CDC site for comparative statistics. I couldn’t use their chart system because it doesn’t specify death by abuse, but the website had some unsettling details. For the same year as the above statistics there were approximately, 1,530 compared to 1,760 deaths by abuse in 2007. So kids dying from abuse were on the rise, also firearm related deaths and those caused by neglect or abuse were fairly even. What disturbed me were the age brackets of deaths caused by abuse, here is the pasted statistics directly from their site.
More than 40 percent (42.2%) of all fatalities were children younger than 1 year, 16.5 percent were children age 1 year, 10.7 percent were children age 2 years and 6.3 percent were children age 3 years. Therefore, 75.7 percent were younger than 4 years old. Nearly 13 percent (12.9%) were between the ages of 4 and 7 years, thus indicating that the majority of children who die from child abuse or neglect are young children
88.6% or 1,355.58 killed by abuse or neglect are the age of seven or younger. They also stated that 5% of deaths from 8-11, and 5% of the age group 12-15, leaving 2% (almost) of the 16 and 17 year olds. A total of 93.6 % of the deaths (1432) under the age of 12 were killed by abuse or neglect while less than 10% (176) were killed by firearms. Here is another statistic pasted directly from there site.
Nearly 70 percent (69.9%) of child fatalities were caused by one or more parents.[suP]5[/suP] More than one-quarter (27.1%) of fatalities were perpetrated by the mother acting alone.[suP]6[/suP] Child fatalities with unknown perpetrators accounted for 16.4 percent.
I take the unknown perpetrator part with a grain of salt, even though, lets break this down; for 2006 949 children under the age of seven were killed by neglect or abuse from their own parents (70% of fatalities from parental neglect). For the same age group there are 24 accidental firearm deaths, 78 murders (probably by their own parents would be my guess) and no suicides. For a total of 102, that means that parents are more than 900% percent dangerous to their children than firearms. The number changes drastically if parents in these statistics killed their own children with a firearm. This doesn’t include those who lost there lives due to other family members or loved ones. Remember it’s only 16.4 percent from unknown perpetrators.
When politicians and anti-gun folk try to institute gun bans in certain areas or just in general “for our kids’ safety” they are doing so not with logic and reason but because of emotion and propaganda. Should we ban parents from our parks and public places they are more dangerous than firearms? Huh, Mayor Nickels?
My closing thoughts are that most of the children related fire arm deaths we hear about in this country are not what they appear to be, first off some kids around 12-13 start joining gangs or associating with gangs and are killing themselves so statistics start being skewed. Also kids 14-17 are having sex/babies, driving, drinking, indulging in drugs and other “adult” activities and are not acting as the children that come to mind when so called experts bring up children related statistics. Something that the propagandists never like to mention is that the majority of those who die with firearms even in the teenage years have criminal records. Lets forget licensing guns and start licensing who can have children; after all it would be for our “kid’s safety”.
Robert M. Stratton
There was so much more information I could have brought out. Like the majority of child fatalities or done by mothers. I even made a excel spread sheet from the CDC info that came in handy for statistics. I want to make a line graph comparing it to Death by abuse or neglect, but not that proficient in those programs.
Any way here is what I sent in:
Forget Gun Control We Need Parent Control
Many organizations for gun control use statistics on children related gun deaths to try and further their cause, being a supporter of our second amendment rights I wanted to know more so I started researching.There are awide variety of numbers you find from the anti-gun crowd to the pro-gun crowd. At the same time I was looking into these statistics I heard some reports of child abuseon the news and as it often happens when on the world wide web I was side tracked and started looking into those statistics.
Some figures I could find was on the pediatrics page of about.com, it talked about how well over 2,000 children a day are abused and 4 children a day on average die from child abuse, in the year 2002 approximately 1,400 children.
I was saddened but curious to how this would relate to my original search on gun related deaths for children. This took me to the CDC.gov website (centers for disease control and prevention) 125 accidental firearm related deaths in 2006, 1,623 homicides, 535 suicides, a total of 2,283. I was appalled, even taking out suicides the number was higher. I realized my search needed adjusting I included legal adults otherwise known as 18 year olds. The statistics changed, 105 for unintentional, 1,076 Homicides, 371 for suicides, a total of 1552.A huge percentage drop of 32% for one year, but how does this compare to those deaths caused by abuse?
The data in the previous paragraph was for the year 2006. I decided to research on the CDC site for comparative statistics. I couldn’t use their chart system because it doesn’t specify death by abuse, but the website had some unsettling details. For the same year as the above statistics there were approximately, 1,530 compared to 1,760 deaths by abuse in 2007. So kids dying from abuse were on the rise, also firearm related deaths and those caused by neglect or abuse were fairly even. What disturbed me were the age brackets of deaths caused by abuse, here is the pasted statistics directly from their site.
More than 40 percent (42.2%) of all fatalities were children younger than 1 year, 16.5 percent were children age 1 year, 10.7 percent were children age 2 years and 6.3 percent were children age 3 years. Therefore, 75.7 percent were younger than 4 years old. Nearly 13 percent (12.9%) were between the ages of 4 and 7 years, thus indicating that the majority of children who die from child abuse or neglect are young children
88.6% or 1,355.58 killed by abuse or neglect are the age of seven or younger. They also stated that 5% of deaths from 8-11, and 5% of the age group 12-15, leaving 2% (almost) of the 16 and 17 year olds. A total of 93.6 % of the deaths (1432) under the age of 12 were killed by abuse or neglect while less than 10% (176) were killed by firearms. Here is another statistic pasted directly from there site.
Nearly 70 percent (69.9%) of child fatalities were caused by one or more parents.[suP]5[/suP] More than one-quarter (27.1%) of fatalities were perpetrated by the mother acting alone.[suP]6[/suP] Child fatalities with unknown perpetrators accounted for 16.4 percent.
I take the unknown perpetrator part with a grain of salt, even though, lets break this down; for 2006 949 children under the age of seven were killed by neglect or abuse from their own parents (70% of fatalities from parental neglect). For the same age group there are 24 accidental firearm deaths, 78 murders (probably by their own parents would be my guess) and no suicides. For a total of 102, that means that parents are more than 900% percent dangerous to their children than firearms. The number changes drastically if parents in these statistics killed their own children with a firearm. This doesn’t include those who lost there lives due to other family members or loved ones. Remember it’s only 16.4 percent from unknown perpetrators.
When politicians and anti-gun folk try to institute gun bans in certain areas or just in general “for our kids’ safety” they are doing so not with logic and reason but because of emotion and propaganda. Should we ban parents from our parks and public places they are more dangerous than firearms? Huh, Mayor Nickels?
My closing thoughts are that most of the children related fire arm deaths we hear about in this country are not what they appear to be, first off some kids around 12-13 start joining gangs or associating with gangs and are killing themselves so statistics start being skewed. Also kids 14-17 are having sex/babies, driving, drinking, indulging in drugs and other “adult” activities and are not acting as the children that come to mind when so called experts bring up children related statistics. Something that the propagandists never like to mention is that the majority of those who die with firearms even in the teenage years have criminal records. Lets forget licensing guns and start licensing who can have children; after all it would be for our “kid’s safety”.
Robert M. Stratton
