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    So tonight a couple buddies of mine and I went to sheetz to get lunch. (like we do every night) When we pulled in there, was a cop car parked in the no parking zone, in between two handicapped parking spots. There were two cops outside eating food and drinking coffee, clearly not responding to a call.I got out my cam-corder and recorded his car, unfortunately I forgot my batteries were low and it die almost immediately. The one cop said, "Make sure you get a good shot!". I just responded, "Sir, I got what I needed, It just upsets me when my tax payer money goes to stuff like that. I am not trying to start trouble." He gave me a smart look and then I walked into sheetz to get my food.

    Immediately, the cop went to his car and drove away. The other cop came in and said, "We can park anywhere we want in town, when we want. We don't have to be responding to a call."
    I only responded, "If that's the way you want to interpret the law, that's fine."
    He then proceeded to point at our guns. "Just want to let you know, when you guys carry like that (OC), your just asking for trouble." All three of responded that we have all been open carrying for around two years with no real trouble. Another cop drove up and came in and said, "These guys are "The Sheetz Crew", they come in all the time and hang out." We responded that we only get our lunch here and leave. I also said, "We are well within our rights to open carry here whenever we want." He responded, "I am well aware of the law, thank you." and I said, "Well I am glad to hear that".

    This was my first upsetting experience with the LPD. Hopefully it is my last.... ha!


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    Which Sheetz location?

    Will you be filing a formal complaint?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    You were just asking for a negative experience since you started talking @#$% to the cops.

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    hunter45 wrote:
    You were just asking for a negative experience since you started talking @#$% to the cops.
    Talking sh*t? I wasent planning on saying a word to them. THEY were the ones who made the comment, "Make sure you get a good shot!". We were polite and calm the whole time. Complaining about how my tax payer money is spent is NOT talking sh*t.

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    hunter45 wrote:
    You were just asking for a negative experience since you started talking @#$% to the cops.
    His story sounds like the cops started talking @#$% first. The cops were in the wrong, and Jero1987 called them on it, and if he said verbatim what he posted here, he did it quite politely. That's not talking @#$%.

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    Jero1987 wrote:
    hunter45 wrote:
    You were just asking for a negative experience since you started talking @#$% to the cops.
    Talking sh*t? I wasent planning on saying a word to them. THEY were the ones who made the comment, "Make sure you get a good shot!". We were polite and calm the whole time. Complaining about how my tax payer money is spent is NOT talking sh*t.
    Exactly, it sounded like they were joking around with you, and then you start giving them ****.

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    Citizen wrote:
    Which Sheetz location?

    Will you be filing a formal complaint?
    Wards Road.

    I don't plan on filling a complaint with the police department.

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    hunter45 wrote:
    Jero1987 wrote:
    hunter45 wrote:
    You were just asking for a negative experience since you started talking @#$% to the cops.
    Talking sh*t? I wasent planning on saying a word to them. THEY were the ones who made the comment, "Make sure you get a good shot!". We were polite and calm the whole time. Complaining about how my tax payer money is spent is NOT talking sh*t.
    Exactly, it sounded like they were joking around with you, and then you start giving them @#$%.
    Please explain how the statement, which WAS verbatim, "Sir, I got what I needed, It just upsets me when my tax payer money goes to stuff like that. I am not trying to start trouble.", is talking sh*t?

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    Jero1987 wrote:
    hunter45 wrote:
    Jero1987 wrote:
    hunter45 wrote:
    You were just asking for a negative experience since you started talking @#$% to the cops.
    Talking sh*t? I wasent planning on saying a word to them. THEY were the ones who made the comment, "Make sure you get a good shot!". We were polite and calm the whole time. Complaining about how my tax payer money is spent is NOT talking sh*t.
    Exactly, it sounded like they were joking around with you, and then you start giving them @#$%.
    Please explain how the statement, which WAS verbatim, "Sir, I got what I needed, It just upsets me when my tax payer money goes to stuff like that. I am not trying to start trouble.", is talking sh*t?
    If you were working and some guy you don't know comes up to you and tells you he isn't happy with what you're doing, aren't you going to be a little ticked off?

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    This country is a republic and police aren't above the law.

    One of the few legal ways that taxpayers can show their disappointment in waste of taxpayer money is to record them. Police do NOT like when citizens excercise their rights politely and especially when they know the law.

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    hunter45 wrote:
    Jero1987 wrote:
    hunter45 wrote:
    Jero1987 wrote:
    hunter45 wrote:
    You were just asking for a negative experience since you started talking @#$% to the cops.
    Talking sh*t? I wasent planning on saying a word to them. THEY were the ones who made the comment, "Make sure you get a good shot!". We were polite and calm the whole time. Complaining about how my tax payer money is spent is NOT talking sh*t.
    Exactly, it sounded like they were joking around with you, and then you start giving them @#$%.
    Please explain how the statement, which WAS verbatim, "Sir, I got what I needed, It just upsets me when my tax payer money goes to stuff like that. I am not trying to start trouble.", is talking sh*t?
    If you were working and some guy you don't know comes up to you and tells you he isn't happy with what you're doing, aren't you going to be a little ticked off?
    My boss yells at me all the time when I am doing something I shouldn't. And guess what I do? I correct myself. Last time I checked taxpayers pay their paychecks.

    Ill make sure the next time I see police break the law and or waste my tax payer money, to thank them as my holy and always correct, lords and masters.

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    Jero1987 wrote:
    This country is a republic and police aren't above the law.

    One of the few legal ways that taxpayers can show their disappointment in waste of taxpayer money is to record them. Police do NOT like when citizens excercise their rights politely and especially when they know the law.
    If you never made that smart comment to the cops then they probably wouldn't have made those negative comments to you about OC. You were just asking for trouble.

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    hunter45 wrote:
    Jero1987 wrote:
    This country is a republic and police aren't above the law.

    One of the few legal ways that taxpayers can show their disappointment in waste of taxpayer money is to record them. Police do NOT like when citizens excercise their rights politely and especially when they know the law.
    If you never made that smart comment to the cops then they probably wouldn't have made those negative comments to you about OC. You were just asking for trouble.
    Asking for trouble would have been if i would have said, "hey pigs move your car!"

    I didnt say a word. I don't care if they were joking. If they call me out for doing something completely LEGAL, i will not just act like a sheeple and run away. They are NOT above taxpayers when it comes to obeying the law.

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    And why would you go up to the police while holding a cam corder if you weren't looking for trouble? Obviously we all carry voice recorders, but walking up to the police with a video camera in your hand and telling them they aren't doing their job...that's just trying to stir up trouble. But whatever, that's just my opinion. I don't wanna start a huge argument.

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    I carry a cam-corder to get video and audio.

    But yes I agree, best to digress not to get in a fight.

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    Jero - let start by stating that I do not know you, or the cop in question; however, you walked into a situation (beginning, middle, end....) making an assumption about the cop's behavior (parking in that area - between two handicap spaces); you then point a video camera at the officers - so that you had an "ahhh-hhhaaaa" or "gotcha" moment - then finally state that you were not going to file a complaint.

    What was the purpose, or intention of your actions? What did you hope to accomplish by your actions? What educational value did you hope to impart upon the officers, the forum members here, your friends, and the general public?

    When we choose to OC we are representative of our collective demographic; like it or not, fair or unfair, our actions represent how "others" view our movement of both self-defense, education and exercising our rights. I will not go as far as stating that you were looking for "trouble" in that interaction with the LEO's; but will say that you were looking to prove "right and wrong" and the LEO was a target - would you have filmed the hooptie, Benz or oversized SUV parked in the same manner, and also talked to that vehicle's owner - in same manner as you did the LEO's?

    More importantly, when you are driving and you are over the speed limit, do you call it into the local LEO's and agreed to accept a ticket?

    I'd agree that both sides - being armed, and hopefully polite members of society - had an opportunity to interact better - and educate the other; but unfortunately, both acted in a manner that only solidified/re-inforced the typical stereotypes...

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    Jero - let start by stating that I do not know you, or the cop in question; however, you walked into a situation (beginning, middle, end....) making an assumption about the cop's behavior (parking in that area - between two handicap spaces); you then point a video camera at the officers - so that you had an "ahhh-hhhaaaa" or "gotcha" moment - then finally state that you were not going to file a complaint.

    What was the purpose, or intention of your actions? What did you hope to accomplish by your actions? What educational value did you hope to impart upon the officers, the forum members here, your friends, and the general public?

    When we choose to OC we are representative of our collective demographic; like it or not, fair or unfair, our actions represent how "others" view our movement of both self-defense, education and exercising our rights. I will not go as far as stating that you were looking for "trouble" in that interaction with the LEO's; but will say that you were looking to prove "right and wrong" and the LEO was a target - would you have filmed the hooptie, Benz or oversized SUV parked in the same manner, and also talked to that vehicle's owner - in same manner as you did the LEO's?

    More importantly, when you are driving and you are over the speed limit, do you call it into the local LEO's and agreed to accept a ticket?

    I'd agree that both sides - being armed, and hopefully polite members of society - had an opportunity to interact better - and educate the other; but unfortunately, both acted in a manner that only solidified/re-inforced the typical stereotypes...
    Prove right and wrong? Well in the state of VA parking in a no parking zone and or handicapped spot without a sticker is well illegal. I recorded the car legally and enjoy documenting my money being WASTED.

    Here is the difference with your speeding example, when I speed for personal reasons I get a ticket, when LEO's speed they get to where they are going faster.

    I do not have a problem with LEOs and do not cruise around looking for them doing things wrong. But I do however record them when they do, do it.

    Also, I would have filed a complaint, If i had recorded the license plate or their badge numbers.

    I do not have a problem with LEOs and have no vendetta against them. But I do not feel that they shouldnt be able to do whatever they want without anything happening.

    Thanks for your thoughts though and putting your point of perspective into play.


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    hunter45 wrote:
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    You were just asking for a negative experience since you started talking @#$% to the cops.
    Talking sh*t? I wasent planning on saying a word to them. THEY were the ones who made the comment, "Make sure you get a good shot!". We were polite and calm the whole time. Complaining about how my tax payer money is spent is NOT talking sh*t.
    Exactly, it sounded like they were joking around with you, and then you start giving them @#$%.
    Sounds like perhaps they deserved a little @#$%. I dont think he was provoking them without cause.

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    hunter45 wrote:
    Jero1987 wrote:
    This country is a republic and police aren't above the law.

    One of the few legal ways that taxpayers can show their disappointment in waste of taxpayer money is to record them. Police do NOT like when citizens excercise their rights politely and especially when they know the law.
    If you never made that smart comment to the cops then they probably wouldn't have made those negative comments to you about OC. You were just asking for trouble.
    Thats like saying that a girl deserves to be raped because she wore a skirt. The cops and only the cops are responsible for what comes out of their mouths. The conversation had nothing to do with guns. And the whole point of our movement is to make wearing a gun like wearing a cell phone. The cops don't have any authority to question our possession of a cell phone OR a gun.

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    And why would you go up to the police while holding a cam corder if you weren't looking for trouble? Obviously we all carry voice recorders, but walking up to the police with a video camera in your hand and telling them they aren't doing their job...that's just trying to stir up trouble. But whatever, that's just my opinion. I don't wanna start a huge argument.
    I didn't read it that way.

    He video tapedtheir vehicle, not them.

    And they started the conversation, not him.

    If you want to make the case that he somehow created the situation, that's fine. Civil discourse is a good thing.

    But embellishing kinda undermines your position, doesn't it?

    Personally, I would not have been too concerned about where they parked, but their subsequent comment about "asking for trouble" by OCing kinda reinforces the perception of arrogance that caused them to park illegally, doesn't it?

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    The one thing overall that floored me, was when the cop said, "We can park anywhere we want in town, when we want. We don't have to be responding to a call."

    Now as far as my understanding goes, yes Sheetz is open the public, but they are still private property. I wonder what some of my neighbors would think if the cops just decided they are going to park on their front lawn to speed check.

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    Jero1987 wrote:
    The one thing overall that floored me, was when the cop said, "We can park anywhere we want in town, when we want. We don't have to be responding to a call."

    Now as far as my understanding goes, yes Sheetz is open the public, but they are still private property. I wonder what some of my neighbors would think if the cops just decided they are going to park on their front lawn to speed check.
    Yeah I'm pretty sure that when you see those "NO LOITERING" signs....their is not anything on it about cops being exempt. Besides...its not even that. If they have so little to do....why do we need them? I know that my company is on furlough. We don't have as much to do so I am required to take a day off here and there. If they caught me not doing anything my company would be ALL OVER ME. I think as bad as the economy is it is responsible of us to keep these guys moving. Surely there is SOMETHING they could do other than hang out with their buddies and reinforce their stereotype of hanging out drinking coffee and eating donuts on the clock. Meanwhile....there are drug deals going on, gangs robbing and killing, illegal immigrants walking the streets, women being abused and people calling 911 only to wait 15 minutes for cops to arrive. I love cops and support them 110% but when they need a swift kick in the rear....they, no different than anyone else, deserve one.

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    Jero1987 wrote:
    jadedone4 wrote: Prove right and wrong? Well in the state of VA parking in a no parking zone and or handicapped spot without a sticker is well illegal. I recorded the car legally and enjoy documenting my money being WASTED.

    SNIP
    How does illegally parking on their (more than likely union mandated) lunch break equate to wasting your money? Because another cop didn't cite the offending cop and bring in revenue for the city?

    As a son of a handicapped woman, people who do what that officer did piss me off to no end, and I would have made the opening comment in the conversation if I were you.


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    I don't see the police officers eating their meal as wasting money. The parking in a no parking zone in no more legal for them than you or me. Even without tag number, name,or badge number a complaint to the chief of department about the illegal parkingis warranted.

    The department needs to correct the officers if only by memo to all members of the department.



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    As a user of handicapped parking spaces I'm going to jump in the conversation. That "space" between handicapped lanes is there to allow access for persons who use a lift/ramp of some sort to get in and out of their vehicle. The fact that some folks who qualify for handicapped parking access do not need the extra room for a ramp/lift does not mean anyone can/should block the space on a case-by-case basis.

    Cops, like firefighters and ambulance crews, often do need to be able to get out and on the road in a hurry if they are called onduring a break. I have not seen firefighters or ambulance crews use part of a handicapped parking space, although I have seen some folks complain about them taking up 3 parking spaces by placing traffic cones around their vehicle. Or they may loiter in the "No Parking - Fire Lane" zone while one crew member goes in to get whatever everybody wants. (I'veseen several cups of coffee spilled when a Code 3 call came in and the guy doing the buying ran out to catch the ambulance that was pulling away.)

    I have some handbills a guy at the VA made up for putting under the windshield wiper of folks who use a handicapped space improperly. It's worded politely but gets the message across that it is not a "convenient parking spot" if someone with a handicapped tag/placard is not already occupying the spot. I have politely asked folks who do not have handicapped tags/placards displayed to get out of the space if I need it - but do not start a discussion or engage in name-calling if they refuse. I do snap a picture to turn in to the police later on. What they do with the "proof" is their business. I would turn ina picture/videoof a cop doing the samein the hope (as indicated by my written request) that it serve as the basis for training/instruction on public relations if not compliance with law.

    As for the comments by the copsabout OCing - if it's not documented it did not happen, although a conversation with the shift supervisor or others in the chain of command may have some positive results. Then again, the offending cops may see it as a reason to seek reprisal for your complaining about them. All I can say is you get tochoose your battles, so choose wisely (see comment about documentation).

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