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    My wife got a job at Potomac Mills so she can't carry to work. Kind of sucks since a tiny woman coming out of the mall, in the dark, late at night after closing kind of makes an easy target. What are your views on like stun guns vs. pepper spray or any other kinds of non pistol self defense that she could carry in her purse?

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    AEubanks wrote:
    My wife got a job at Potomac Mills so she can't carry to work. Kind of sucks since a tiny woman coming out of the mall, in the dark, late at night after closing kind of makes an easy target. What are your views on like stun guns vs. pepper spray or any other kinds of non pistol self defense that she could carry in her purse?
    #1 Taser!
    Stun guns DO NOT WORK!
    #2 Bear Spray (much more effective than regular pepper)
    #3 Knife


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    I agree with the post above. Get her a taser. I have a stun gun and I've used it on myself. It hurts, but it's not going to stop someone if they are determined to do whatever it is they want to do.

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    Tasers are expensive but have a lot going for them. They work!

    You can carry them many places you can't legally take a gun. I won't discuss whether I had a gun at the Republican victory party. It would have been illegal and I never do anything illegal. I freely admit I had my Taser though. Before the party, we went to dinner and I wore it legally, concealed.

    I frequently carry it in addition to my gun. It gives me options!

    Last and important from your wife's stand point, they are acceptable where a gun wouldn't be. Even Anti's don't normally object to them.

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    Many places also proscribe the carry of tazers along with guns. In Virginia carry of an effective defensive knife can be problematic as well. While pepper spray is usually not an issue, it is also ineffective in some cases and it can be difficult to apply in windy conditions.

    You might want to consider a Bubba Stick or similar cane type device. With very little training a person can defend against most attacks very effectively with a cane.
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    Surefire E2D LED defender flashlight. im a little discouraged no one mentioned a tactical headpealing knife......:what:. The OP stated night time at mall. I think we all know 120 lumens can be quite handy no?

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    +1 !!

    E2D LED is an outstanding light. I carry one of those and a Coldsteel Recon1 ( or sometimes a CRKT M16SF) at all times, sort of a lot of hardware especially when combined with OC'ing, but worth it.

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    As for carrying around, I cant say.

    But in my home probably a bat, or my forehead and hopefully an unarmed intruder.

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    Knife...simple and deadly.

    But, it has some requirements:

    1) Training

    The main idea here is to train up your reflexes in reaction to an incoming attack. This does not have to be extensive. A two day course where the instructor builds more complex actions based upon the same basic moves is all you probably need. The trick is to train the very basic attacks and defenses and use them in combination. Training up 10 basics with 5 combos is very do-able in a weekend.

    Periodic retraining is necessary since this degrades faster than handgun skills.

    What's really cool is that knife, hand, and gun movements can be virtually identical. Redirecting an incoming punch can be the same as redirecting it with a knife or gun in the hand.

    The rest of is just repetition.

    Check out what Larry Lindenman is teaching. I have found it to be the integrated system that I've been looking for.

    2) Fitness

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    Any preference on bear/pepper spray? (brands I mean, or what do I need to look for when picking one?) The "bear sprays" that I have found are like mini fire extinguishers it seems... I need something smaller that she can easily fit in her purse.... I really like the taser but with the cheapest I can find being $260 I just flat out don't have the money for that right now....

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    peter nap wrote:
    Tasers are expensive but have a lot going for them. They work!

    You can carry them many places you can't legally take a gun. I won't discuss whether I had a gun at the Republican victory party. It would have been illegal and I never do anything illegal. I freely admit I had my Taser though. Before the party, we went to dinner and I wore it legally, concealed.

    I frequently carry it in addition to my gun. It gives me options!

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    Which Taser model do you carry, PN?

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    I can't think of any job in a mall that is good enough to keep me from having the means to properly defend myself.
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    Since I work at an official "victim zone" (military base) and can't carry a pistol or a knife, I carry my "Executive Ice Scraper". Four bucks for peace of mind. Besides, you never know when you might have to scrape ice off your windshield!


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    AEubanks wrote:
    My wife got a job at Potomac Mills so she can't carry to work. Kind of sucks since a tiny woman coming out of the mall, in the dark, late at night after closing kind of makes an easy target. What are your views on like stun guns vs. pepper spray or any other kinds of non pistol self defense that she could carry in her purse?
    A gun. And a CHP. And a CC holster. Screw job "rules" when it comes to Potomac Mills, or most malls for that matter. Too many unsavory types around them after dark.

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    Multiple layers of defense:

    1. Bear spray.

    2. Taser

    3. Machete.



    Your wife may wish to learn to use a short/bastard sword, too.

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    paramedic70002 wrote:
    I can't think of any job in a mall that is good enough to keep me from having the means to properly defend myself.
    Well when you are living on spaghetti because you can't afford anything else and are new to an area and expecting a baby, anything that pays money is a job worth taking just about. Hell I am looking for a second job for nights and weekends beause the Marine Corps doesn't pay enough....

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    AEubanks wrote:
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    I can't think of any job in a mall that is good enough to keep me from having the means to properly defend myself.
    Well when you are living on spaghetti because you can't afford anything else and are new to an area and expecting a baby, anything that pays money is a job worth taking just about. Hell I am looking for a second job for nights and weekends beause the Marine Corps doesn't pay enough....
    You can't afford spaghetti if you get robbed for all your food money, or die, because you took a second choice self-defense weapon to work just to capitulate to an employers profit-margin based "rules". I stand by my statement for her to CC and screw the rules, and don't tell anybody.

    Congrats on the incoming offspring

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    Wangmuf wrote:
    AEubanks wrote:
    paramedic70002 wrote:
    I can't think of any job in a mall that is good enough to keep me from having the means to properly defend myself.
    Well when you are living on spaghetti because you can't afford anything else and are new to an area and expecting a baby, anything that pays money is a job worth taking just about. Hell I am looking for a second job for nights and weekends beause the Marine Corps doesn't pay enough....
    You can't afford spaghetti if you get robbed for all your food money, or die, because you took a second choice self-defense weapon to work just to capitulate to an employers profit-margin based "rules". I stand by my statement for her to CC and screw the rules, and don't tell anybody.

    Congrats on the incoming offspring
    Thanks.... And I understand what you mean with the money thing, only there just isn't money... It real easy to not spend money on a taser when you flat out do not have it. It sucks, but I just do not have it. Hell, even if I could barrow the money from family I would, but they are even worse of than me...

    And her CC'ing isn't really an option.... the clothes she wears to work, her size, and the fact everything will already be basically skin tight once she is the size of a beach ball, and I think it would be even dumber to have her like put it in her purse so she will either get it stolen when someone finds it or fired...

    On top of that, she doesn't have enough experience to properly employ a pistol anyway.... I am working on it, but until I took her to the range not too long ago, she had never even shot a pistol, and even now she has only shot a .22 and 1 round from my .40.... Maybe once we are both comfortable with her having a pistol THEN we MIGHT look into her carrying a pistol on her person....

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    AE -

    http://www.taser.com/products/consumers/Pages/C2.aspx

    Also, if she fires this and files a police report, they will replace it either free or at a reduced cost.

    They recommend deploy, drop and run to safety.

    I carry the M18 or the X26 when a gun is not an option.

    As for the mall, if she has secure storage for her purse and valuables, I don't think that she would have any trouble carrying a gun in her purse. I live in Oklahoma too and the attitude here would be on your wife's side if she had to use the gun for any reason. I firmly believe up to shaming her employer into not firing her.

    Before concealed carry, any woman carrying a gun illegally was not ticketed nor harrassed for carrying. It was a wink and a nod.

    If her employer does accidentally find out that she carries, here's a few links for her to use

    http://www.newsok.com/article/233241...m_click=search

    http://www.newsok.com/article/272089...m_click=search

    http://www.newsok.com/article/325199...m_click=search

    As you can see, there is a danger out there, but situational awareness can go a long way towards keeping her safe. Also, does the mall have a Security Office? She can call them to escort her to her vehicle.


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    Ammonia cleaner in a pop top water bottle. Or maybe a plain spray bottle.

    Only problem is that it will probably permanently blind whoever gets sprayed. And the user is awfully screwed if cross contamination happens. This could lead to BIG legal problems for the defender.

    So let me make clear in no uncertain terms, it's asking to be sued and maybe prosecuted, so I'm not officially suggesting anyone does this. But if I can't have a gun with me, that's what I'm going to carry, because I know it's going to stop a threat. I'll be worried about legal problems after defending myself.
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    Personally I sport a "Victim Free Zone" button on my lapel. That works pretty good :celebrate

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    I had a completely different answer in mind when I read the title, but after reading the post it needed to change.

    When I first read the title, my thoughts were; No officer, it is not a weapon. This is for "__________".

    The reason I say that is for a few reasons, It is common for every vehicle to have a tire iron in it. It is a tool, not a weapon, right?
    But then at the same time if a cop ask's you why you have a tire iron in the passenger seat, and you answer that it is for self-defense, you stand a good chance of getting arrested and ticketed for carrying a concealed weapon! (A vehicle is considered concealment in WI, even if the item is in full view laying on the dashboard, screwed-up, isn't it?)

    In your situation, I would also say a large canister of bear spray would be best.
    Have you considered an expandable ASP? they are small enough, they expand quickly, and they have other uses too.
    I keep one in my pick-up truck, when asked what it is for, I explain it is for thumping tires on the truck & trailerto verify proper pressure. I also carry a 3-cell Maglite, those can be used to dissuade an attacker very well too.

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    bohdi wrote:
    Personally I sport a "Victim Free Zone" button on my lapel. That works pretty good :celebrate
    I am shocked that nobody has suggested a loud whistle or a simple cell phone to call the police.

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