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    This has to be one of the craziest political news stories in years... Look for the mainstream media and especially the White House to do their best to ignore and downplay this huge story...

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/ny...01upstate.html

    Upstate Republican Abruptly Suspends Race for Congress
    By JEREMY W. PETERS and ADAM NAGOURNEY

    A moderate Republican whose candidacy for an upstate New York Congressional seat had set off a storm of national conservative opposition, abruptly withdrew on Saturday, emboldening the right at a time when the Republican Party is enmeshed in a debate over how to rebuild itself.

    The candidate, Dede Scozzafava, said she was suspending her campaign in the face of collapsing support and evidence that she was heading for a loss in a three-way race on Tuesday involving Douglas L. Hoffman, running on the Conservative Party line, and Bill Owens, a Democrat.

    Ms. Scozzafava had been under siege from conservative leaders because she supported gay rights and abortion rights and was considered too liberal on various fiscal issues.

    The Republican National Committee, which had strongly backed Ms. Scozzafava’s candidacy, issued a statement applauding her decision and announcing it was now supporting Mr. Hoffman.

    “Effective immediately, the R.N.C. will endorse and support the Conservative candidate in the race, Doug Hoffman,” the party’s national chairman, Michael Steele, said. “Doug’s campaign will receive the financial backing of the R.N.C. and get-out-the-vote efforts to defeat Bill Owens on Tuesday.”

    Yet other prominent Republicans expressed concern that Ms. Scozzafava’s decision seemed likely to encourage conservatives going into next year’s midterm elections, raising the prospect of more primaries against Republican candidates that they deem too moderate. Party leaders — including Mr. Steele and Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker — had argued that local parties should be permitted to pick candidates that most closely mirror the sentiments of the district, even if those candidates vary from Republican orthodoxy on some issues.

    “This makes life more complicated from the standpoint of this: If we get into a cycle where every time one side loses, they run a third-party candidate, we’ll make Pelosi speaker for life and guarantee Obama’s re-election,” said Mr. Gingrich, who had endorsed Ms. Scozzafava.

    “I felt very deeply that when you have all 11 county chairman voting for someone, that it wasn’t appropriate for me to come in and render my judgment,” he said. “I think we are going to get into a very difficult environment around the country if suddenly conservative leaders decide they are going to anoint people without regard to local primaries and local choices.”

    Ms. Scozzafava, a state assemblywoman and former small-town mayor, was nominated this summer by Republican county leaders who quickly found their choice second-guessed by the party’s conservative wing. Many officials in the district, a vast expanse from the Vermont border through the Adirondacks to Lake Ontario, were deeply resentful of the outside involvement.

    “They’re trying to bang 435 elections across the United States into the same mold,” said James Ellis, chairman of the Franklin County Republican Party. “It’s a detriment to democracy.”

    Ms. Scozzafava’s withdrawal leaves a clear two-way race between Mr. Hoffman and Mr. Owens, a Plattsburgh lawyer. As such, the contest on Tuesday could offer a test of the debate that Republican leaders are having: whether it needs to adjust itself ideologically to expand its appeal to places like New York.

    Mr. Hoffman, though running as a Conservative, had been endorsed by some Republican luminaries, including Sarah Palin, the party’s 2008 vice presidential nominee, and Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota, a likely candidate for president in 2012. The swell of opposition to Ms. Scozzafava was reflected on conservative radio talk shows and in a heavy diet of television advertising supporting Mr. Hoffman that was financed by conservative groups.

    Ms. Scozzafava did not say whom, if anyone, she would endorse. Polls in the district showed that Mr. Owens and Mr. Hoffman were each drawing about 35 percent of the vote; several Republicans said that at least in theory, her withdrawal should help Mr. Hoffman as Republican voters join his campaign.

    The district has been solidly Republican since the 19th century and had been represented by Representative John M. McHugh, who stepped down after Mr. Obama named him secretary of the Army.

    “In recent days, polls have indicated that my chances of winning this election are not as strong as we would like them to be,” Ms. Scozzafava said in a statement. “The reality that I’ve come to accept is that in today’s political arena, you must be able to back up your message with money — and as I’ve been outspent on both sides, I’ve been unable to effectively address many of the charges that have been made about my record.”

    The decision by Ms. Scozzafava to suspend her campaign is a clear victory for conservatives in the party at a time when there has been a pitched battle among party leaders over whether Republicans needed to change their ideological appeal as part of an effort to recover from the losses of 2006 and 2008.

    Ms. Scozzafava fit the model of candidate advocated by Republican leaders like Mr. Steele and Senator John Cornyn of Texas: one whose views might not be in keeping with much of the national party, but are more reflective of the district that is sought.

    A primary is unfolding in Florida, where Gov. Charlie Crist, who is running for the Senate, is facing a challenge from a conservative, Marco Rubio, the former Florida House speaker. Mr. Crist has come under fire from conservatives for, among other things, supporting Mr. Obama on his economic stimulus package.

    Republican officials said that Ms. Scozzafava decided to drop out after reviewing private and public polls that convinced her that she was going to come in third place.

    One Republican who had spoken to Ms. Scozzafava about her decision said she was concerned that her candidacy was too divisive for the party and that the decision was hers alone.

    “She didn’t want to be labeled as a spoiler,” said the person said, who requested anonymity because private conversations were involved.

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    Another from the Washington Post.

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...103101287.html

    N.Y. special election has broad political significance

    By Dan Balz
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:26 PM

    Significant battles sometimes take place in obscure places. Until the last month, New York's 23rd district was known mostly for its cold climate, its history of electing Republicans to the House and its relatively moderate politics.

    The GOP has held the district for more than a century. As a result of a surprise announcement on Saturday, Republicans are likely to continue to hold it for the time being. But the developments that put Republicans back in a stronger position to win a special House election on Tuesday will reverberate unpredictably far beyond the boundaries of the 23rd district.

    By the time this fight is over, several questions will be front and center heading into the 2010 midterm elections. One is who really controls the Republican Party? Another is whether grassroots anger is now the driving force in politics. A third is whether all this is a wise and winning strategy for Republicans or a great gamble by what has been a beleaguered party.

    When President Obama nominated former New York representative John McHugh to be his Army secretary, he created a vacancy in McHugh's upstate district that quickly became the scene of a civil war within the Republican Party.

    Republicans have held the district, or portions of it, for more than a century. McHugh first won his seat in 1992. He was a moderate Republican, a vanishing species within the party but a politician well suited to the views of his constituents. His district, like many in the Northeast, has been moving toward the Democrats. The Democrats now control 26 of New York's 29 House seats. Last year, Obama carried McHugh's 23rd district over John McCain by five percentage points.

    The local Republican leadership tapped state assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava to run in the special election. She seemed to them a good fit for the moderate district. On social issues in particular, however, she was out of step with national Republicans, supporting both abortion rights and gay marriage. Nonetheless, she enjoyed the backing of the National Republican Congressional Committee, the Republican National Committee, House leaders and, among others, former speaker Newt Gingrich.

    Conservatives rebelled. To grassroots activists and some prominent GOP officials, Scozzafava's brand of moderate politics was an offense to the party's principles, a bridge too far at a time when Republicans are engaged in a serious debate about how to recover from two devastating election defeats. Quickly they began to coalesce around Doug Hoffman, who was running as the Conservative Party candidate.

    Tea Party activists took up the cause for Hoffman. Activists from far away camped out in the district and began organizing for Hoffman. Prominent conservative radio talk show host backed him, as did a host of grassroots-oriented conservative organizations.

    Then there was Sarah Palin. In her first significant move since resigning as governor of Alaska, Palin announced her support for Hoffman, deepening the split between the party leaders and the grassroots. Palin's endorsement prompted others to back Hoffman over the GOP nominee. Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who is eyeing a 2012 presidential race and knows the energy and power of the party's conservative base, also backed Hoffman.

    Scozzafava held a narrow lead over Democrat Bill Owens when all this started. Hoffman's growing support gave rise to fears among Republicans that he would so divide the Republican vote that Democrats might steal the seat. Then, as more and more attention focused on the race and more conservatives jumped aboard Hoffman's campaign, Scozzafava rapidly began to fade.

    By Saturday morning, the race was between Owens and Hoffman. By Saturday afternoon, Hoffman was rated the favorite. In between, Scozzafava announced she was suspending her campaign, Republican Party leaders quickly endorsed Hoffman and the party committees began to throw their remaining resources behind a candidate they had been trying to undermine for weeks.

    "Palin was catalyst -- -her endorsement turned the tide and gave everyone else permission to do the right thing," one conservative Republican strategist said Saturday. "If Hoffman pulls it off, it will be a case study in [political science] graduate seminars for years to come on how the grassroots rebelled against the party bosses and won."

    This was a classic case of the grassroots overrunning the leadership of the party and it carries implications for the battles that will play out next year and beyond. As the Hoffman campaign gathered momentum, prominent supporters of Scozzafava decried litmus test politics, arguing that for Republicans to become a national party again they must back candidates with disparate views on issues.

    They lost this round, as activists drove home the message that candidates can stray only so far from conservative doctrine. The success of the activists in the upstate New York district is likely to prompt more conservative challenges to candidates deemed not conservative enough.

    It's been clear that the forces outside of Washington and out of the control of the party leadership are having a sizeable impact on the Republican Party and on the country's politics. Party leaders like the enthusiasm and the activism that they see behind these groups -- the first real energy within the conservative coalition in at least four years -- and want to do everything to take advantage of it. But as the battle in the 23rd district reminded them, they are being pulled along.

    The benefit is that Republicans now have a more energized electorate than the Democrats. As the saying goes, satisfied people don't vote in midterm elections, dissatisfied voters do. But the risk is that a Republican Party that is at record lows in terms of identification will be pulled even farther to the right in ways that will limit its appeal to the center of the electorate.

    Gingrich, who joined others to support Hoffman Saturday, said candidates running in 2010 and 2012 will have to take notice of what happened. "I don't think you can afford to be dictated to by the hard right because then you can't get to the center," he said. "But you have to recognize that there is a vast conservative movement in this country, it is very well organized and you have to respect its size and strength and recognize that it's a key engine of your success."

    The related factor is the politics of anger that seems to be a force right now. It takes a variety of forms: anger at Wall Street, anger at the banks, anger at Washington for bailing out the big boys, anger at the Obama administration for what is seen as a big government agenda, anger at political leaders of both parties for being in cahoots with the powerful against struggling families.

    A veteran Republican strategist and a veteran Democratic strategist independently voiced their belief recently that anger is the most significant force in politics today and a potential threat to incumbents of both parties next year. "I have never seen it like this," the Republican strategist said recently. "It is a breakdown of trust."

    The anger that welled up during town hall meetings in the summer was aimed primarily at Obama's health care initiative, but many of those voices also expressed frustration with politicians of both parties.

    In New Jersey, dissatisfaction with Democratic Gov. Jon Corzine and his Republican challenger, Chris Christie, has given a boost to independent Chris Daggett, who has criticized both major party candidates. Daggett's candidacy is a potentially decisive factor in that race.

    What just happened in New York's 23rd district was an expression of anger at the Republican leadership, local and national. In the short term, Scozzafava's decision to suspend her campaign gives a boost to GOP hopes of holding the seat. In the longer term, the outcome of the GOP civil war there suggests that, for now, the grassroots holds the upper hand.

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    Is there a pro gun vote in this race?

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    The Donkey wrote:
    Is there a pro gun vote in this race?
    Apparently yes, and now that the RINO has dropped out, he will likely win.

    http://www.goapvf.org/hoffman.htm
    GOA-PVF Supports Doug Hoffman in New York Special Election

    October 27, 2009

    Dear Friend of the Second Amendment,

    You may have heard about a special Congressional election taking place next week in upstate New York. The race features a Nancy Pelosi Democrat and a Republican with long-standing ties to ACORN against a genuine pro-gun leader named Doug Hoffman.

    Gun Owners of America Political Victory Fund is proud to endorse Doug Hoffman in this race.

    Doug Hoffman is a 100% gun rights supporter who will be a leader in the battle to defend the Second Amendment.

    Mr. Hoffman believes that laws restricting your right to keep and bear arms is no way to fight crime.

    As the next Congressman from New York, Doug Hoffman will fight hard against the gun control schemes coming out of Nancy Pelosi’s office and he will work to repeal unconstitutional gun laws on the books.

    One of Doug Hoffman’s opponents, Bill Owens, will be just another YES vote for radical anti-gun House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. He refuses to let voters know where he stands on specific gun control issues, which enables him to play it both ways on the Second Amendment.

    Politicians like this are slowly destroying our right to keep and bear arms.

    Mr. Hoffman’s other opponent, Dede Scozzafava, voted in 1999 for the kind of “study” of gun “safety” that is so often used by the gun prohibitionists as a backdoor to greater and more intrusive regulation. Attacking gun owners’ rights under the cover of “safety” is a favorite tactic of the anti-Second Amendment crowd and she voted for it.

    She also voted in 1999 to stick gun owners with a burdensome reporting requirement when a gun is stolen. Under that law, the victim of a gun theft can be criminally prosecuted if the theft is not reported quickly enough to suit the authorities. This type of law turns the victim into a criminal.

    These are not the votes of a 100% defender of the Second Amendment.

    In addition, this candidate has close ties to the radical anti-gun group ACORN. The current leader of ACORN, Bertha Lewis, also co-founded New York’s Working Families Party—a party that supported Scozzafava in past elections.

    The right choice for gun owners in this election is clearly Doug Hoffman.

    One recent poll shows Mr. Hoffman with a slight lead in the three-way race, but the election is all about voter turnout. In the last few days of the campaign Doug needs our financial help to reach out to as many pro-Second Amendment voters as possible.

    Your contribution of $25, $50, $100, or more at http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com will help Doug Hoffman stay on the air, speaking directly to voters.

    Your support of Doug Hoffman will send a strong message to Congressional leaders of both parties in Washington—a message that says NO to Nancy Pelosi’s gun control agenda and NO to more business-as-usual politicians.

    We need representatives who are willing to “rock the boat” on Capitol Hill, and Doug Hoffman is just that type of candidate. Please go to http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com right away!


    Sincerely,
    Tim Macy
    Vice-Chairman

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    I heard him speak to to Hannity and answer questions. He had all the right answers and appeared a genuine conservative and very Pro-2A. I don't live there but I'd vote for him. :celebrate
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    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson

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    <SNIP> "One of Doug Hoffman€™s opponents, Bill Owens, will be just another YES vote on guns for . . . House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. He refuses to let voters know where he stands on specific gun control issues, which enables him to play it both ways on the Second Amendment."

    I gather from this that Bill Owens has taken some pro-gun stands, but did not fill out the GOA survey . . . correct?
    Last edited by The Donkey; 12-15-2010 at 06:44 AM. Reason: and having writ moves on, then back, then on . . .

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    The Donkey wrote:
    <SNIP> "One of Doug Hoffman’s opponents, Bill Owens, will be just another YES vote for radical anti-gun House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. He refuses to let voters know where he stands on specific gun control issues, which enables him to play it both ways on the Second Amendment."

    I gather from this that Bill Owens has taken some pro-gun stands, but did not fill out the GOA survey . . . correct?
    That's the beauty of not telling anyone what your views are. You can tell everyone that you support their views when you talk to them, then do whatever you want when it counts.

    I don't know Owens or his views, but if he's a typical liberal politician then "play it both ways" generally means they say they support it, then vote against it.

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    TFred wrote:

    I don't know Owens or his views, but if he's a typical liberal politician then "play it both ways" generally means they say they support it, then vote against it.

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    "Typical liberal politician" = typical of any politician. Hencethe problem with H.L. Richardson and Gun Owners of America: always willing to label democrats and any view that they happen to disagree with as "socialist"or "liberal" and therefore unworthy. But true liberalism (and true liberals) embrace gun rights.

    I don't know Owens or his views either, but I am unwilling to judge him on the basis of the vague bill of indictment propounded by GOA.

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    Gingrich is a horse's a$$ moderate and I really wish he'd go away. I'm glad to see the rino dropped out in NY, and hope the conservatives in NJ and FL will beat the pants off their opponents. Then, maybe, the Republician party will get the message, if not then they will be relagated to the dustbin of history.
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    The Donkey wrote:
    TFred wrote:

    I don't know Owens or his views, but if he's a typical liberal politician then "play it both ways" generally means they say they support it, then vote against it.

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    "Typical liberal politician" = typical of any politician. Hencethe problem with H.L. Richardson and Gun Owners of America: always willing to label democrats and any view that they happen to disagree with as "socialist"or "liberal" and therefore unworthy. But true liberalism (and true liberals) embrace gun rights.

    I don't know Owens or his views either, but I am unwilling to judge him on the basis of the vague bill of indictment propounded by GOA.
    Yep but theres not very many of those left in that party now are there.

    And the republicans are not that far behind them.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    I saw a report todaythat Scozzafava is now endorsing Owens. Sore loser? Or traitor?

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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    I saw a report todaythat Scozzafava is now endorsing Owens. Sore loser? Or traitor?
    Sounds clear that the GOP should never skip a primary, even for special elections!

    Sore loser? Traitor? This article settled on "skank".

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    It keeps getting better and better... or I guess actually worse and worse.

    What a zoo. What else should we expect from RINOs.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...zzafava-favors

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    "Typical liberal politician" = typical of any politician. Hencethe problem with H.L. Richardson and Gun Owners of America: always willing to label democrats and any view that they happen to disagree with as "socialist"or "liberal" and therefore unworthy. But true liberalism (and true liberals) embrace gun rights.

    I don't know Owens or his views either, but I am unwilling to judge him on the basis of the vague bill of indictment propounded by GOA.
    Politicians love to play it both ways as is noted in the following quote:

    "My friends, I had not intended to discuss this controversial subject at this particular time. However, I want you to know that I do not shun controversy. On the contrary, I will take a stand on any issue at any time, regardless of how fraught with controversy it might be. You have asked me how I feel about whiskey. All right, here is how I feel about whiskey:

    If when you say whiskey you mean the devil's brew, the poison scourge, the bloody monster, that defiles innocence, dethrones reason, destroys the home, creates misery and poverty, yea, literally takes the bread from the mouths of little children; if you mean the evil drink that topples the Christian man and woman from the pinnacle of righteous, gracious living into the bottomless pit of degradation, and despair, and shame and helplessness, and hopelessness, then certainly I am against it.

    But, if when you say whiskey you mean the oil of conversation, the philosophic wine, the ale that is consumed when good fellows get together, that puts a song in their hearts and laughter on their lips, and the warm glow of contentment in their eyes; if you mean Christmas cheer; if you mean the stimulating drink that puts the spring in the old gentleman's step on a frosty, crispy morning; if you mean the drink which enables a man to magnify his joy, and his happiness, and to forget, if only for a little while, life's great tragedies, and heartaches, and sorrows; if you mean that drink, the sale of which pours into our treasuries untold millions of dollars, which are used to provide tender care for our little crippled children, our blind, our deaf, our dumb, our pitiful aged and infirm; to build highways and hospitals and schools, then certainly I am for it.

    This is my stand. I will not retreat from it. I will not compromise."

    -- Judge Noah S. "Soggy" Sweat, Jr., 1952




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    The Donkey wrote:
    TFred wrote:

    I don't know Owens or his views, but if he's a typical liberal politician then "play it both ways" generally means they say they support it, then vote against it.

    TFred
    "Typical liberal politician" = typical of any politician. Hencethe problem with H.L. Richardson and Gun Owners of America: always willing to label democrats and any view that they happen to disagree with as "socialist"or "liberal" and therefore unworthy. But true liberalism (and true liberals) embrace gun rights.

    I don't know Owens or his views either, but I am unwilling to judge him on the basis of the vague bill of indictment propounded by GOA.
    If somebody isn't man enough to state a position, he has no right to complain when others question why and posit an ulterior motive.

    Governor Ted Strickland of Ohio is a pro-gun Democrat and makes absolutely no secret of it.
    --- Gun control: The theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.

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    Well, this answers the old question of how to stop a charging RINO...... Run a REAL Republican against her on a third-party ticket.

    As to Owen and the refusal to answer the GOA and his "rumored" "somewhat" pro-gun non-stance, everybody knows the Politician's favorite color is plaid, right?? Or for the goofier ones, polka-dot, mebbee.

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    I had read that Scozzafava was very pro-Second Amendment, but on some social issues and on most fiscal issues she was more closely aligned with the Democrats.

    Personally, I'd be happy to see more Libertarian candidates get a chance. From what I've seen, many people vote for the big-government Democrats because they view the Republicans as anti-civil rights due to issues like gay marriage (ignoring that rights like 2A are typically championed by the Republicans). With the platform of small government and maximum civil liberties (including gay marriage and gun rights), I imagine they would be able to draw a lot of people who otherwise felt stuck voting for tax-and-spend Democrats. Maybe that would help turn the tide in favor of reduction in government involvement in daily life generally.

    Just thinking out loud.

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    I dunno how this will ggo... but I wish the folks in that district and New York in general 'Good Luck' tomorrow in ousting these lib-tard neocoms of whatever flavor. :celebrate

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    In related news here in Virginia Obama came to stump for Deeds. Deeds' poll numbers immediately dropped even further into the toilet. I have a long-range prediction: ODonnell/Palin 2012 by a landslide, especially after the Dems dump Obama as un-reelectable causing the Black "base" to stay home in droves. Hey, I cn dream......

    BTW where mah avatar?

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    Results?
    Chuck Norris/Ted Nugent That's the ticket for 2016!

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    carracer wrote:
    Results?
    http://www.npr.org/blogs/politicalju..._times_wh.html



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    9 p.m. New York -- The contest in upstate New York is one of two special congressional races in the nation on Tuesday, and one everyone is watching. It's for the 23rd CD seat vacated by now-Army Secretary John McHugh (and no matter how this one turns out, how brilliant was it of President Obama to cause this GOP civil war by plucking McHugh out of the House?) Dede Scozzafava, the Republican nominee, found herself under attack by conservatives for her positions on abortion, same-sex marriage and the Obama economic policies. That led to an increase in support for the Conservative Party candidate, Doug Hoffman, who picked up the endorsement of national Republicans such as Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty, Fred Thompson and a whole bunch of incumbent members of the House and Senate. The betting for the longest time was that the split among Republicans would ultimately give this seat to Bill Owens, a Democrat, in a district that hasn't elected a Democrat since there's been a Republican Party. But on Saturday, faced with disappearing polling numbers and an almost non-existent bank account, Scozzafava ended her candidacy (her name remains on the ballot). On Sunday, she endosed Democrat Owens. Latest polling has Hoffman up, but it's close.

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    AAUUUUGGHHHH! National Public Radio site!! Must rinse out computer!!!!

    Anyhow, here in VA the Republicans kicked ass, and up in Joisey Corzine looks to be being beaten like a rented mule. No results about New York yet however I have the feeling that by the time this is over the message will be clear to the Ubamanistas:

    THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN! AND THEY SAID "F&^k YOU"!!!!!!

    Of course the Ubamanistas are spinning this by saying it is not a referendum on them which of course it isn't; otherwise they would be out on their kiesters.

    This is shaping up to be the biggest blow for freedom in New Jersey since Washington took Trenton on Christmas Morning.

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