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    Was this cyclist on school property or just riding by? Back to my legality thread, but if he/she was just riding by I think that is completely legal. The story notes the motorist was on Milwaukee Ave. Was the cyclist as well?

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    what i get out of it, they were riding by.

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    Sounds to me like the cyclist was riding by and it is still unknown if the cyclist even had a gun on not, just something a motorist (most likely a sheeple) thought they saw.

    KIVI is saying the weapon was a shotgun....

    http://www.kivitv.com/global/story.asp?s=11443306

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    Overreaction by everyone involved, the original "witness", police, school officials and, of course, the media.

    What a stupid thing to let get out of control.

    Worse than watching 24.

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    Just because the witness, school officials, police, and the media were stupid, that no reason to knock a good tv series. he he

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    Argh -- just watched season 5 on DVD this week and was apalled at the portrayal of the all-powerful CTU. What with all the blabbering of protocols, sockets, throwing people in holding/detention, arrests, escapes, re-arrests, mis-management, insanityand general professional bureaucratic confusion it struck me as a horrible picture. Yes, it's "television land" but still, it was pretty awful.

    My wife (Russian) is insistent that we get the other seasons ASAP, she loves the way they have all these Russian criminals and terrorists as well as the American President.

    And we wonder where the rest of the world gets their generally low opinion of the American system?

    Sigh......

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    watching them in order really helps the story more than most tv series. The bureaucracy is disgusting, but the hero(s) continually ditch the system (with full willingness to accept the responsibility of doing so) to follow their morals.

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    ecocks wrote:
    Argh -- just watched season 5 on DVD this week and was apalled at the portrayal of the all-powerful CTU. What with all the blabbering of protocols, sockets, throwing people in holding/detention, arrests, escapes, re-arrests, mis-management, insanityand general professional bureaucratic confusion it struck me as a horrible picture. Yes, it's "television land" but still, it was pretty awful.

    My wife (Russian) is insistent that we get the other seasons ASAP, she loves the way they have all these Russian criminals and terrorists as well as the American President.

    And we wonder where the rest of the world gets their generally low opinion of the American system?

    Sigh......
    agreed

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    ecocks wrote:
    Argh -- just watched season 5 on DVD this week and was apalled at the portrayal of the all-powerful CTU. What with all the blabbering of protocols, sockets, throwing people in holding/detention, arrests, escapes, re-arrests, mis-management, insanityand general professional bureaucratic confusion it struck me as a horrible picture. Yes, it's "television land" but still, it was pretty awful.

    My wife (Russian) is insistent that we get the other seasons ASAP, she loves the way they have all these Russian criminals and terrorists as well as the American President.

    And we wonder where the rest of the world gets their generally low opinion of the American system?

    Sigh......
    agreed

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    Yeah, I think is the residual momentum of free enterprise that has carried us thus far. However, the sand of socialistic, bureaucratic thinking and policies are doing what they can to halt the engine of progress and prosperity. As goes liberty, so goes prosperity.

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    I think I may know who they saw. I have seen a guy, probably in his late 40s or early 50s, that rides around in that area on his bike and has a nightstick hanging off of his belt. I have seen him in a couple of stores over there, like Home Depot and Winco. I could see how someone driving by could mistake that for a gun as it's pretty visible.

    Of course, that doesn't mean the "MWAG" (man with a gun) call is justified. I also agree over-reaction on the part of the caller/police if the guy wasn't on school property.

    ...and what keeps playing through my head with the mental picture of the guy on the bike riding past the school is the music from The Wizard of Oz where the mean old lady from down the lane takes Toto and rides off on her bike (and then turns in to the Wicked Witch of the West).



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    I discussed this bit of news with my girlfriend, who is quite liberal in many ways. She found it to be a reasonable, justified action, and thinks that sort of thing should be done every time a firearm is seen near a school.

    After a nice, long facepalm, I realized I have a lot of educating to do...

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    or find a new girl...... sometimes that is the only education to be done. how is she with you carrying openly?

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    She's fine with it. Owns a couple firearms herself, for that matter, and learned to shoot at a young age.

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    good

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    I sent a letter to the Boise Police about this misuse of officers. I think this was a huge waste of the taxpayers money. Using 15 police officers to search for someone who isn't even breaking the law, how much money and man-hours of real law enforcement were wasted with that many officers being used for this. Everyone on here needs to write and call in the the city when idiocy like this takes place, let our voices be heard. I received a reply from the police. Here it is:

    Good Afternoon Mr. Sweetwood, Thank you for your e-mail. I hope that I will able to satisfactorily address your concerns. First I would like to give you some additional information on this incident and then explain the reasons for our response. The situation was originally reported by a highway worker to the School Resource officer at Centennial High School. The worker reported a high school age boy riding a bicycle and carrying some type of long gun, possibly a shotgun. The young man was riding his bike towards the high school. This situation is a bit different than an individual riding a bike and carrying a handgun in a holster. This person was school aged, carrying a potentially offensive weapon capable of doing great damage, and was approaching the area of a school. Public safety is the primary mission of the police department, and in an age where school shootings are becoming more common, this situation has to be addressed when brought to the attention of a police officer. Now you could argue that numerous cops searching for one subject is overkill but how do you put a number on the safety of our children? Having been a patrol officer for over 20 years I don't see this as unreasonable, given the time and area to be searched. Anyway I assume the commander on the ground that day had good reason to deploy his resources as he did. At least people can't complain that the cops were sitting in a donut shop doing nothing! School lockdowns are always the decision of the school, with advice from law enforcement, but I do support the principals' decision to lock down both area schools. A lockdown simply means that access to and from the building is restricted. Classes continue in a normal fashion but it does help deter someone from entering the building, and it helps law enforcement in their area search by minimizing foot and bike traffic. It is true in this case that a crime had not been confirmed, but we prefer to be proactive rather than reactive when public safety may be at stake. I do understand the current economic situation, and that I am tasked with the responsibly use of taxpayer dollars, but I would rather expend the resources and discover that nothing is wrong, than to ignore information and have a tragedy erupt that we could have prevented.

    Sincerely,
    Captain Randy Roper
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    "Sweetwood, David B WO1 MIL USA USARPAC" <david.sweetwood@us.army.mil> 11/15/2009 6:10 PM >>>

    By KBCI Web Staff BOISE - Two Treasure Valley schools were in lockdown mode for a short time Wednesday morning. Lynn Hightower, Boise Police spokesperson, said that at about 11 a.m., a motorist on Milwaukee Avenue called police and told them they saw a cyclist that may have had a gun. As a precaution, Capital High and Valley View Elementary were placed on lockdown. Fifteen officers responded and searched the area, but were unable to locate a cyclist with a gun. By 11:20 a.m., the schools were back open. Officers are still combing the area
    Dear Boise Police Dept.,

    Why would you waste so many man hours/money on something that is a non-issue, and wasn't even against the law. In the state of Idaho it is legal to openly carry a firearm, and as long as the cyclist who may have had a gun wasn't on and staying on school property there was no crime to investigate. According to Idaho Code (highlighted below) they cyclist could have even been riding to school with his/her children and dropping them off, and still been within the laws of Idaho. In these times of very limited jobs and tax revenue, our local, state, and federal government need to take a very close look at how they spend their time and money. Investigating incidents like this when there was no crime being committed are completely unacceptable. As the enforcers of the laws, you should be aware of what those laws are. You as police officers expect us to know what the laws are and not break them, we as the public expect you to know what the laws are and uphold them.

    Sincerely, David B. Sweetwood
    I thought this part was amazing: All of what was reported is legal and can be a common occurrence. It is legal for a young man to carry a long-gun, even if he was school age.
    The worker reported a high school age boy riding a bicycle and carrying some type of long gun, possibly a shotgun. The young man was riding his bike towards the high school. This situation is a bit different than an individual riding a bike and carrying a handgun in a holster.

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    I agree with everything you say, and i can not say i do not agree with the captain. It is legal for these activities to happen. But what the news said and what he told you are different. Going with the news reported story, i agree, the cops need to go patrol. Wit his story, i am glad they took the time to be in the area, to check it out, because i would be more upsetif they did nothing and something had happened. I stand by our rights, but since schools are gun free zones, and cops are the only ones allowed to have them there, then lets let them body guard our kids if something looks dangerous.

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