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I will comment on something you posted on the other thread first.
Those that have seen my holster realize it is a duty holster, same as my local LEO's carry. It is attached to a belt in a manner that make removing it from the belt almost impossible without tools.
Anyway, when I carry, I leave the house with the holster already on. When I arrive at the business I am visiting:
1. Retrieve my unloaded cased firearm from the "trunk" completely removing the case from the vehicle.
2. Open the case, and holster the pistol.
3.Remove the loaded magazine from the case and insert it into the holstered pistol.
4. Return empty case to vehicle.
Now I am ready to go (Condition-3, loaded magazine, empty chamber, safety on).
When returning to the vehicle:
1. Retrieve case from "trunk" completely removing case from vehicle.
2.Open case, un-holster pistol, release magazine right into case.
3. Place unloaded firearm into case, close case completely.
4. Insert unloaded cased firearm into vehicle.
This entire process only takes a second or two to complete. (and yes, Doug made a good video showing how at a certain point you are in possession of a concealed weapon) talk about FUBAR gun laws, we got 'em.
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Now to you school zone post:
We believe the law to be unconstitutional on its face. The federal law that the Wisconsin version is based on was already defeated by SCOTUS. We have not purposefully directly challenged this as the penalty is FELONY. We are looking into a possible courtchallenge on constitutional grounds. The law says you can get a permit/license, but we cannot find any agency in Wisconsin that has a procedure/application much less ever granted such a license/permit AND as Gleason pointed out, you can carry, just doesn't do much good.
You also asked about the sidewalk, and there have been many discussions here about just that, if I have to shovel it, don't I own it? Go ahead and read those threads, no point in re-hashing it here.
In the end, we don't have a LEGAL opinion, just personal ones and it's a FELONY (loss of all firearms rights forever) if we are wrong.
I suggest, call you city attorney and ask these questions: Can that guy sit in his lawn chair on the boulevard/sidewalk all day every day? Can I have him arrested for trespass? Do I own the sidewalk, is it private property with a public easement? Just how does that work? If you can actually get an answer and post it for us, GREAT!
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For reference:
Condition-3, loaded magazine, empty chamber,safety on.
Condition-2, loaded magazine, one in the chamber, hammer at half-cock position, safety on.
Condition-1, loaded magazine, one in the chamber, hammer at full-cock (cocked/locked) safety on.
Also, in Wisconsin, you CAN have loaded magazines in the same case with the firearm. They just cannot be "attached."
Unloaded means === EMPTY chamber and either empty or no magazine in the firearm.
