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    Master Doug Huffman wrote: Thanks Doug, I missed the earlier post.

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    No sweat. It was just a cheap addition to my post count. Thanks for snitting on the troll.

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    Guns are bad!!! Soldiers should not be allowed to have guns.

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    Lammie wrote:
    Guns are bad!!! Soldiers should not be allowed to have guns.
    Apparently not ones that have recently converted to Islam <Sarcasm.

    I think we will start seeing more and more of this as long as we keep sending troops to fight "Wars" for countries that don't even like us, but only want our money.

    So much for the value of the U.S. Dollar dropping, apparently it is very valuable to the middle eastern countries.

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    J.Gleason wrote:
    So much for the value of the U.S. Dollar dropping, apparently it is very valuable to the middle eastern countries.
    Uhh, ya lost me with that. My estimation of the value of the dollar; we, I, don't see the capital value of the nation changing significantly but still the market averages, in dollars rise. An increase in dollar cost without a increase in value suggests, to me, a decrease in the value of a dollar.

    Or look at the record high price of gold. If it gets much worse then I'll take the penalties that have prevented me from liquidating some significant investments and move into gold while I can, while my dollars are worth something.

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    I guess my point was they don't like us but they sure like our money.

    The shame of it is, if some bystander had been armed maybe they could have stopped this guy before it got as far as it did.
    Just goes to show you never know where it will happen.

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    Unfortunately, military bases actually facilitate crimes like this. Using the excuse of safety, weapons are prohibited to be carried for "normal" self defense. When I was in, the only time we were alowed to have live rounds was at the range or at the actual guard point. We had to turn in the rounds and were accountable for each and every one at the end of our shift. No personal weapons in the barracks and they had to be stored in the armory. There were times I was on guard duty with my M16 but no round, just an empty magazine inserted in the mag well for appearances.:?

    Once my wife and I gotbase housing,I always had a loaded weapon in my quarters and she had her own.

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    IMO, soldiers on duty during wartime ought to be armed at all times regardless of location. Particularly in a war with no FEBA.


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    J.Gleason wrote:
    So much for the value of the U.S. Dollar dropping, apparently it is very valuable to the middle eastern countries.
    Um,

    I fail to see a connection with the shooting here.

    Hasan was born and raised in Virginia...

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    gollbladder13 wrote:
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    So much for the value of the U.S. Dollar dropping, apparently it is very valuable to the middle eastern countries.
    Um,

    I fail to see a connection with the shooting here.

    Hasan was born and raised in Virginia...
    Was Islam born and raised in Virginia?

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    I'd like to know how the media gets away with such drastic changes in the story with out any criticism.

    First, there were 3 shooters, then it was 1 shooter and 2 accomplices in custody. Then they reported the shooter was dead.
    Then they said the two people who were suspected as accomplices were released.
    Now they say the shooter is still alive.

    It is not terrorism (the medias words). How can some one walking into a building full of people and open firing not be considered terrorism?

    I heard this morning that a woman who was considered a first responder, was in fact armed and the shots fired by this woman did in fact help to end this ordeal.

    I bet this is a bad flash back for Susanna Hupp.

    The fact is even the people of Texas have still not learned that these incidents can happen anywhere. It is always best to plan ahead and be prepared and that means exercise your rights to self defense. The problem is the sheeple of this country have grown to fat and lazy and want everyone else to do the dirty work for them.

    A perfect example of why people should carry for self defense.

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    I am still thinking that , the shooter, was an inbedded single man sleeper cell. It just smells way too fishy for me.
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    J.Gleason wrote:
    gollbladder13 wrote:
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    So much for the value of the U.S. Dollar dropping, apparently it is very valuable to the middle eastern countries.
    Um,

    I fail to see a connection with the shooting here.

    Hasan was born and raised in Virginia...
    Was Islam born and raised in Virginia?
    Nope, but thanks to the 1st Amendment, it doesn't matter where Islam was born and raised. It can still be practiced here without persecution...

    ETA: So since he was Islam and was involved in a mass shooting, Middle Eastern countries are getting cash from the US for it? How are those countries getting money out of the US? We're not buying their war technology. We're not sponsoring their armies. I guess that point is lost on me, but I'll just remain confused so we don't overtake the thread.

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    gollbladder13 wrote:
    Nope, but thanks to the 1st Amendment, it doesn't matter where Islam was born and raised. It can still be practiced here without persecution.
    Begs the question, modus ponens, what is the practice of Islam? Actions, conflict, speaks louder than words. Conflict like the 1090 through 1300 Crusades.

    Radio reports at 1100 CST have Army bases going to elevated alert. Bye

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    If being deployed to a war zone is your "worse case senario", you probably shouldn't join the military.

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    Master Doug Huffman wrote:
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    Nope, but thanks to the 1st Amendment, it doesn't matter where Islam was born and raised. It can still be practiced here without persecution.
    Begs the question, modus ponens, what is the practice of Islam? Actions, conflict, speaks louder than words. Conflict like the 1090 through 1300 Crusades.

    Radio reports at 1100 CST have Army bases going to elevated alert. Bye
    Yes, it is to bad that so many are blind to the fact there are many Islamic s here in this country that are merely sleeping. when they wake up, innocent people die.

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    gollbladder13 wrote:
    J.Gleason wrote:
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    So much for the value of the U.S. Dollar dropping, apparently it is very valuable to the middle eastern countries.
    Um,

    I fail to see a connection with the shooting here.

    Hasan was born and raised in Virginia...
    Was Islam born and raised in Virginia?
    Nope, but thanks to the 1st Amendment, it doesn't matter where Islam was born and raised. It can still be practiced here without persecution...

    ETA: So since he was Islam and was involved in a mass shooting, Middle Eastern countries are getting cash from the US for it? How are those countries getting money out of the US? We're not buying their war technology. We're not sponsoring their armies. I guess that point is lost on me, but I'll just remain confused so we don't overtake the thread.
    This is totally not what I said, and you are simply trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

    How are these countries getting money out of the U.S? Are you kidding me?

    Do you live in an underground bunker with no contact to the outside world?

    Hmm, Countries that get money from the U.S.,
    Pakistan
    Afghanistan
    India
    Iraq
    Kuwait
    and the list goes on and on. From the middle east to South Africa. Mostly all Islamic countries. we don't have to buy anything from them. We just give them money.

    As far as sponsoring their armies, oh hell yeah, I can vouch for that personally. We train their armies and provide them with weapons.

    They love our money, they just hate us.

    Think sleeper cell.


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    gollbladder13 wrote:
    How are those countries getting money out of the US? We're not buying their war technology. We're not sponsoring their armies. I guess that point is lost on me, but I'll just remain confused so we don't overtake the thread.
    Seriously GB13? it is DRUGS!!!

    The highest quality, most potent hashish and opiate derivativescome from those middle eastern countries. It is a multi-billion dollar industry.

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    Still don't think this was a sleeper cell?



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    My friend pointing out something very significant. Notice how the media always uses the word "Gunman..." They know exactly what they're doing -- associating guns and men with guns with massacres. Gun...kills 13 people...

    This story should have been Soldier kills...

    Or even more descriptive...Psychiatrist goes crazy killing 13 people...

    or Army Officer...

    Doctor....


    Why gun man then? They don't really say "Bombman kills..." or "Bomber kills..." very often. If it's a bomb, they say "13 died in explosion" or something to that effect. The propaganda machine hard at work


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    Dont like fox news that much, but it did post this.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/...gun-free-zone/

    Gun free zone for our Army... Never did understand that...

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    i was just about to post that.. i think it applies to ALL gun-free zones. if logic was a little more common people would have noticed that a large number of these "massacres" are in gun-free zones and the reason the body count is >1 is the fact that noone else is armed except the criminal. there are no "first responders" we are supposed to just wait for the police. its a shame.

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    Really doesn't matter IMHO. I believe we will see more and more of these incidents in the future and not just on military posts.

    Islamic Extremists are waging war against America and our government is to ignorant to realize it.

    Ever notice that in the recent past, just about every one of these types of incidents has involved Islamic Extremists?

    I am not profiling against Muslims. The religion is only a front being used by these extreme individuals. They use the Muslim religion openly in an effort to get Americans to go to war with ALL Muslims. We must be very careful to not include the innocent people here.

    IMHO, this guy Hasan was a sleeper. I believe he joined the military knowing that with his education and degree he would be a candidate for OCS and become an officer fairly quickly, which was the case here.

    He then more than likely collected as much info as he could and communicated that info to other extremists in the middle east as we have found out in this past week. Not only does he have a link to the 9/11 terrorists but he has also been in contact with an extremist sheik in the middle east as well. More than likely to pass on any info he had.

    Hasan never expected to get tapped for deployment. When this happened he realized he may be put in the position to fight his own people. That is why he did what he did. To him, it was now or never.

    The military is prosecuting this guy. I hope they keep in mind that it was premeditated, an act of treason and also committed during war time. Which means he can be executed which would be true justice.

    The thing that scares me the most about all of this is we still see so many people who are against upholding the constitution and still oppose anyone carrying a gun for self defense.

    We live in a fat lazy country, with fat lazy people who think they shouldn't even have to exert themselves enough to protect themselves. Instead they would rather wait for the cops, who are minutes away.

    Carry On!

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